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I never go half -🍑!!Originally Posted by Aramas
you may get the help with your type as you seem F
You need help realizing that humans can feel good and not be feelers. What an uneducated, prepubescent thing to write.
Lmao imagine being so pretentious you try to guess someones type from two comments
My psychiatrist told me I have sociopathic tendencies. You will be my first victim muahhaaha *maniacal laughter*
To try and keep with the spirit of this thread, I first also thought you weren't LIE but then I saw you mentioned it somewhere that you are female. And then it instantly made sense yeah. Your energy is the same certain strong & erratic energy emotionally as with some LIE females I've known. I find that energy comfy though, interestingly enough. (I type LSI-Se)
PS: this energy thingy some associate with Intuitive-ness. This is hard to explain though sorry
Normally I would agree with Sol being ridiculous with his comment, but in video chat I didn't see LIEseemed more in line with ESE or SEE
I'm definitely LIE. I was just trying to entice some good energy
Clearly everyone struggles with sarcasm here.
It's not uncommon for people to misinterpret my excellent extroverted social skills as something other than what they are, or for people to feel a bit intimated by that. did you know? Not every NT has to be boring and calculative. People can have a sense of humor. That might come as a surprise to you since you had a flat affect. A flat affect is a common symptom of various mental illnesses. You had not a single movement in your facial expressions. This makes me think you are biased towards extroverts.Normally I would agree with Sol being ridiculous with his comment, but in video chat I didn't see LIE
I wish. He is what I aspire to be.Are you like this dude besides killing people of course?
I think he's supposed to be 3w4.
that guy is incredibly Ni creative to me as he has a sense for image, that's not any kind of beta ST, beta STs are more uh, straightforwardly "simpler" than this
And you seem R. As Retarded.
cool, hi!
hi !!
Lol wtf is this thread. "I don't think you are the type you say you are based on a few comments, but feel welcome". Yeah, very welcoming lol.
I will test as LIE 10/10 times. Throw me a question and I guarantee I will answer identical to an LIE. Also, I'm well aware of the differences between socionics and MBTI. Ty
Eh you're free to think that. I haven't tried to appear more knowledgeable at all. But there is one thing I'm most knowledgeable on, and that's myself. * Wink *
I didn’t say you must be an extrovert lol. That was someone else. I wasn’t talking at all. I didn’t find the post simply to challenge you, it was posted in new posts. I don’t speak to people in a mean way like that especially when first meeting them (making a jab at someone first joining a call isn’t me). You’re making a complete ass of yourself and you’ve already revealed in this post that you have a significant mental illness. I don’t have a personality disorder or a significant mental illness, but it seems pretty clear to me that you do. Normally I wouldn’t use that against someone, but you seem to be making such light of it and using it to attack other people.
I agree on Fe valuing the more I think about it and as this post has gone on though. Maybe you should consider EIE. Not all feelers are sensitive people. Some people use their Fe for completely selfish reasons, particularly ones with strong mental illness.
i have many happy friends who being an atmosphere that welcomes other people, and you do not do that. You also told the person who said you must be an extrovert, about 3 minutes in that you thought she was such a cool person suddenly, that person was pretty confused by the *fakeness* of it. I’m sorry, but you do come off pretty fake. I’d rather have 3 minutes of a “flat affect” than be anything like you. Keep boasting about your la k of empathy which is probably more in line with a personality disorder than “haha I’m so cool my psychiatrist thinks I have sociopathic tendencies”. I’ve seen that many times before.
My apologies I thought you were Rynn, then. And I don't have a psychiatrist. That was a joke.
I think I made an ass out of myself because the zoom names were different than the usernames on here.
I still stand by what I said, and I thought my jokes initially were funny. No one aspires to be the guy from American psycho. That's absurd. I'm surprised that was taken so literally. As well as the psychiatrist joke.
I think in general because I was confusing you with someone else, that it's going to be difficult to sift through and find the general points I was making. So because a lot of the things I was saying were in reference to someone else, I will list the general points I still stand by:
1. The flat affect was a snarky joke. As of your most recent post, you have now typed me as EIE or ENFJ. What's interesting is you still are holding onto the Feeling function. ENFJ is at least a rational type and intuitive. ESFP was just completely missing the mark. I know many ENFJs, and I find they have a warmth that I simply lack.
2. I do not have a psychiatrist, and I don't aspire to be the guy from American psycho. I was merely "playing off of" justwanderings comment. I was also trying to use an extreme example to contrast the assumptions people were making.
3. I still stand by the jokes I made about who I now know as Rynn from the zoom chat. Faerie, obviously everything I said doesn't apply to you, except the flat affect comment. Your reply about preferring to have a flat affect over my alleged fakeness was funny. Kudos. Im glad you would rather be you, than me. Funny enough, I'd rather be me, than you. At least we can both agree on that
Well, I wasn't sure that @NightHawk was LIE when I read her first posts (I thought SEE was possible), but the fact that she's a female makes things clearer. I know at least 22 LIE's IRL, two of whom are female, and the female LIE's can come off as being incredible hard-asses while still having a human in there somewhere. It isn't easy being a female with a very male personality.
For what it's worth, when I initially started posting on this forum, I was being very circumspect and still managed to permanently irritate every Dual on here. Also some Semi-Duals. In real life, I have been told that I'm "unignorable" and have been compared to a "loose cannon" and to the "82nd Airborne". You know, you just try to do your job and a few things break and then everyone jumps on you.
@NightHawk, you seem like you are in your early 20's. I didn't really start being LIE until I was 30. But before then, I lived in a bubble and didn't have any external references, so I was slow to understand myself.
What are your experiences with being a female LIE? How do you think you compare to other females, and to other LIE's? Any thoughts?
People have tended to think I'm a lesbian because I was always a bit of a tomboy. Which who cares right? Well, when you constantly hear stupidity, it wears you down. It made me keenly aware at a very early age that I was different from other girls, and that how I behaved wasn't acceptable, feminine, soft, submissive, etc. I have definitely had to deal with sort of not fitting in because of that, and I've developed the "funny guy" personality mostly as a coping mechanism to deal with what I thought was hypocrisy in society. I initially pointed things out with intensity, but realized quickly that people don't respond well to that and may perceive me as argumentative when really I just wanted to see better in the world. So using humor to point out logical inconsistencies was more effective. As much as I try to deny the effects of gender, because I always realized it was socialized, I do now know it plays a role in personality development. Yes, I am in my 20s. I think as a kid, being an LIE was difficult because I genuinely wanted to see things improve, but being surrounded by so many SFs, who don't care to understand why things are the way they are, was pretty isolating. It was also very depressing. The world seemed hopeless. I remember I was already an atheist by age 12 because I realized religion also was perpetuating what I consider unhealthy expectations on people, the LGBtq+ community, etc, and especially women and their "role" or "place" in the world. Anyway, I'm in my late 20s. I went through the bush era, homophobia, and definitely grew up as the conservative agenda changed to a more liberal one. So I do like the way society is progressing but growing up was not fun. I mean it's already hard to be a kid. I never liked being a kid either. I felt like i had a voice that wasn't heard and realized when I grew up and became an adult I would hopefully be heard. Which being gamma =adults. Didn't check for typos. Posting now. Lol
wtf
Lmao it's a dumpster fire. * Tips hat *
@NightHawk, you sound like you are walking the same path I did. Except I wasn't called a lesbian. Lol.
So your experience with SF's wasn't that good? I was surrounded by thinkers and was told that Feelers were stupid. So much crap to overcome.
How is your relationship with your father? Close? Distant? What about with your mother? I'm testing a theory here.
I have a great relationship with my dad. It has improved w my mom. I think my mom was typed as ISFJ which is interesting because when we were younger I felt like we didn't get along. Now that I'm older I can talk to my mom more deeply and I feel understood.@NightHawk, you sound like you are walking the same path I did. Except I wasn't called a lesbian. Lol.
So your experience with SF's wasn't that good? I was surrounded by thinkers and was told that Feelers were stupid. So much crap to overcome.
How is your relationship with your father? Close? Distant? What about with your mother? I'm testing a theory here.
I felt like SFs cared so much about image and aesthetic, and doing what everyone else is doing, and I cared mostly about politics, philosophy and science. No one seemed to really want to think about why things are the way they are. No one seemed to want to question the status quo and say how can we make the world better?
As for OP I'm not sure if OP is LIE>EIE but I think it makes sense for LIE (rather than EIE) that she turned away from the jokey stuff to try and explain rationally.
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That's exactly my experience with female LIEs. Lol I don't mind the gaffes usually. I had an issue with a couple of them sometimes if they got weirdly paranoid out of the blue randomly but I somehow never really took that personally either bc they made up for those bad moments with the liveliness and the energy thingy I mentioned above lol
(To be totally factual, there was one exception from this rule but that had reasons outside typology and I still think of that person as likeable overall, weirdly enough)
When I realized it was spiraling downwards quick and there was miscommunication and some confusion, I quickly put together my three final points. I also wanted to take ownership of my screw ups and make sure that was said first.
Well I'll be going to see my friend shortly. Thanks for those who tried to understand me. And don't worry, I'll be keeping six feet * wink *
It's probably not worth anything but I'd like to say sorry that I was being bitchy with the mental health comment to you @thegreenfaerie. I didn't need to be immature and resort to an ad hominem argument. It wasn't nice and I was insensitive to those with actual mental health problems. I'm sure from this conversation I left a bad taste in ur mouth. I can't really change that and I don't expect u to feel any different about me. and that's not really the point of saying sorry. An apology is still deserved for that pettiness on my end. I think it's worth acknowledging that I should not make light of mental health issues regardless of the situation.
I didn't do much better in retaliating bringing up personality disorders and that went against my own values really. I've worked with people with severe mental illness for a long time and I have an immense amount of of care for them. I guess I don't like people who are very manipulative and only out for themselves though, which can sometimes be in line with personality disorders. It was honestly, defense for the most part and potentially just misjudgment. Thank you for apologizing. I don't have significant mental illness issues, but I am struggling right now with some stuff I think mostly pertaining to place in life, and I do struggle with anxiety issues. I'm in the midst of changing my life. It's good you recognize the insensitivity because what if I did have a significant mental illness, that could have been very painful. Thank you once again.
That makes me super happy that u don't entirely hate me. I've struggled with really bad depression and hopelessness but it's easier to make light of it these days.
Honestly a lot of LIEs have narcissistic tendencies but I think it's just a front for most of us because we have a lot of pride. Even in the manner we speak it's very like "motivational speaker" esp for certain enneagram types. I feel like I relate a lot to this guy, we have similar demeanor, sense of humor and story telling. Like everything he said, how he said it, is me.
I think he explains how defensive we can get and how it isn't always arrogant. Granted idk if im a 3w4. But he talks about the superego and how we need to step back sometimes.
https://youtu.be/nw6nbOLeeqk
Anyway if you have the time check it out. He's chill. And it's really worth the watch.
This is prob one of the most important things I'll ever post here.
Since you said you are feeling lost with your place and changes in ur life, im gonna link you to a sort of song/speech that at least for me reminds me of what's important. I hope that it will have the same benefits for u as it has for many people
If you do listen to it, pay attention to the words and try to avoid distractions or chatting with anyone. It's only 5 minutes but totally worth the time. But don't listen to it if ur not going to really hear it. Or if you aren't in the mood to listen to something rn.
It's like an epiphany in a song
And if you think you know the song, doesn't matter! Listen to it again.
https://youtu.be/sTJ7AzBIJoI
lol that's so funny, i was going to share this on someone's post recently, but decided not to. i first heard this in astronomy class at university back when and i really loved it. i get it, thank you for sharing : )
Well listen to it again! You can read the same book twice and notice things you never noticed the first time.
No prob ! It's an oldie but a goodie
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