finally, here we go.. saving this here for later viewing.
The holy LSI thread aka IEE vs EIE video
- LSI-H™ - Melancholic - 6w5-8-4 So/Sx - MBTI ISTP - Guardian Inspector ISTJ -
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
You are Ne-base, so the intention is there, but we all know it is never going to materialize.Originally Posted by shotgunfingers
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
I'm whatever Gulenko says I am.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
Each person is entitled to choose their own God (and live with the consequences).
Besides. Gulenko is LII, what the fuck does he know about people?
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
:> wtf do random nobodies lurking on a forum know about people?
He typed me LSI for good reasons, I agree with his reasoning. That is all it needs to be.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
I an fact do know a lot about people. Unlike Gulenko's, my understanding of Socionics is not cut off from understanding mainstream psychology, sociology, social psychology and cultural anthropology. I am, by all definitions, not a nobody. You, on the other hand, just arrived here. And you will not be around long, not even long enough to build a proper understranding of Socionics.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Nice threat. No credentials. No experience to speak of. Words.
If that's the kind of place this is, then I'll be better off and thankful for it.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
This is a good video
I look forward to reading your take aways
"I take back like half of the exclamation points.....they make me look....eager to please. Which I AM....but I don't want anyone to KNOW that"
- Carrie Fisher
You say that as if you’re a people rather than a random nobody.
I'm a random nobody here as well. I suck at typing others so I won't even try.
Imo the above video is a good way to distinguish EIE from IEE and so it is useful to me as an LSI as well as for other ppl who are interested in seeing which one they relate to more in case they are one of those types.
e_e it seems tho that some ppl aren't taking my typing by G. as LSI well. Regardless I give authorities more weight, it makes sense to, considering his experience and knowledge of the subject. If you don't like it, leave me to my foolishness. If this shit continues, I will blacklist each and every one of you one by one.
I have made myself clear. Last warning.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
Lol @ trying to act as if more aggressive because of new LSI typing.
Thats one.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
One what?
One Se-less warning? Lol
Shotgun, you did exactly the same when you tried with typing ILI again and 'showing that Fi valuation'.Just with what you perceive(d) as Fi.
I have been here for fourteen years, I can't help it that you only just arrived and haven't had the time yet to stumble into many of my recent posts here, or my blog, which imho is full of original insights. Your ignorance does not say anything at all about me, or my competence as a Socionist.
Your posts on this forum show a very typical pattern of an Fe-mobilizing person, those who have been here long enough have seen people like you many times before, so we already know were this is going.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Two.Shotgun, you did exactly the same when you tried with typing ILI again and 'showing that Fi valuation'.
Three.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
Whatever you say, you are still an Fe-Mobilizing attention seeking ILE like we have seen here so many timesnbefore. And like those, you too have a problem accepting who you really are. This is why you paid Gulenko money: not to really get to know your type, but to not have to accept the way you are. Trust me, it is hard to come to terms with who you are, but once you have done it, you will no longer have a reason to hate yourself, and all the reasons to love yourself and put yourself out there in the world.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
jeez why do people take it so seriously when someone types as something different than what they typed them?
It's not a personal attack on you that they don't agree with you and it's not any stress to you if they are mistyped. Just leave them to it
"I take back like half of the exclamation points.....they make me look....eager to please. Which I AM....but I don't want anyone to KNOW that"
- Carrie Fisher
Perhaps you could link some of your stuff? 14 years is a lot, and I really want to see your writing.
I could try and convince them or just continuously rebut their assertions with logic, but its unclear to me if its genuine concern, personal amusement trying to confuse ppl or just ego related.
The reason I payed for a professional typing session was partly to settle the question and partly to finally have an answer and not waste time doubting & searching. From my perspective this is case closed.
I'm not interested in their subjective opinions, which only distract and annoy, so I blocked them.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
Well he called the people on this forum “random nobodies” while referring to himself as “people” lol.
I don’t take it personally but if he’s acting like a dumbass and being rude too then I see no reason not to tease him for it.
I mean you could, if you had 4D Ti that is.
I wouldn't know how to link to posts on this forum (which is why I started a blog), but here's my blog:
https://mavericksocionics.blogspot.com/
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Pay no attention to these people.
Half of them have a certain idea of their quadra or of the sociotype from experience with people to whom they assign types by observing certain behaviors that they believe are characteristics the said sociotype or through IR (the case of the man with the bear avatar I guess) and they reject what a professional with twenty years of professional experience in the field has to say simply because of that. Some of them may not like the way you see the world and cannot accept that you are a sociotype with whom they would get along, I don't know.
I imagine you have gone through what I am going through now, reading descriptions and not being able to relate them to yourself, it's understandable because on the one hand the descriptions of IM are extremely vague (some behaviors or though patterns can be viewed from the lenses of different IM for example) and on the other hand the descriptions of the sociotypes are too specific at times, causing there to be details that do not fit, or details from whole different sociotypes fitting like a glove. I still have to read the description of the LSI-H to be able to know if this specific sociotype is aggressive, but from what I myself have investigated about LSI-Ti (Which would be LSI-N in Gulenko's subtype model) it is not that aggressive, and an LSI-Si subtype might not behave aggressively considering the descriptions of what a harmonizing subtype is (seeking harmony, lacking some negative characteristics of the original type, etc).
I am not the kind of person who respects or assigns traits to individuals based on their academic titles, but Gulenko has an inmense amount of experience in the field and is a prominent figure in socionics, while the ones opposing your typing are people lurking on an internet forum. It's not like you want to be an LSI and they are opposing it, it's that someone they have been praising and quoting has assigned a sociotype they like to someone who's not following the modern collective ethos, and that makes them mad.
Last edited by Frddy; 09-02-2020 at 03:45 PM.
Also. For anyone reading this, SGF has changed his mind back and forth a million times on whether he “gets along with me or not” lol. Sometimes he’s referred to me as “one of his favorite people on the forum”, etc.
It’a always something really extreme. Part of why Fi polr seems so reasonable for him.
Why does it even matter so much? You made up your mind. People see different facets. The Socionics typing is just one piece of information.
Could be, I oppose the modern collective ethos, so yeah..
Btw, you considered EIE and IEI as types no? Maybe the above video will be useful in some way. I recommend it.
Yeah, you are right, but I need my perspective or worldview, in which I'm included.. to make sense and to be reliable.. <.< because I act/navigate according to it's logic. So for me this information is important.
The way is dark, the road is lost, my eyes they strain to see
I struggle forth to find a friend to light the way for me
Oh brothers can you hear my voice or am I all alone
If there’s no fire to guide my way, then I will start my own!
>.> <.< Because I’m LSI.. >.> <.< amirite guys? >.> <.< Do I look/sound LSI enough to you yet? >.> <.<
I considered those types simply because I posted a video for diagnosis, and a questionnaire in another forum, both responses agreed on Beta NF, although I'm not sure of it, mainly because of the social aspect (I have problems in that area). About the IEE typing, I haven't considered it mainly because I tend to be demanding with others regarding consistency (For example, imagine someone tells me a personal story and then changes the details of it if I ask him a month later, it gives me a little bit of mistrust) and also because I daily interact with someone tested as LSE, and it doesn't seem like a synergetic relationship (although we get along).
I'm thinking about doing the Gulenko's diagnosis when I get more money to have a definite type.
Last edited by Frddy; 09-02-2020 at 04:35 PM.
I honestly can't believe he doesn't see it and I have to (I had to) point it out again and again each time. Like, whaaaat. Regardless of his type (let's assume it's LSI), being so easily swayed and suggestive to external influence (it's not even evidence) is a no-no.
It’s because you’re beneficiary/benefactor types Duschia. Get with the program.
We should talk IRL so I could show you my magickal Ni powers shotgun lacks.
i gotcha. So it could mean you aren't a one-dimensional LSI. And isn't Hungarian culture known to be more easy-going and somewhat playful?
People are picking up on your randomness/playfulness/sociability/vacillative nature and trying to reconcile that with the new LSI typing. But at the same time, there is no need to explain yourself. Not all the discrepancies has to be or can be explained by typing.
... Ok tbh though you too before have spent time arguing with me on how your friends say you have “no Ni to speak of”...We should talk IRL so I could show you my magickal Ni powers shotgun lacks.
No offense bro I still like you but just saying.
The frequent use of emojis and similar devices such as reaction images, different fonts etc. does remind me of another LSI here, namely @onfireee
Both are inflammatory posters who seek similar-minded people. Being on the C/H axis combined with the social orientation of LSI it isn't all that surprising.
The more stereotypical and drier LSI (D/N sub) strikes me as a type that wouldn't even register on these forums in the first place, especially the N type. I know a couple of those types in real life, and forums like these hold zero interest for them.
I was wrong. Those 'friends' turned out to not be exactly friends* (long story), and specifically the girl who typed me LSE is probably my supervision (given her continuous need to criticize and bother me, noted not only by me). The 'lack of Ni' for her is 'lack of interest in Ti theories that are mixed with artistry and Fefefefefe Beta Missionism(tm)', because for her whatever Ni I have is not similar or good enough. Another girl with some knowledge in socionics (most probably ESE) typed me SLI and herself as my supposed dual. I also remember someone (beta NF) typing me ISTP in MBTI. All of those typings are notably from Fe/Ti valuers, which I feel don't really... Understand, sorry. Mostly they don't.
We all know shit. What I know is that I've gotten a lot of VI feedback suggesting Fe PoLR and Ip from various sources. Heck, I've even done a silly experiment: I gave my close friends (with no knowledge of socionics - but also no bias) Filatova plates of Te types, all they could point out as 'similarly vibing on average' was ILI and SLI. Using videos - same.
I've done some analysis on how much I agree with various descs of types and XLI comes higher than LXE.
It also means I had (I still have) to accept I'm not as I would like to be (Ej and more Se). That my PoLR probably lies in Fe, not Si or Ni. But I'm not an easy cookie, that's for sure.
I still don't think I jump types like shotgun tho.
*tbf I said friends, but we were more like colleagues, it's just the language barrier here
**I also think I did that because 'wtf I'm not IEI' and yeah, I'm not IEI; I even told ya that if you typed me ILI we could talk
It's not about emojis bro, it's how shotgun changes his behavior based on his (current) typing. To fit 'the image' more.
Just like almost everyone here, you and his duals included.
@Duschia: are you a Te subtype? I am your supervisor. Haha
I am confident in EIE-Ni (C) typing now. Even though I get along with ILIs, I realized I usually come from a place of counsel more than anything else.
I am technically close to a SLI but I realized that there was always some sort of disconnect and his self-focus inadvertently offends me.
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