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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    I'm not sure I agree that polarization happens best if people are free to air their views. Something else might happen instead: discussion. (Free) discussion and debate in my opinion decrease extremist views because people feel like they can say what they think and they can work out their views in discourse (which really is part of building views, people learn from conversations and even from debates). If the climate is too dangerous for people to speak, that's when internal anger builds that has little outlet until of course someone like Trump comes along to encourage the unleashing of that rage, which he can play like a snake charmer.

    I'm not sure how much you need. For instance would you agree already from the content of his Tweets and what he says in his rallies (which btw are ONLY for his supporters and not all Americans) is decisive by drawing on people's fear, anger and hatred, and calling out enemies to hatefully chant against whether they are immigrants or muslims or the libs in general or whichever group he wishes to declare the enemy today. The energy that gets fired up is hateful against other people in the same nation.

    Then there are the violent outcomes of Trump's rhetoric. This article has a list of some examples: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/...ry?id=58912889

    What will be the reaction from the left to this kind of thing? Will they possibly become increasingly less "woke" in response to an increasingly violent right wing that is actually now easy to link directly to racism and hate crimes? Of course not. This will tell the left it needs to double down hard, it needs to become more extreme to fight the extremism. It needs to burn cities and destroy things if need be. It needs to make sure no one is allowed in its society who displays any view that does not meet a standard of moral purity. It needs to grow its dogma to become strong.

    And when it does, Trump likely rejoices, because then he can tell his followers, "see how extreme the left is" and basically paint them as enemies in a holy war. And they will agree with him when he starts turning Homeland Security into the secret police, able to detain people whenever they want. Naturally like both sides blind in the political divide they don't see how that threatens their freedom as well were a left-wing extremist to get into office (how now the set up is already there for them to do one of the worst things in nations ruled by dictators--make people disappear because of their political views). Likewise, the political left doesn't see how their interest in increasing censorship creates pathways to censor their own side for extremism. If the social media giants increasingly censor political speech they can also censor eventually progressives rising in politics who rely heavily on social media to promote themselves. It gives the social media giants too much power over politics. But naturally no one notices the threat as long as it's only working against the other side.

    Trump didn't start all the division, but he used it to win an election and he'll use it again. The closer we get to Nov. the more he seems to focus on the culture war. And surely I am not the only one who noticed how after Trump's election extremism in the US seems to be at an all time high. Who is fanning those flames in every speech and tweet? Could it be the leader of the nation?

    PS. Trump on cancel culture: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/p...ngs/index.html

    Some of these examples are about boycotting corporations, however that's kind of part of this too. Corporations are reacting to the political division just as everything is. It affects who they hire, who they fire, what they say and promote, where they put their money, what their culture initiatives are, etc. And that affects all of us, it affects what we can say and do without economic penalty.

    Also many examples are just about if someone said something that he personally doesn't like, because he is a mini-dictator with fragile ego.

    But basically he plays the same game as the left while saying he's against the game. His side won't notice how this is pervasive on their side as well, and of course they can always just see it as necessary: you have to control these left wing extremists so they can't take over (you have to control people).

    CNN btw as far as I know has never really called out cancel culture on the left. It's left-leaning and blind to its own side's failings.

    This vid does a nice summary theory of how Trump plays. He's good at division. He knows how to play division in his favor:

    https://youtu.be/AkYnMDKVwoY

    Like he doesn't say divisive things for nothing. Every time he's doing it he's doing it on purpose for his own ends.

    If Trump were against the division because it threatens the integrity of the entire nation he would attempt to unify the entire nation. Can you really say a president who has declared the other half of the political spectrum (the entire left-leaning half of the nation, over 100 million people) the enemy, does not wish for division, strife and chaos? The very simple fact that his rallies are only for Republicans, that Republicans are the ONLY Americans he represents, says a great deal all on its own.
    I guess that’s all true. Then again, he still does have to lead the whole nation afterwards, including the left. He has to do it somehow, as it’s his job. And even though it’s difficult it’s technically not impossible to create compromises between opposite poles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I guess that’s all true. Then again, he still does have to lead the whole nation afterwards, including the left. He has to do it somehow, as it’s his job. And even though it’s difficult it’s technically not impossible to create compromises between opposite poles.
    I think he's found that he doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to, because the normal checks and balances aren't working on the head of the executive branch anymore. The GOP has decided to allow Trump to act without checking him at all because he seems to be helping them win. You're saying he has to do XYZ because that's his job, but I don't think he cares at all really.. He has learned from experience that impeachment can't touch him, and other than voting, there's no other way to remove him. In a society that's really based on rule of law, the people who are on your side are still bound by the rules that bind the people you don't like. The GOP has pretty much caved to Trump completely. During the primaries for 2016, so many of them came out and blatantly called him what he was, a narcissist. But since the win in 2016, anything he says goes. The GOP decided to not even have a platform this year and to just bow to Trump completely. That last point is really abnormal.

    The fuck's going on? It's like we are heading in the direction of mass psychosis.

    I know a lot of people don't like Noam Chomsky because he is pretty far to the left and an academic intellectual type, but he made the point that Trump is worse than H!tler. https://youtu.be/X6mAf_uPy-o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I think he's found that he doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to, because the normal checks and balances aren't working on the head of the executive branch anymore. The GOP has decided to allow Trump to act without checking him at all because he seems to be helping them win. You're saying he has to do XYZ because that's his job, but I don't think he cares at all really.. He has learned from experience that impeachment can't touch him, and other than voting, there's no other way to remove him. In a society that's really based on rule of law, the people who are on your side are still bound by the rules that bind the people you don't like. The GOP has pretty much caved to Trump completely. During the primaries for 2016, so many of them came out and blatantly called him what he was, a narcissist. But since the win in 2016, anything he says goes. The GOP decided to not even have a platform this year and to just bow to Trump completely. That last point is really abnormal.

    The fuck's going on? It's like we are heading in the direction of mass psychosis.

    I know a lot of people don't like Noam Chomsky because he is pretty far to the left and an academic intellectual type, but he made the point that Trump is worse than H!tler. https://youtu.be/X6mAf_uPy-o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I think he's found that he doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to, because the normal checks and balances aren't working on the head of the executive branch anymore. The GOP has decided to allow Trump to act without checking him at all because he seems to be helping them win. You're saying he has to do XYZ because that's his job, but I don't think he cares at all really.. He has learned from experience that impeachment can't touch him, and other than voting, there's no other way to remove him. In a society that's really based on rule of law, the people who are on your side are still bound by the rules that bind the people you don't like. The GOP has pretty much caved to Trump completely. During the primaries for 2016, so many of them came out and blatantly called him what he was, a narcissist. But since the win in 2016, anything he says goes. The GOP decided to not even have a platform this year and to just bow to Trump completely. That last point is really abnormal.

    The fuck's going on? It's like we are heading in the direction of mass psychosis.

    I know a lot of people don't like Noam Chomsky because he is pretty far to the left and an academic intellectual type, but he made the point that Trump is worse than H!tler. https://youtu.be/X6mAf_uPy-o
    If Chomsky actually thought that he should be encouraging armed revolt against the US government, not encouraging people to vote every four years for a guy who will probably be slightly less bad in some regards.

    But as I recall he doesn’t like guns either. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    I think he's found that he doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't want to, because the normal checks and balances aren't working on the head of the executive branch anymore. The GOP has decided to allow Trump to act without checking him at all because he seems to be helping them win. You're saying he has to do XYZ because that's his job, but I don't think he cares at all really.. He has learned from experience that impeachment can't touch him, and other than voting, there's no other way to remove him. In a society that's really based on rule of law, the people who are on your side are still bound by the rules that bind the people you don't like. The GOP has pretty much caved to Trump completely. During the primaries for 2016, so many of them came out and blatantly called him what he was, a narcissist. But since the win in 2016, anything he says goes. The GOP decided to not even have a platform this year and to just bow to Trump completely. That last point is really abnormal.

    The fuck's going on? It's like we are heading in the direction of mass psychosis.

    I know a lot of people don't like Noam Chomsky because he is pretty far to the left and an academic intellectual type, but he made the point that Trump is worse than H!tler. https://youtu.be/X6mAf_uPy-o
    Being a narcissist and being able to get his way is another point towards what I mean by him being more able than others to fix things when all hell breaks loose. Being a narcissist means that he’ll do it for his ego too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Being a narcissist and being able to get his way is another point towards what I mean by him being more able than others to fix things when all hell breaks loose. Being a narcissist means that he’ll do it for his ego too.
    He hasn't fixed anything yet. Hard to believe he's going to fix anything in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    He hasn't fixed anything yet. Hard to believe he's going to fix anything in the future.
    Do you believe that you expressed a well-informed opinion?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Being a narcissist and being able to get his way is another point towards what I mean by him being more able than others to fix things when all hell breaks loose. Being a narcissist means that he’ll do it for his ego too.
    granted i have no psychological expertise but this isn't really how narcissism often works that i understand. often it's about maintaining an image and selling people on it, not about actually doing the stuff that would warrant the image (it's part of the grandiose delusions of the disorder). so even though the US is doing really badly with covid for instance, Trump often says we're doing great and may say we're somehow ahead of other nations, that we've addressed covid better. or even though he didn't build much at the border, he may still continue to proclaim things like the wall is built or it will be the greatest wall or whatever. these things he says are grandiose hyperbole. i feel like he can fix things about as well as a cult leader can.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...g-fail-deliver (this article doesn't support its title well)

    https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psych...future-faking/

    basically narcissists deliver empty promises. it's what happens in a personal relationship with one. but this is an entire nation in a relationship with one.

    the only thing i have an issue with in my saying this is the labeling which i feel isn't wise, but i'm not wise enough to do better. and it's not like someone like bill clinton didn't have strong narcissistic tendencies. it takes a big ego in many cases to be a world leader.

    Trump's opponent Hair Fetish may also have narcissistic tendencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    granted i have no psychological expertise but this isn't really how narcissism often works that i understand. often it's about maintaining an image and selling people on it, not about actually doing the stuff that would warrant the image (it's part of the grandiose delusions of the disorder). so even though the US is doing really badly with covid for instance, Trump often says we're doing great and may say we're somehow ahead of other nations, that we've addressed covid better. or even though he didn't build much at the border, he may still continue to proclaim things like the wall is built or it will be the greatest wall or whatever. these things he says are grandiose hyperbole. i feel like he can fix things about as well as a cult leader can.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...g-fail-deliver (this article doesn't support its title well)

    https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psych...future-faking/

    basically narcissists deliver empty promises. it's what happens in a personal relationship with one. but this is an entire nation in a relationship with one.

    the only thing i have an issue with in my saying this is the labeling which i feel isn't wise, but i'm not wise enough to do better. and it's not like someone like bill clinton didn't have strong narcissistic tendencies. it takes a big ego in many cases to be a world leader.

    Trump's opponent Hair Fetish may also have narcissistic tendencies.
    I remember reading an article by a leading PTSD researcher who described the relationship of America with Trump to be similar to a narcissistic abuse relationship. Like he's basically giving the country PTSD. I don't have the link atm though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    He hasn't fixed anything yet. Hard to believe he's going to fix anything in the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    granted i have no psychological expertise but this isn't really how narcissism often works that i understand. often it's about maintaining an image and selling people on it, not about actually doing the stuff that would warrant the image (it's part of the grandiose delusions of the disorder). so even though the US is doing really badly with covid for instance, Trump often says we're doing great and may say we're somehow ahead of other nations, that we've addressed covid better. or even though he didn't build much at the border, he may still continue to proclaim things like the wall is built or it will be the greatest wall or whatever. these things he says are grandiose hyperbole. i feel like he can fix things about as well as a cult leader can.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...g-fail-deliver (this article doesn't support its title well)

    https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psych...future-faking/

    basically narcissists deliver empty promises. it's what happens in a personal relationship with one. but this is an entire nation in a relationship with one.

    the only thing i have an issue with in my saying this is the labeling which i feel isn't wise, but i'm not wise enough to do better. and it's not like someone like bill clinton didn't have strong narcissistic tendencies. it takes a big ego in many cases to be a world leader.

    Trump's opponent Hair Fetish may also have narcissistic tendencies.
    Idk I type Trump SLE in part because I feel like I can relate to his line of thinking (if there’s a decent human being somewhere deep inside him, instead of him being corrupt through and through). If I were made president and wanted to make an unexpected positive impact, then I’d have to create enough of a track record of destruction behind me to make people have certain expectations of me and let me “in” first, like a spy.

    Also there aren’t really any viable alternatives to him right now lol. This is why I’ve typed y’all as gamma introverts, wallowing in gloom and doom even when nothing is gonna change.

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