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    how much do you guys relate to the below description? (I fully relate to this wtf)

    Gamma: Integrity-Seeking and World-Rejecting. Includes ESI, SEE, LIE and ILI. Thought to have a “mature” mentality. Combines harsh judgment with strategic thinking. This means that Gammas prefer to remain independent from the controls and influences of other people, striving to fulfil their own ambitions as a matter of personal achievement. They prefer to look at facts in the long term, doing what is prudent for their future and sacrificing daily concerns for what will be best later on. Socialising is a pragmatic means of meeting people who can be trusted and form meaningful relations with. New people are quickly judged, with a strong emphasis on individuals being essentially good and trustworthy. More pragmatic, working relations can be formed, although scumbags will be rejected with vitriol. People are thus treated as individuals who could either be allies or enemies, depending on their set, inner nature. Gammas will tend to consider their own opinions towards issues carefully and when necessary, will prefer people to speak their mind harshly and disagree rather than try to stay friendly. They can be extreme in their attitudes towards other people, forming long-lasting grudges against those they deem 'evil'. To envision a Gamma setting, think of a business meeting or else the lone entrepreneur, trying to solidify a profitable future.
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    Yes, pretty much agree with this.
    Also good people are good people and treated as such in this quadra, gammas usually don't just hate their enemies they also love their friends, loyalty is in high regard even though because of the subjective Nature of Fi- i have yet to see a (permanent) quarrel between gammas where not both sides tend to feel betrayed in one way or another.
    Maybe this could be why gamma is so lonely, harsh jugdement with who is worth your time while every gamma has a a somewhat differing vision of what is the right standard of behavior.

    A bit of topic: Gammas seem very rare to me too, i don't really meet that many of them tbh, it's a pity.

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    was gonna ask where you found it, but the google gods proved helpful after the obligatory virgin sacrifice

    https://www.worldsocionics.com/wiki/Quadras

    • Alpha: World-Accepting and Clarity-Seeking. Includes LII, ILE, ESE and SEI. Thought to have a “childlike” mentality. Combines intellectual play with joyful hedonism. This means that Alphas tend to prefer relaxed, aesthetic environments where emotions are expressed in the group with jokes and laughter. At the same time, they enjoy stimulating, fun conversation about theories and philosophy, where innovative, logical thought is prioritised. These groups are often open with people being invited to join in with the fun and offer an interesting or tangential opinion on the subject. Unpleasant, negative conversation is avoided with the group preferring things to remain light-hearted and in good humour so that the mood is not spoiled by personal qualms. Instead, criticisms are often softened to be in good humour for everyone to laugh with. Alphas want to devise an understanding of the world where everything fits together perfectly, a sort of 'grand theory' that is both all-encompassing as well as beautifully elegant. To envision an Alpha setting, think of a birthday party or philosophers having a drink down at the pub.



    • Beta: World-Rejecting and Clarity-Seeking. Includes LSI, SLE, EIE and IEI. Thought to have a “youthful” mentality. Combines assertive hierarchy with romanticised destiny. This means that Betas prefer environments where the group is united by expressed common values, working towards a long term goal. Those against the group's values may be treated as a common foe. Raucous, loud stories are often told by those in charge with group participation expected while people adhere to a set pecking order. There is often an aura of competitiveness in these groups, with pushing and shoving to reach the top. Despite this sense of competition, acceptance to the group is given on principle with newcomers being warmly welcomed. However, this welcoming air can turn icy someone be perceived to act against the group. Sometimes the emotionality in the group can become rather intense and heated and when there is a dispute, people owe it to the group to be straight and open with how they feel, laying the issue out on the table and even fighting it out if needed until the drama dissipates. Betas wish to understand their world with certainty and may commit to an ideological way of viewing the world which grants purpose and meaning, seeing other ideologies as obstacles to be removed. Those who embrace the same ideology are seen as belonging and are treated as brethren. To envision a Beta setting, think of a political party or intense clubbing night.



    • Gamma: Integrity-Seeking and World-Rejecting. Includes ESI, SEE, LIE and ILI. Thought to have a “mature” mentality. Combines harsh judgment with strategic thinking. This means that Gammas prefer to remain independent from the controls and influences of other people, striving to fulfil their own ambitions as a matter of personal achievement. They prefer to look at facts in the long term, doing what is prudent for their future and sacrificing daily concerns for what will be best later on. Socialising is a pragmatic means of meeting people who can be trusted and form meaningful relations with. New people are quickly judged, with a strong emphasis on individuals being essentially good and trustworthy. More pragmatic, working relations can be formed, although scumbags will be rejected with vitriol. People are thus treated as individuals who could either be allies or enemies, depending on their set, inner nature. Gammas will tend to consider their own opinions towards issues carefully and when necessary, will prefer people to speak their mind harshly and disagree rather than try to stay friendly. They can be extreme in their attitudes towards other people, forming long-lasting grudges against those they deem 'evil'. To envision a Gamma setting, think of a business meeting or else the lone entrepreneur, trying to solidify a profitable future.



    • Delta: World-Accepting and Integrity-Seeking. Includes EII, IEE, LSE and SLI. Thought to have a “senior” mentality. Combines good-faith judgment with practical convenience. This means that Deltas like peaceful, minimalist surroundings in which they are free to work on their own endeavours without interruption. They prefer to be self-sufficient, being able to do things themselves, or else learn how to improve themselves so that they no longer need help. At the same time, they enjoy giving sound, practical advice to help people, earnestly trying to make their immediate surroundings a better, more fruitful place. Deltas tend to be understated, with a quiet humility, or else, taking a sudden excitable interest in a new person who is of interest. People are judged carefully over time, with Deltas being happy to give others the benefit of the doubt, looking past misunderstandings until they know the person is right for them or not. Disagreements are often respectfully addressed, but rarely lead to an argument, with Deltas being happy to go their own way and not mind what others do. At the same time, they may do much to avoid long-term commitments, needing to be free to choose based on new situations and able to manage their own affairs with convenience. To envision a Delta setting, think of the friend who pops in to see you after some eclectic travels or else the sort of person who goes off into the woods to build their own tree-house.
    I think I start to identify more and more with Gamma as I get older, although that is probably not a necessarily type-related thing.

    In Gamma, I agree with the need for independence, less with the harshness, vitriol and vengefulness.

    I don't think Gamma is necessarily more independent than Alpha, just more in-group focused*. Your tight relations with a select group of worthy people determines your rapport. In alpha, by contrast, you can basically afford not to invest in any friendships because finding other people to build fast rapport with is easy. This is related to valuing Ti, which is all about finding a set of beliefs that don't create conflict with anyone on account of their logical consistency; hence the ability to connect with the largest number of people at any time.

    * here's also why the use of the word "group" in relation to Fe always irks me. Fi/Te is the one that establishes in-groups. To Fe/Ti there is no group, just universal, inclusive rapport.

    these terms seem a bit odd... first time I come across them:

    World-Accepting Ne/Si
    World-Rejecting Se/Ni
    Clarity-Seeking Ti/Fe
    Integrity-Seeking Fi/Te

    1. World-Accepting and World-RejectingThis determines which Irrational IM Elements are valued.
    • World-Accepting - Value Senses and Ideas. World-Accepting types are open to the many possibilities that the world has to offer and do not like to limit themselves or miss out on anything. They want to give everything in life a chance, They prefer things to go smoothly and harmoniously, immersing themselves in the flow of the moment and savouring what is in front of them. It is important to refine these experiences, avoiding what is discordant and embracing experiences of the best quality.
    • World-Rejecting - Value Force and Time. World-Rejecting types focus on the matters of great importance in their world and readily decide what is purposeful and what is not. They are happy to limit or cut out of their lives what is trivial or a distraction to their intended path. They prefer to struggle with reality to ensure that their ambitions are fulfilled, and take the view that ambitions must be achieved by competing with reality to win. Content with restless, strenuous activity, it is important to feel that they are making a concrete impact on their world.

    2. Clarity-Seeking and Integrity-Seeking
    This determines which Rational IM Elements are valued.
    • Clarity-Seeking - Value Laws and Emotion. Clarity-Seeking types are geared towards open expression of how they are feeling to the people around them, making decisions based on unambiguous feelings of fun, excitement or meaning as well as the buzz they get from others. They need to understand things with clarity, making absolute sense of their reality in line with a consistent, self-evident truth.
    • Integrity-Seeking - Value Pragmatism and Relations. Integrity-Seeking types are geared towards dry, matter-of-fact statements that accurately inform on events, making decisions based on their own assessment of the facts and seems most prudent to the situation. They need to establish sincere, stable relationships with others, staying loyal to those they like while keeping untrustworthy people at a distance.
    I probably do fall on the side of World-Accepting, Clarity-Seeking here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsme View Post
    Yes, pretty much agree with this.
    Also good people are good people and treated as such in this quadra, gammas usually don't just hate their enemies they also love their friends, loyalty is in high regard even though because of the subjective Nature of Fi- i have yet to see a (permanent) quarrel between gammas where not both sides tend to feel betrayed in one way or another.
    Maybe this could be why gamma is so lonely, harsh jugdement with who is worth your time while every gamma has a a somewhat differing vision of what is the right standard of behavior.

    A bit of topic: Gammas seem very rare to me too, i don't really meet that many of them tbh, it's a pity.
    In my experience meeting people who are trustworthy & who have a moral backbone is rather rare, so when it happens I hold onto them. Generally I'm open-minded about other people, but over time some of them will grind down my level of trust as I get to know them. Some of these individuals however manifest in ways that reveal character flaws which then lead to persistent and repetitive breaks in trust or morality, negative interactions.. at which point I just cut them out of my life by force if necessary or if I can't, a persistent openly hostile attitude will from, a permanent attitude (I assume this is Fi-Se). Its a case-by case thing, I don't seem to do the beta us vs them thing and it sucks when a beta does that to me via some kind of misunderstanding. Also yeah, prudent, deliberate strategic thinking with emphasis on "how does this benefit me in the real world long term?"
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    one of baseless heretical nonsense about types

    > Gammas prefer to remain independent from the controls and influences of other people

    Types specific is in what regions people prefer to base decisions on own thinking - it's their strong functions, especially valued. In weak regions people want a support and help, especially in valued, and hence not be independent there.

    To live among people, to cooperate and interact with them, to get from them something - means to dependend from them.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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