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Last edited by Vex; 02-03-2021 at 01:38 AM.
Socionics is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it.
I wonder why socionics is different in that regard? Regardless, I have a couple IEE friends so if someone here wants to type me as that I'll take it as a compliment, because all the IEEs that I know are fun & chill. People on the forum really entertaining themselves talking about me. Hilarious that that's really what people spend their day doing when I wasn't even originally in this convo.
No. I’m showing you that you need to be able to back up arguments about people with evidence in general. Obviously I didn’t question that those posts at one point existed. What I’m questioning is your memory of specific interactions, which are bound to be biased, which you’re basing your opinions on.
Look, I'm not invested in who's "right" in this back and forth that's going here, but this here is grade A hypocrisy on your part.
Each and every time that you've chased me around with your notion of "IEI" being my type, I've challenged you to make a proper argument. Yet, time and time again, you avoid it and you change the subject and act like a complete ass about it, trying to undermine whatever good is going in the topic at hand. You have zero desire for proper argument and instead resort to mudslinging. Effectively trolling. So here you are insisting that others "need to be able to back up arguments about people with evidence."
Bullshit.
I’ve backed it up before lol. Go look in Northstar’s type me thread.
Btw tons of people make random not fully backed up typing statements about others all the time, including myself sometimes. I’m not denying that. The problem to me was that Vex’s type comments had criticisms sandwiched inside.
Wrong. I gave extensive insight into my reasoning for my typings. The same cannot be said about sbbds.
I'm not asking for "sources." LOL The issue is sbbds's hypocrisy in demanding reasoning when she herself consistently avoids the matter when pressed on it.
I gave my reasoning and you were unwilling to engage my actual arguments.
You are deflecting the issue at hand.
@Vex @SnatchYourWeave why y'all have such an interest in me?
Also, @FreelancePoliceman thought I seemed Se valuing in private conversation, so it's not just @sbbds opinion.
Are SLE/SEE's supposed to like drama? I'm not that type of girl regardless of type. It's why I mostly steer clear of women, or at least the type that like to be clique-ish.
But if y'all need something to do, carry on.
What about it is nonsensical? I’ve provided proof when asked for it. I’m certain I’ve asked for proof from others at points before too. Even if I hadn’t, you’re free to explain how that would confer being hypocritical.
Um.. I didn’t go out of my way to look or search, actually. It’s just common sense that they’re going to be there out of 200 posts on this forum.Odd that you're obsessed enough to look for these posts (which I've mentioned multiple times, but you keep passively aggressively ignoring, that she's meticulously deleted to project a certain image), but I can't be bothered to search for any
It’s odd that you’d assume I’d have done that or to describe someone as “meticulously deleting something to project a certain image”. I literally don’t understand where these impressions about her are coming from (hence the 4D Ne typing), which is my motivation for asking you for examples.
You seem to think being asked for concrete proof on a discussion forum is “surreal” and “nonsensical”...You asked for reasoning and I gave it in 2 or so posts. It must have been good, because after that you've been hung up on "evidence" ever since because you know it isn't there, and you've since dragged it out by asking all these nonsensical questions that border on surreal. And now you're trying to pin the mess you made on me. You started the discussion, I responded since I was trying to get clarification. But you bastardized it with all these nonsensical questions.
In any case, I don't think people are "supposed to be convinced" by what I say. I mean, I did put effort into what I wrote, but I'm not treating it like law. It's just my line of thinking regarding Valued 4D Ne and Demo Ne, as someone who is usually typed as EIE. If people don't agree with my typing of her, all is well, but I hope the information I typed up can at least provide some insight into the differences between 4D Ne.
I did think your reasoning was potentially sound, which is exactly why I asked for something concrete to reference it with. Otherwise all I have to go off of is your own (or our own) impressions and memories, which are of course going to be biased.
Okay, so you are upset about making highly specific negative assessments of people based on your memory, and being asked for *some* kind of objective evidence about them. Any at all. You can’t provide it, and yet stay on your high horse and continue to call others passive aggressive and meticulously image-curating, among other things, framing others as being in the wrong.
Not sure what the bolded is getting at but sounds personal and d33p. Interesting IMO to not care about concrete proof/evidence while being Se valuing, although I guess it’s probably as much if not more about Te.
It’s not bull. What’s bull is making specific negative evaluations of people without evidence and trying to pass off as not talking out of your ass, and being uppity about being called out for this in general. This is what I’m talking about, re LMFAO:
^ From the Unofficial Members Pictures thread
I’m glad you could finally directly admit this and cut through the bull.Even now, you're still going on about the damn "evidence" when I've told you there is none on the site that applies to what I said.
You could have found posts of hers currently existing that would have hinted at this behavior though, or at least provided a better argument on why you think she would have “meticulously deleted her posts to create an image”.... these are highly specific assessments which you aren’t backing up at all here. What you are doing is being toxic and passive-aggressive. It doesn’t register to you as something wrong.
Stop, I can only get so aroused from the sheer tension in this thread
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I didn't meticulously erase certain posts. I did want my type me threads gone, because I was done with them & not looking to be typed. I just deleted as many posts as I could, before I stopped to do other things irl. I wanted to mainly be done with the forum & was trying to erase my entire existence on here, for the most part.
imo my ENFP guy friend is way more "metaphorical" than me.. but ok..
This thread got hella derailed. Guess this thread has become my new type me thread, without me making it so. Regardless (however it was intentioned) I don't see being an Ne dom as an insult.
Tbh my interest in socionics doesn't come from a romantic interest standpoint. I also wouldn't be purposely seeking out my dual, like it seems like many people on this forum do. It is an interesting way to analyze the people around me & have a better understanding of someone's thought processes, but I'm not using it as a way to spot & seek out a certain type. It does let me better understand the people I do come into contact with, though. I actually prefer people a lot more similar to myself. I do enjoy watching YouTube videos of dual couples though, just to see what the interaction is like.
And if you idealize anything too much, I don't think it's healthy. Seems like it could lead to disappointment too. I find it more useful to understand why misunderstandings happen between people irl &/or improve upon different functions yourself. Along with other things too, of course. Some dual couples are definitely adorable.
@Vex If by “typo” you are going to be as petty to point out how I wrote “like like” instead of “be like”, you must not mind sharing that it would have been incredibly retarded of you to be unable to figure the meaning out for yourself.
I’m typing from my phone on a 56kbps connection.
Anyway, you have consistently been making posts containing negative comments towards or about SadParty / LMFAO, saying things like “she would try to bend people's argument's against each other without really using structure or logic, more to deflect things and keep herself entertained” and “she's meticulously deleted [posts] to project a certain image”. That you deny them as being negative or critical doesn’t change the fact that they are being seen as such by others. You don’t seem to have any proof to back up your opinions. You’re free to your own opinions, but to constantly keep bringing them up with negative comments in unrelated threads could be construed as bullying.
You can’t even give any reference as to why you think negatively about someone, and on top of that, it was your *only* reason for typing her Ne leading that you gave. So of course providing evidence for that if asked is relevant in a type argument. If you are unable to provide it, that’s your bad, not mine.
You were the first one to offer criticisms. I obviously didn’t ask for them, so I’m not sure why you’d try framing me for those, and yourself, the criticizer, as having clean hands here. Oh wait, because you’re toxic and gross, I remember.
No u.
I asked for your thoughts. I was genuinely curious. That’s not asking for negative opinions though.
If you give negative opinions related to type, you should be able to back them up, period. Not be dismissive and show no remorse for it.
Otherwise, it’s easy to use type as an excuse to make shitty judgments of others.
I’m glad you’re trying harder to make friends now though. Hopefully it’s genuine this time.
So someone who wants to play with everyone with their own rules is Fi creative. This seems like fractured viewpoint already. So I fail to see why they would like lead masses in first place as their own goal.
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Dude, you can’t fake cognition. I’ve seen plenty of your posts and you don’t make any attempts at theory analysis which is a big part of Ti but frame your arguments based your personal impressions and relationship to others which is Fi. SLE have PoLR Fi and don’t use Fi to frame nor justify their reasoning. You typed LMFAO based off of relating to her, which is an Fi thing. That’s called card stacking. You vaguely said you’ve been on this forum for 10 years and no one has typed you an NF, implying that the silence of laypersons not contesting your SLE typing is “proof” of your claim. That’s a logical fallacy, argumentum ex silentio. I know I cornered you when I brought up your weird over-investment in defending LMFAO’s Se typing as a telltale you’re defending your typing. I know you were trying to cover your tracks because you made strong claims you relate to her and she must be your type. Then you attempt to shift the burden of proof to anyone who challenges LMAFO as an Se type. You shifted the burden of proof to me that somehow it’s my job to disprove you’re SLE when there’s no evidence that you are SLE to begin with. That’s two more annoying logical fallacy you’ve made, including argument from ignorance.
I know I’ve frustrated you when you started your appeal to hypocrisy by making the snide comment about my tattoos in relation to my typing. I know you were implying that I’m doing the same thing as you and that I’ve self-type myself as SLE and catered my image to fit the “badass” stereotype. That made me laugh at your desperate attempt at grasping straws by deflecting. Unlike most people on this forum, I’ve already been professionally typed. I was typed at the start of this year by WSS. Sol asked me to post a typing video and I posted the link to it. So no, SLE isn’t my self-typing, it’s really my type from an objective, reputable socionist. You can look for it and see if my upper body tattoos were there or not. Since you deal better with speculative info rather than direct, HINT: the last time I was tattooed was 4 years ago and it wasn’t on anywhere visible. I first got exposed to Socionics 10 months ago. Do the math.
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Good on you for getting professionally typed. I've been typed as Se valuing on both typologycentral & personalitycafe, so obviously someone sees it in me (doesn't mean they're 100% right, but why should your opinion hold more weight than their's?). Your interest in us is just weird. Especially since I've never interacted with you on the forum, but you've took it upon yourself to look so heavily into me.
Last edited by SlytherinPower; 09-28-2020 at 12:17 PM.
I just saw this. This is not what I said. Multiple parts of this are wrong.
I said that I’ve been in the typology community for more than 10 years. That includes other forums. I haven’t been on this forum alone for that long.
Second, I never said that nobody had ever typed me NF. I said that I’ve never been typed INF.
I’ve stated many times before on this forum that I’ve been typed ENFx types before, including self-typing.
The only person to type me INF (IEI) is Sol, but he types more than half the people on this forum beta NF anyway so he doesn’t really count.
Reyne told me I deserved punching in the face out of nowhere. And then you tried to say something to nanashi like “ooh you wouldn’t believe what sb did to try to provoke him” or some bullcrap like that. Use your Fi HA lol, use your fucking head. You don’t treat people, especially friends like that lol. Delusional.
I don’t mind silke even typically. That was the one time we had a fight. Silke is right, you’re just being a toxic douchebag when you’re like this.
I was talking to him in a single thread, not two. “Provoking” is your opinion. Do you think there is any point in continuing to provoke *me* if I obviously disagree, retard?
In fact I don’t care if Reyne were to talk to me again if he acted normal. Everybody has off days. Except for you. You are constantly on your turd game. And I don’t think you are in the right place to talk shit about silke or shotgunfingers, both of whom I don’t have a problem with personally even if we’ve had our moments (they may feel differently but those are my feelings).
I count this all as one event. I’ve known her for a while, you clueless noob.You had fought with silke multiple times, going on long tirades of insults. They typed you SEI, you typed them SLI, you went on long, pointless 'your vagina stinks' and 'no, but yours'. You going on 'I don't mind typically' just proves this point.
FYI, I don't really change my likes/dislikes that easily and I still think silke is 'toxic' as hell (if you can talk like this about people, but well, silke can). And it's so obvious for me since seeing their behavior first time. But now I can sadly see - I hope I'm wrong, but I see this - that you are worth of one another. Have some dignity.
Look, I don’t care what type you are or what LMFAO is or what anyone’s type is. I didn’t want to say anything from the beginning because I could tell you both would deflect, obfuscate, and play victim if direct honesty and structure is demanded. And sure enough this is the mess. I get it, this forum consists almost wholly of hobbyists so there’s a lot of stereotypical info being passed around. Attacking Vex wasn’t cool either, especially since she sincerely took a lot of time to explain her reasoning based in cognitive theory which you both purposely buck and dismiss.
Online typology forums is rifled with mistypes. My main source of frustration stems from the fact that most people don’t understand the purpose behind typology, let alone how to honestly self-type. The general reasoning for cognitive typology is actually simple- to explore your mind and understand yourself. This is merely a tool for self-improvement but the reality of typology is extremely brutal. It’s meant to strip away your defenses and expose your weaknesses, because problems arise for the individual due to their weaknesses, not from strengths. The layperson almost always uses typology (of any sort) to coddle and validate their fixations of delusions rather than work on throwing away their delusions. The utility of typology ends up being abused and mishandled as a security blanket. So then I ask, what’s the point? Why bother learning bits and pieces of theory just to morph it to bolster your ego if you want to be any type of your choosing? That’s dishonest and illogical. You can lie to yourself but don’t pass off your lies to others.
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