Do ESFps have ANY redeeming qualities?!

[voider]

well many SEEs constantly lie about many small things to idk, "look better" or such. If you observe them for a while it's clear and definitely not something that inspires trust. They may even straight out lie to your face and if you call them out they will try to talk badly about you among common acquaintances. It's pretty standard behavior for them.

Damn all of you have such a dim fucking view of SEEs. But it's probably true, except I'm not a normie SEE considering I'm on this forum, so I can't really relate to it. I relate to the more innocent version of that which is white lies to make the other person feel better, though.

[FDG]

Damn all of you have such a dim fucking view of SEEs. But it's probably true, except I'm not a normie SEE considering I'm on this forum, so I can't really relate to it. I relate to the more innocent version of that which is white lies to make the other person feel better, though.

I didn't say all SEEs...one of my closest friends now is a SEE guy and he still constantly lies or covers up the truth about a load of small things, I don't fully understand his behavior, i prefer people to know where I stand so they can adjust, but anyway it's never over the top. Another SEE E3 I work with - she can really completely lie in your face and you have to show her an e-mail or something written where she wrote the opposite of what she is saying. She's still quite well-liked and can work very hard and has many positive qualities...

[calm]

I didn't say all SEEs...one of my closest friends now is a SEE guy and he still constantly lies or covers up the truth about a load of small things, I don't fully understand his behavior, i prefer people to know where I stand so they can adjust, but anyway it's never over the top. Another SEE E3 I work with - she can really completely lie in your face and you have to show her an e-mail or something written where she wrote the opposite of what she is saying. She's still quite well-liked and can work very hard and has many positive qualities...

Lying is like breathing air to them. I’ve never met one who could tell the truth. They’d probably explode.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Damn all of you have such a dim fucking view of SEEs. But it's probably true, except I'm not a normie SEE considering I'm on this forum, so I can't really relate to it. I relate to the more innocent version of that which is white lies to make the other person feel better, though.

I usually like SEEs, personally. But types with stronger personalities ruffle a lot of feathers, and so people complain about them more -- ESEs are the Alpha equivalent. You shouldn't take it personally.

[voider]

I usually like SEEs, personally. But types with stronger personalities ruffle a lot of feathers, and so people complain about them more -- ESEs are the Alpha equivalent. You shouldn't take it personally.

Taking things personally is what I do best! I actually commented on this in my questionnaire, lmfao. There's rarely such a thing as objective judgement from my end, and I'll be the first to admit it. In the end, I'm not really willing to discuss these things in a vacuum in which I am removed from The Type, as this thread is not based on an objective viewpoint either. On some level many people experience identification with what type they've chosen for themselves, and I do too. So why shouldn't I defend my subjective perception from this person's subjective attacks?

I realize it's a waste of time and energy. Still, it made me angry, and responding was the only way to let out that anger. Saying I shouldn't take things personally is not something that will ever be constructive, at least not to me -- my parents have tried very hard to convince me to stop, as if it's a matter I have much choice in. I don't. Not yet, at least. We'll see in 10 years.

ETA: I still reacted with constructive on your post because it's constructive to point it out, but I really can't do anything with that information, is what I meant to say.

[Aster]

Taking things personally is what I do best! I actually commented on this in my questionnaire, lmfao. There's rarely such a thing as objective judgement from my end, and I'll be the first to admit it. In the end, I'm not really willing to discuss these things in a vacuum in which I am removed from The Type, as this thread is not based on an objective viewpoint either. On some level many people experience identification with what type they've chosen for themselves, and I do too. So why shouldn't I defend my subjective perception from this person's subjective attacks?

I realize it's a waste of time and energy. Still, it made me angry, and responding was the only way to let out that anger. Saying I shouldn't take things personally is not something that will ever be constructive, at least not to me -- my parents have tried very hard to convince me to stop, as if it's a matter I have much choice in. I don't. Not yet, at least. We'll see in 10 years.

ETA: I still reacted with constructive on your post because it's constructive to point it out, but I really can't do anything with that information, is what I meant to say.

well I don’t think you seem like a liar... never thought oh that voider must be a liar because she’s SEE lol. you seem pretty honest and chill to me imo

[FreelancePoliceman]

Taking things personally is what I do best! I actually commented on this in my questionnaire, lmfao. There's rarely such a thing as objective judgement from my end, and I'll be the first to admit it. In the end, I'm not really willing to discuss these things in a vacuum in which I am removed from The Type, as this thread is not based on an objective viewpoint either. On some level many people experience identification with what type they've chosen for themselves, and I do too. So why shouldn't I defend my subjective perception from this person's subjective attacks?

I realize it's a waste of time and energy. Still, it made me angry, and responding was the only way to let out that anger. Saying I shouldn't take things personally is not something that will ever be constructive, at least not to me -- my parents have tried very hard to convince me to stop, as if it's a matter I have much choice in. I don't. Not yet, at least. We'll see in 10 years.

ETA: I still reacted with constructive on your post because it's constructive to point it out, but I really can't do anything with that information, is what I meant to say.

I'm sorry for the bad advice then. Hm. Being deceitful isn't necessarily bad in itself, and anger is motivating -- it gets stuff done. There are plenty of SEEs I admire who've put their strengths to good use.

[calm]

Damn all of you have such a dim fucking view of SEEs. But it's probably true, except I'm not a normie SEE considering I'm on this forum, so I can't really relate to it. I relate to the more innocent version of that which is white lies to make the other person feel better, though.

Leave it to a SEE to try to justify deceit.