I vote Logical Sensory Introvert (LSI)
ILE
LII
ESE
SEI
EIE
IEI
LSI
SLE
SEE
ESI
LIE
ILI
IEE
EII
LSE
SLI
Jeffrey Epstein
I vote Logical Sensory Introvert (LSI)
EIE?
I think so too, the artworks in his house don't lieOriginally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
My approach is that Ghislaine Maxwell is likely his activity partner and she is likely my quasi-identical of the INTx variety so therefore without putting energy into viewing any videos of him he likely becomes an ISFx.
Epstein: LIE
Maxwell: IEE
I disagree.
Why even quote me.
And no reasoning given.
I'm an intuitive typer. :\ There's often not that much reasoning that goes into it.
Donald is an LIE.
Jeffrey is 100% an introvert. If you watch the Netflix doc, he’s deeply private and reclusive.
I think gamma NT based on what I've seen in the documentary so far
LIE activity with SEE Mr Trump
Unfortunately, probably true.
Two very screwed up individuals. How did they find each other?
God doesn’t play dice
Since Donald is LIE and I narrowed Epstein down to Thinking Introvert (LSI,LII,ILI,SLI) see post above, it was probably Mirage (nice and easy relation to start), Mirror, Contrary, or Supervision with DT as supervisee.
My first impression was LIE, leaning ILI now, but I don't know. I can't determine if he has strong or weak Se (in considering LSI... mirror relation with SLE DonaldLIE activity with SEE Mr Trump
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...he actually reminds me of ILE too just from VI.My first impression was LIE, leaning ILI now, but I don't know. I can't determine if he has strong or weak Se (in considering LSI... mirror relation with SLE Donald
ILE might explain why he went for *very* young women. People tend to choose partners who are equal to themselves. Pedophiles are cases of halted development, but I suppose some could also be Infantiles themselves.
SEE and ILE are SuperEgo, where the two types try to impress each other, and that's what the two appear to be doing in the pic above, which is why I said they were co-runners. They seem to be engaged in a similar path, but are unimpressed competitors.
I think there are different types of pedophiles. The "pedo-cretins" (those who are mentally or emotionally stuck at a younger age) and the one's who are more like sexual sadists. The firsts usually attempt to recreate the fantasy of having a "romance" with the kid, the lasts go directly to recreate sexual perversions with minors (often using violence). I've find childlikes dating several years younger ppl so I guess you could find some socionics infantiles among the pedo-cretins but I don't know if it could be truly related (I'd say not).
On the other hand, I watched a documentary about pedos in asia once, and one old man was sending love letters to an 11 yo prostitute as if he were just another 11 yo boy. The girl seemed to not understand a word of what he was talking about in the letters. She probably haven't had any kind of romantic relationship with a boy ever, besides being used as a doll by old men and the meaning of words didn't seem to have much meaning for her. It was surreal, he was like living in an alternate reality.
DONALD TRUMP IS NOT SEE.LIE activity with SEE Mr Trump
Please look into Communication Styles. If he was SEE, he’d have “Passionate” communication style- that of all Extrovert Feelers (EIE,ESE,SEE,IEE). His style is clearly Business-like, making him ILE,LIE,LSE,or SLE. And he is Gamma.
You can google “communication styles socionics” to get to the article.
There are so many ways to use deductive reasoning to narrow down a type rather than guess using anecdotes or behaviors or scripted speeches or songs or public personas.
Epstein, as you can tell from his deposition, has Cold-Blooded communication style, narrowing him down to LSI,LII,ILI,and SLI.
Once you can tell that someone is an introvert, determine if they have Sincere communication style or Cold-blooded- this is very easy. From there there are only 4 choices and each belong to a different Quadra.
Typing has been made so much easier for me. I no longer have to guess.
I've heard of communication styles bruh. If your only reasoning is the quadrant he belongs to and how he talks then you got some shit reasoning because he is literally an Se poster child and complete garbage at Te.
The fact that you think Donald Trump is a Feeler is comical. SEEs value being likeable and are way more warm in communication due to Demonstrative Fe and way more entertaining to watch. The fact that you see him as someone with creative Fi, demonstrative Fe is ridiculous.
Watch CS Joseph’s video typing Donald Trump if you want more detailed reasoning.
I knew DT was an LIE long before CS Joseph made the video.
I’ve seen people in this forum type Elvis Presley as SEE, tell me how they are remotely close to the same person.
Donald Trump, an Artisan?- I am laughing my ass off.
I have shit reasoning but you’re legitimately trying to type based on Intertype relationship when you don’t know them or been around them to know what kind of relationship they truly have. I have plenty of photos with my Conflictor, imagine assuming she’s my Activity partner because we hang out together.
The bolded is all true of Trump. Have you never watched one of his speeches? He’s a personable, charismatic person, and intentionally does entertaining things all the time. He thrives on the stage, and had a good idea of how people will respond to his actions. He’s great with people, but worse at actually being a President; he seems to delegate a lot of power to the sycophants around him, and takes their advice far too much. He’s not a good manager — which is probably not typical of a Te-base.
There’s no reason to be that prickly, anyway.
Thank you for the more detailed response. I've explained in detail many times why he's see on this forum. Also, a picture is worth 1000 words. An expert typist such as yourself will know nonverbal communication is far more important. He obviously wants to he liked. He never stops bragging and boasting and gets rid of anyone who doesn't suck up to him in his cabinet. Look at how he demonized fauci. Why not explain why you think a guy who is terrified of facts and talks out his ass on a daily basis is a te base
He used nothing but se on the debate stage. Show the te
Its also pretty shitty reasoning to assume that picture is my only reason for thinking this. Perhaps I put it to help illustrate my opinion and as a reference for those familiar with it. I'm noticing a pattern in the way you think. This pattern makes it pretty clear to me why you're so gun ho about insisting you and this human turd are mirrors
I don't know or care who Cs Joseph is. I'm not going to watch a video on something that's simply not true. Have your own thinking instead of telling me to watch someone else's wrong explanation. Chances are anyway, if he's making the video he's just trying to sell people on his brand of socionics, rather than actually giving a shit about proper typing. Or maybe he's just wrong. Trump is so obviously SE that I would go as far as saying anyone that thinks otherwise is either deliberately pushing an agenda or just doesn't understand Socionics.
Even SLE is a much better sell than 4d Ne and Ni creative.. Like come on. This guy has absolutely no foresight or intuition. He just shit talks, bullies and trolls his way to the top. Again, show the Te
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Every one of my ILI friends hates Trump, too. But then, they are all of above-average intelligence.
ILI
Maybe the Clintons introduced them before Donald and Epstein had their fight.
Seriously, Bill was on his island, Trump on networking Events with the high society..
Its becoming ridiculous how people try to pin every evil in the world on their President.
This is not a Trump thing, this is a pedo-elite thing, trump is not the one mail ordering 'pizza' and 'pasta' for thousands of dollars while whistle-blowers and other possible adversaries around tend to commit suicide by multiple gunshots to the back of their heads.
Trump and Epstein look like co-runners.
This is SEE and ILI: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...hn-ncna1233693
And this: https://apnews.com/3953e0a367ec4655950eedf9146d39af
i studied pedophile behavior in the past and i remember ive been reading of associations with pedophilic behaviors with MBTI, and the relationship with the 2 stood up with the ISTJ, cold behavior, over-rational, at loss of emotional self control... or smt of the like. on a more sciency base pedophilia correlates to some kind of impairment in the brain, if im not wrong with a scarcity of grey matter, which explains why men are more easily involved in this, and maybe even why the more T you are the less you can control your sensations/emotions.
btw, just rambling
From the perspective received in this part of the world Trump has low Te and Ti
I’m even considering Beta NF for his type. Not a standard NF though - has he been diagnosed with narcissism?
I actually think that what trump does is very Te- and Vortical-Synergic Cognition, he is taking calculated (PR) risks to see how the dynamic plays out in his favor with the media.
This is what you saw mostly in his first election, he threw the media a bone, a simple provocation and played them like a piano while they were in blind attack mode.
Also he VIs as Te lead and all he does is pretty characteristic for gamma.
Being self assured and not hiding the fact that you think that you are a great person is quintessentially gamma while nearly every other quadra is said to perceive gammas as some kind of hostile, cold or vindictive which is exactly how a lot of people perceive him while i as his (supposed) identical see him as a very reasonable and good hearted person that tries to do the best to act morally inside of a corrupted system.
Finally someone is in here making sense! Thanks! And I agree, I've never seen him as heartless, as his mirror I usually see where he is coming from not that I necessarily agree with him. The way his mind works makes sense to me. I just wish he would use more Ni, which is of course how an ILI would react to him.
I don't want to be rude, so all I will say is no.
Also, this thread is about Jeffrey Epstein. I'd like to redirect the discussion back to him.
This response come across a bit self-righteous (Fi?).
Also note, it was not I who veered the topic away from Jeffrey Epstein, not that I would care who did for what has occurred allows the larger picture to be more cohesive.
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From the perspective received on our screens here which media manipulation is of course involved in, nothing really comes across as very well thought out when he is doing it on camera.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
Also, being result type and having 4d ne usually gives you the ability to do on the spot what gives you an edge in the big picture situation because Ne usually has an overview of the potential activated
This seems to be a miserable criminal case. Got his type but the purpose of this website is education not criminal psychology. Skip.
Is there enough information available to even type him... But one thing was clear to me from watching the Netflix documentary (ahem). He is logical. It's not simply that he's probably an extreme sociopath (and I mean that's why typing him may be really impossible), but there never seemed in the limited footage to be anything resembling emotional affect or... it's like there is no ethics. I was getting the impression he often hates dealing with people and finds it a chore. He had others recruit his victims and manage a lot of it.
Yet the pictures of him when he was younger seems like an outgoing charismatic person... Maybe it's a matter of turning on the sociopathic charm or not... If he was truly an extreme sociopath it might all be feigned as he would have had to learn from an early age how to appear like his emotionality isn't unusual. That takes a lot of energy I'm willing to bet. I suffer from depression and mental illness and it takes a lot of energy for me to try to appear normal. If I were a sociopath I imagine it would take a lot more energy. Epstein may have found it exhausting to keep up his facade, I have no idea.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.van...irlfriends/amp
Jeffrey Epstein may be a bit messed up, but this guy sounds like fi-se on steroids. He is very adapt at manipulating relationships and is probably an introvert... so he's an ESI dominant subtype.
Ghislaine Maxwell always seemed LSI to me.
There's something about him that infuriates me. Not his crimes, those are appalling, I mean the way he looks and carries himself. He has this smugness about him.
Apparently, he liked to surround himself with people that kissed up to him and liked to think he was the smartest person in the room.
I think ILE. I don't see an LIE to be that obsessed with massages.
I think intuitive because a sensor would probably be more upfront about what they wanted. Or go about it in a more straightforward way.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
LSI or SLI
Ghishelle seems ESE
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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