Duals: Love and Hate

[Faith]

That's what I've always said when ppl turn to duality expecting it would be a fairly tale effortless relation. Duals are almost opposites.

[Aramas]

That's what I've always said when ppl turn to duality expecting it would be a fairly tale effortless relation. Duals are almost opposites.

Duals are exactly opposites. People who type by intertype relationships are fooling themselves according to this lol. They should be looking at people you seemingly like the least.

[Faith]

Duals are exactly opposites. People who type by intertype relationships are fooling themselves according to this lol. They should be looking at people you seemingly like the least.

No, duals are not exact opposites, that would be conflictor (P vs J). I don't see anything wrong with using IR as a way to check typing, not the only method to find type, though.

I also think its not about like/dislike, it is more about how relationships develop. If in positive or negative outcome. That's the difference between duality and conflicting. In duality relationships love and acceptance should grow, in conflict, problems and disadvantages. I've experienced conflicting, duality and super ego and I can compare how super ego gets awful as it gets closer over time and how , how communication becomes almost impossible, and how good feelings get replaced for growing resentment, disatisfaction and reject. While you can observe that duality goes in opposite direction, grow up from mistrust and difficulties in communication to closeness and acceptance at the point of becoming like one.

In theory, you should feel attracted to both at first, your dual and your conflictor (I'm basing this saying in Strat). Where the danger would be confuse your conflictor by your dual (which would cause them both hurt). Ideally, conflict relationship should not become anything serious and dual should become more interesting.

[Aramas]

No, duals are not exact opposites, that would be conflictor (P vs J). I don't see anything wrong with using IR as a way to check typing, not the only method to find type, though.

I also think its not about like/dislike, it is more about how relationships develop. If in positive or negative outcome. That's the difference between duality and conflicting. In duality relationships love and acceptance should grow, in conflict, problems and disadvantages. I've experienced conflicting, duality and super ego and I can compare how super ego gets awful as it gets closer over time and how , how communication becomes almost impossible, and how good feelings get replaced for growing resentment, disatisfaction and reject. While you can observe that duality goes in opposite direction, grow up from mistrust and difficulties in communication to closeness and acceptance at the point of becoming like one.

In theory, you should feel attracted to both at first, your dual and your conflictor (I'm basing this saying in Strat). Where the danger would be confuse your conflictor by your dual (which would cause them both hurt). Ideally, conflict relationship should not become anything serious and dual should become more interesting.

Depends on what you mean by exact I guess. My exact was meaning that the ego elements are inverses of each other. I wasn't thinking about mbti letters.

And yes I've found something similar where the negative relationships start out ok and end up sucking and vice versa. It's funny how the good relationships often start out bad, but it is kind of a trope in movies for that kind of thing to happen.

I'm not sure I would say people should be attracted to the conflictor too according to the theory, but maybe it happens.

[Faith]

Depends on what you mean by exact I guess. My exact was meaning that the ego elements are inverses of each other. I wasn't thinking about mbti letters.

And yes I've found something similar where the negative relationships start out ok and end up sucking and vice versa. It's funny how the good relationships often start out bad, but it is kind of a trope in movies for that kind of thing to happen.

I'm not sure I would say people should be attracted to the conflictor too according to the theory, but maybe it happens.

not mbti, I meant socionics basic dichotomies and it goes along with valued IEs (stackings). The exact opposite is conflictor.

Ime, dual relationships don't start out bad. But deep communication doesnt seem the easiest thing to achieve at first and is easy for duals to just turn to page from a situation that you don't understand pretty well. Also as some socionics authors mention, its necessary a long period of time for duals to really match up (mb the same amount time that other relationships would require to see if it really works or not, I guess). Strat says each dual couple have their subconsious psychological "tests" to do to partners to achieve dualization.

[Adam Strange]

No, duals are not exact opposites, that would be conflictor (P vs J). I don't see anything wrong with using IR as a way to check typing, not the only method to find type, though.

I also think its not about like/dislike, it is more about how relationships develop. If in positive or negative outcome. That's the difference between duality and conflicting. In duality relationships love and acceptance should grow, in conflict, problems and disadvantages. I've experienced conflicting, duality and super ego and I can compare how super ego gets awful as it gets closer over time and how , how communication becomes almost impossible, and how good feelings get replaced for growing resentment, disatisfaction and reject. While you can observe that duality goes in opposite direction, grow up from mistrust and difficulties in communication to closeness and acceptance at the point of becoming like one.

In theory, you should feel attracted to both at first, your dual and your conflictor (I'm basing this saying in Strat). Where the danger would be confuse your conflictor by your dual (which would cause them both hurt). Ideally, conflict relationship should not become anything serious and dual should become more interesting.

I completely agree with this.

I am working with a very intelligent LII and every time we talk, we seem to get further apart.

I know an LIE who is married to an LII. He tries to find jobs for her in different states so she will be gone during the week and home only on weekends. But she keeps getting fired and coming back. When they are together, they fight. It's not just disagreements, it's like each of them is fighting to be understood and is not being heard. And neither of them is thinking that the problem is their ITR. They don't believe that ITR's exist.

In the meantime, any good that was ever in that relationship is long gone, and I can see this happening between the LII and me. I think, if the LII and I didn't have to work together, there would be a huge amount of mutual admiration between us. And only admiration.

I'm also working with a super-ego. I'm proactively minimizing my interaction time with him, because who needs another failed relationship?

Fortunately, these are work relationships, and it is considered normal to have very impersonal work relationships, because impersonal is what will extend these relationships the most.