Why someone becomes a Marxist?

[aciaradh]

I do think that because man has a religious tendency by virtue of his nature, he winds up deifying things like the state when he becomes an atheist. Consequently, he may become a Communist, Marxist, or Socialist in the absence of a true religious or spiritual tradition.


Socionically, the types that have DA Cognition and Beta values have the greatest tendency toward Marxism.

Marxism (and Communism--i.e. actual communism, rather than state capitalism) isn't so much deification of the state as it is a materialist theory of economic development, which predicts the ultimate dissolution of the state. With the exception of Marxist-Leninists perhaps, Marxists can often tend towards dislike of the state, or at least recognition of its simultaneous impermanence and power. Most Marxists will be aimed at dissolution of the state apparatus (whether that conclusion is reached via value judgments or materialist analysis), rather than deification of it. I just wanted to respectfully point this out, as it seems to be a popular misconception regarding the aims and purpose of Marxism itself, especially with respect to what Marx himself believed regarding the state. It is true that Marx thought that religion was an opiate for the masses, so as to provide comfort in material suffering.. but Marx wasn't opposed to spirituality, and held a certain respect for religion as well. Many adherents of Marxist theory likewise disagree regarding his stance on what the fate of religion should be, as it isn't really a focal point of the theory. From my own personal experience as well, I think it's very possible to be a Marxist while being strongly spiritual.

[Poptart]

Marxism is cool if you're a racist. Karl Marx was racist as fuck. All Marxists have fine tuned small dick racist energy.

Oh wow these are personal attacks. Did a Marxist hurt your feelings?

[Anonymous]

This thread has the potential to be very spicy and I'm not sure if I should add to it.

[lookin4waifu]

Marxism is cool if you're a racist. Karl Marx was racist as fuck. All Marxists have fine tuned small dick racist energy.

Yes, and Satan bribed them into it with dick enhancement pills.

[lookin4waifu]

Oh wow these are personal attacks. Did a Marxist hurt your feelings?

A Marxist once tried to enter me with a chopstick dick, but it broke against my iron clenched butthole.

[Capitalist Pig]

Oh wow these are personal attacks. Did a Marxist hurt your feelings?

Spot the personally offended racist Marxist.

Yes, and Satan bribed them into it with dick enhancement pills.

I was wondering who is stupid enough to buy that shit. It all makes sense now.

[ILoveChinchillas]

Marxism (and Communism--i.e. actual communism, rather than state capitalism) isn't so much deification of the state as it is a materialist theory of economic development, which predicts the ultimate dissolution of the state. With the exception of Marxist-Leninists perhaps, Marxists can often tend towards dislike of the state, or at least recognition of its simultaneous impermanence and power. Most Marxists will be aimed at dissolution of the state apparatus (whether that conclusion is reached via value judgments or materialist analysis), rather than deification of it. I just wanted to respectfully point this out, as it seems to be a popular misconception regarding the aims and purpose of Marxism itself, especially with respect to what Marx himself believed regarding the state. It is true that Marx thought that religion was an opiate for the masses, so as to provide comfort in material suffering.. but Marx wasn't opposed to spirituality, and held a certain respect for religion as well. Many adherents of Marxist theory likewise disagree regarding his stance on what the fate of religion should be, as it isn't really a focal point of the theory. From my own personal experience as well, I think it's very possible to be a Marxist while being strongly spiritual.

The way I see it is that dialectical materialism excludes the immaterial. Since supernatural entities and phenomena are immaterial, dialectical materialism excludes the supernatural as well.

I do think there's some nuance here, especially since dialectical arguments explore thesis, anthesis and synthesis such that virtually all aspects of a dialogue can be included. However, as I understand it, Marx himself was greatly influenced by Ludwig Feuerbach, the father of modern atheism. Consequently, I'm of the impression that if Marx would ever argue for Christianity, it would be in the same vein as when Jesus seemingly doubted God on the cross: "Why have you forsaken me?"

[ILoveChinchillas]

This thread has the potential to be very spicy and I'm not sure if I should add to it.

I'd be interested to hear your perspective.

[Anonymous]

I'd be interested to hear your perspective.

@Rune
What is certain to me, is that people who go around branding themselves as Marxists ought to be shot. If not for the fact that it is disrespectful towards everyone involved but also more so for the fact that chances they are full of shit and their heart is not in it. I have had people, whom I've once called 'comrade', not only abandon me but would go so far as to suppress my beliefs because I did not share their wretched bourgeoise psychology.

This forum has a political group with Leninist insignia, as far as I am concerned it might as well be a swastika. You do not know how many peasants were murdered under that red banner. Neither do I, I've not done enough research to know, but I do guarantee it was a great many. But, I doubt that moderators would tolerate someone having the swastika on the page of their political group. So why the hammer and sickle? Well because one offends more people, is all. Either way I don't care, I'm not an idiot afraid of pictures. The swastika at least makes sense. How ironic and how stupid is it that the symbol for international communism is the 'unity' of two classes. A contradiction in terms. You might as well be telling Karl Marx to go fuck himself. Disgusting.

As far as 'Marxism' itself is concerned, I have provided introductory literature to those who would like to learn, but I would stay the fuck away from his 'interpretations'. Marx only shows people how to think. Don't let other people tell you what to think. Think for yourself.

Edit: I would also not be so quick to accuse Karl Marx of vulgar materialism. Karl Marx analyzes social relations which arise out of production. A relationship itself is not material. The whole point of 'Capital' is that it is not real, but a social relation which exists in the capitalist mode of production.

[Lycantrope]

Discuss.

As a teenager, not knowing much about money and not being able to think on a broader spectrum how economy and society works, it was normal that when someone came up to me and talked about socialistm/communism and presented the fake dichotomy Capitalism vs Communism, initially communism was more appealing since it was about equality and people having fair chances etc. Of course, when I grew up, I realized it wasn't so simple. So I think marxism mostly attracts people who weren't used to think about the subject often and got easily suggested by the appeals for equality. So in marxism there are 3 people: the psychopaths who created it and know it's bad, the naive teenagers who got brainwashed and the adults who never grew out of it (mainly due to personality, I'll get to this next).

Also do you think it can be related to quadra values and/or quadral complexes?

I think Betas will generally be the ones fighting for it more fiercely. But mainly, marxism attracts people with the strong personality trait of abhoring rigidity and structure (no wonder ****** picked the swastika, it psychologically "itches" lefties for being a symbol too "squary" and uncreative). Paradoxically, these people will be very dictators when it comes to implement their obsessive ideal of freedom from authority. But passive-aggressiveness is their primary modus operandi.

[Hope]

But mainly, marxism attracts people with the strong personality trait of abhoring rigidity and structure... Paradoxically, these people will be very dictators when it comes to implement their obsessive ideal of freedom from authority. But passive-aggressiveness is their primary modus operandi.

This describes exactly how the only marxist from My family behaves (LSE). I don't know if he would behave like a dictator if having the chance, but I read some thoughts of him on how to school kids in his ideal society and it was sick. Like taken from 1984 book.

[The Reality Denialist]

Extremists usually respond to extremism using extreme views. Edgelordism breeds edgelordism.