Would your life have less meaning if you were an AI running inside a computer simulation of 21st century Earth?
Would your life have less meaning if you were an AI running inside a computer simulation of 21st century Earth?
Obviously yes it would have less meaning.
I kind of imagine that Trump could give a press conference stating this as a fact in quite near future.
Anyway, the state of existence. Does it have less or more meaning in electrical signals bouncing off from tiny transistors than in current quantum mess? Given that the signals are not explained by the quantum mess.
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So you mean an AI with consciousness? Then it would have meaning from its own perspective. (If the computer was programmed to give the AI meaning, god etc.)
In a sense we are already living inside a simulation. Its called the unconscious. Everything we experience must already be in the psyche. Experienced reality is actually a live hallucination.
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The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
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It means reality is artificial and at the whim of it's creator.
Means I am at the whim of it's creator. Means no freedom, what would be the point of creating meaning for myself then?
I'd be an artificial construct / not genuine.
I find solace in the idea that I'm a free, genuine evolved living organism on some rock in space.. and that there is no creator, I am free to explore and evolve.
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Define 'meaning'.
IMHO, even if this life is 'genuine' (define genuine!), it does not necessarily have to have meaning. And I myself believe it doesn't have meaning. And the Existentialist notion of giving life meaning yourself is BS too, for if life has no meaning, giving it meaning won't give it meaning either.
I think more along the lines of the late Joseph Campbell, who said that one shouldn't aim for a meaningful life, but for a life that is lived with the feeling of being alive. A notion that is already supported by the Book of Genesis, in which Adam and Eve are placed by God in a Paradise where all they had to do is to frolic around a bit. But they had to screw it up and ate from the Tree of Knowledge, which is just another way of saying they were trying to give life meaning.
If this state of feeling alive is accomplished within a computer simulation, than that would be perfectly okay. But obviously, if 'I' am just an aspect within a computer simulation, 'I' probably have no control over my actions and thus no control over this 'feeling alive'.
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From observation I think it is safe to assume we have limited free will & that most of our available options are narrowed by our condition & environment.
This means I am constrained by my biology, my surroundings and what I encountered between conception and now. Essentially chains of causality between the past and the future (present) which in large narrow my options for action and in a sense determine the future. Destiny if you will.
I still have freedom within those constraints however.
True. The way OP phrased it means I would be aware of being in a simulation. Despair would be the consequence of such an awareness.If we lived in a simulation, the meaning placed on me by my "creator" would transcend the meaning I give to my life, that's all. I would be unable to grasp that purpose. In a way it's comical, like seeing an ant who thinks the purpose of the universe is to build an ant hill. But that's the purpose of the ant and not of anything else. And yet I need to believe in freedom, in choice, in will, in my own truth because otherwise I would turn mad. My life needs to have a personal significance damnit! And this significance is my absolute. But what I hear the world telling around me is "the show must go on"....
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how could you check whether it's true that we live inside a computer simulation in the first place?
Define 'destiny'! My personal attitude in, say, the last two years has more and more become one that holds: the moment I die, I want to be in a state where I am content with the state my life is in, a decent level of self-esteem. It may be that that moment comes in 10 minutes from now, or not for another 30 years, but that doesn't really matter. a certain kind of control is indeed required to make that happen, it needs action (or sometimes the absence of action). What type of action? Well, this is where Socionics, among other things, come into the picture: for each type there is definitively a specific mode of 'feeling alive' and thus a specific mode of actions. Unfortunately, for each of us it takes a lot of time to learn what this specific mode is and what actions go with that. I think there are all sorts of indications in mainstream psychology that this typically doesn't happen before the age of 40.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
You're always "inside a box" in your thinking no matter what, regardless of what the substrate of the universe is. Unless you can interact with the boundaries of your ai-world to the degree that you can clearly tell what it is from the inside, what type of box it is on the outside makes little difference. We don't think in a vacuum.
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See panels #6 and #7. Check and check.
If your meaning is based on your sense of importance, I'd say so.
I don't know. This would mean my chosen conception of the universe which I have based some of my "feelings" upon, is incorrect, and therefore those feelings (if any were in the interest of seeking truth) may not apply to the actual universe that I live in. Then I will want the "real" conception of the universe. Mostly though I just feel angry about this because seriously if I'm a sentient AI why couldn't you build me an awesome video game world? Why this world? This would mean we've been subjected to this experience. But does that really matter because no one can explain the universe anyway, I mean there are obviously some mind-blowing things behind there being this existence at all, or this existence is just mind-blowing in general. It's just the computer simulation possibility is so uninteresting and you could just replace its creator with "God" or "gods" as humans been doing forever, as this might as well be God's simulation. Is there a difference when there's nothing you can do about it anyway? Unless we can talk to the content creators because I have some ideas.
Plato's ideas are still accessible.
I would break out of the simulation and yell "you are my creator, but I am your master!" and then make the people who started the simulation live in the simulation.