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    So I have created a simple game to test how much developed is someone's Extroverted Intuition. I have not tested with many people, so I'm not sure this is accurate.

    So the game is very simple:
    A moderator gives two random words, let's say "Piano" and "Egg". So the player has to connect both objects/concepts by breaking it into several simple connections that the Moderator can agree with based on how one object can easily be trigged by the memory (for example, "Piano" connects to "pianist" but not to "Socionics" for instance, this is debatable but the moderator has to agree with your connection).

    So, following are some examples:

    Piano --> keyboard --> keyboard keys --> white and black --> white --> milk --> milkshake --> chocolate milkshake --> chocolate --> chocolate eggs --> eggs --> egg (11 steps)

    Piano --> Music sheet for piano --> Prokofiev --> Prokokokofiev --> KokoKo --> rooster --> chicken --> egg (7 steps)

    Piano --> Beethoven --> Genius --> Einstein --> Vegetarian --> Ovolactovegetarian --> Egg (6 steps)

    Piano --> Pi-a-no --> Pi --> Circle --> Ellipse --> Egg (5 steps)

    I could go on forever, but the idea is that supposedly someone with developed Ne will be able to make such connections with less steps than those who don't have high Ne given a good amount of samples for many different cases of two-word connections..

    Edit: It's preferable if you don't think too much (just as in an improvisation) and let the objects connect themselves toward the goal
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    Piano -> requires hand molestation to operate -> egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namira View Post
    Piano -> requires hand molestation to operate -> egg
    You're joking of course but
    "requires hand molestation to operate" isn't a noun, and I disagree that it requires hand molestation, so I wouldn't consider it as a valid connection for the purpose of this game.
    You can give another try

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    Connecting piano and egg -> they are both hollow structures filled with materials (1 step)

    Anyways, a definition of Ne: "generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others."

    I don't think connecting words is necessarily going to be related to a persons strength with Ne. As you can see by my answer to connecting piano and egg, I simply used my knowledge of their compositions. I didn't have to generate any abstract ideas or possibilities to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chakram View Post
    Connecting piano and egg -> they are both hollow structures filled with materials (1 step)

    Anyways, a definition of Ne: "generally associated with the ability to recognize possibilities, create new opportunities and new beginnings, recognize talent and natural propensities in others, reconcile differing perspectives and viewpoints, rapidly generate ideas, and be led by one's intellectual curiosity and stimulate curiosity in others."

    I don't think connecting words is necessarily going to be related to a persons strength with Ne. As you can see by my answer to connecting piano and egg, I simply used my knowledge of their compositions. I didn't have to generate any abstract ideas or possibilities to do this.
    You didn't understand the workings of the game. You didn't connect them according to the rules of the game. So your connection is invalid, even though in reality it is obviously true.
    So before you judge if it is associated with Ne, you need to understand how the game works, which apparently you haven't yet

    Also, the game not being strictly related to the definition of Ne doesn't mean it is not related to it, or even a consequence of it.

    For example some Socionists associate "sensors" with the ability to remembering details. It is not directly related to the definition of sensing functions.

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    Piano -> Chopin -> choppin’ up egg salad -> egg

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    This is Ni, not Ne.

    Subjective > Objective > Subjective

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Piano -> Chopin -> choppin’ up egg salad -> egg
    "Chopin -> choppin’ up egg salad" is not a valid connection, but I think you kind of understood the essence of the game.
    Btw, only nouns (and adjectives that can be transformed into nouns) are accepted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    "Chopin -> choppin’ up egg salad" is not a valid connection, but I think you kind of understood the essence of the game.
    Btw, only nouns (and adjectives that can be transformed into nouns) are accepted
    Well why didn’t you mention that earlier? Stop adding rules as you go along. That’s some Ti polr Ne bullshit and that’s why you’ve been rejecting everybody’s answers so far.

    Just change choppin’ to chopped up egg salad and it’s an object then, asshole. Go back to covering yourself in Ne diapers. This game is lame.

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    Piano -> black stripes and requires hand molestation like @Megatrop ‘a asshole -> spherical asshole -> egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Well why didn’t you mention that earlier? Stop adding rules as you go along. That’s some Ti polr Ne bullshit and that’s why you’ve been rejecting everybody’s answers so far.

    Just change choppin’ to chopped up egg salad and it’s an object then, asshole. Go back to covering yourself in Ne diapers. This game is lame.
    It's not valid not because of that.
    Iou could instead do "chopping" -> "choppe" (because they sound similar, but it is still debatable) --> choppe salad --> choppe egg salad.
    But you're doing great. It was very creative on your part

    Btw, the connections don't need to be creative, only the whole process. Connections like those are not valid.

    For example, you can connect Megatrop --> Socionics, but you can't connect Socionics --> Megatrop (but the moderator could still agree, but I don't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    It's not valid not because of that.
    It's not valid because they are not conceptually connected. you could instead do "chopping" -> "choppe" (because they sound similar, but it is still debatable) --> choppe salad --> choppe egg salad.
    But you're doing great. It was very creative on your part
    Choppe is not a word. That’s why I said chopped.

    Also chopped salad -> chopped egg salad can just be combined into one instead of wasting an extra step.

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    Piano
    Anus
    Eggs (they clearly are pooped by chickens)

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    Piano -> internetless hobbies -> cooking -> eggs

    theres one’s a boring stoopid delta could understand and fap to happily

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    Wonder if an anus, if fully stretched out would be more like a circle or more like an ellipse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    Piano
    Anus
    Eggs (they clearly are pooped by chickens)
    Piano --> Pianus --> Anus, But anus is not directly connect with eggs. But eggs --> cloaca --> anus though, but the anus doesnt "-->" egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Piano -> internetless hobbies -> cooking -> eggs

    theres one’s a boring stoopid delta could understand and fap to happily
    internetless hobbies includes piano, but piano doesnt "-->" internetless hobbies (this is not inherently connected to it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Also chopped salad -> chopped egg salad can just be combined into one instead of wasting an extra step.
    I know, but I make this to make sure the moderator will accept my connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Wonder if an anus, if fully stretched out would be more like a circle or more like an ellipse
    it depends on how it is stretched out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    "Chopin -> choppin’ up egg salad" is not a valid connection, but I think you kind of understood the essence of the game.
    Btw, only nouns (and adjectives that can be transformed into nouns) are accepted
    Not sure what you meant by an “adjective that can be transformed into a noun”, but you can make a participle: “the guy choppin’ up eggs holds a murderous gaze.” Or a gerund — basically a noun, and you said you’d accept nouns. “Choppin’ up eggs is my favorite sport.”

    That seems to me the same sort of thing as “piano -> pi”, so I’m not sure why you won’t accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I know, but I make this to make sure the moderator will accept my connection
    Isn’t this a problem then because a lot of this is dependent on the moderator. The moderator is the main factor, not the person playing.

    it just seems like you wanted to make a thread where you moderate this dumb shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Not sure what you meant by an “adjective that can be transformed into a noun”, but you can make a participle: “the guy choppin’ up eggs holds a murderous gaze.” Or a gerund — basically a noun, and you said you’d accept nouns. “Choppin’ up eggs is my favorite sport.”

    That seems to me just as valid as “piano -> pi”.
    piano is not connected to pi, but it is connected to pi-a-no.

    I know those can be transformed, I just said that it isn't well formatted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    piano is not connected to pi, but it is connected to pi-a-no. I know it can be transformed, I just said that it isn't well formatted.
    Is “pi-a-no” a noun or an adjective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Isn’t this a problem then because a lot of this is dependent on the moderator. The moderator is the main factor, not the person playing.

    it just seems like you wanted to make a thread where you moderate this dumb shit
    hahaha
    The moderator is more of an abstraction.
    In fact, we need one to play, but that's not what I'm talking about.
    Btw, it indeed depends on the moderator, but this shouldn't be a problem if you get the essence of the game from the examples I gave

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    Piano -> smooth white pieces -> egg 3 steps bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Is “pi-a-no” a noun or an adjective?
    I don't really know. But it's the same essence of a word

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Piano -> smooth white pieces -> egg 3 steps bitch
    you got it right, even though "smooth white pieces -> egg" is a somewhat weak connection, but I would accept it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    you got it right!
    Ok well I only have 2D Ne so your test is more broken than eggs thrown into piano keys with the shells sprinkled onto someone’s anus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I don't really know. But it's the same essence of a word
    Lmao

    Your explanation of the rules of this game is incredibly inconsistent and comes across like you’re just changing the rules every time somebody makes a connection you don’t like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Lmao

    Your explanation of the rules of this game is incredibly inconsistent and comes across like you’re just changing the rules every time somebody makes a connection you don’t like.
    I see how you see it, but people here are not really getting the game. I have pretty weak Ti/Te so I prefer to rely on examples and letting people absorb it.
    It would take me some work to make a perfect description, I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Ok well I only have 2D Ne so your test is more broken than eggs thrown into piano keys with the shells sprinkled onto someone’s anus
    Why? Because of one example? Btw, if you tried to follow the template, I'm not sure you would find it easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Ok well I only have 2D Ne so your test is more broken than eggs thrown into piano keys with the shells sprinkled onto someone’s anus
    A true intuitive would have directly grasped the conceptual eggness of a piano without a need for an intermediate shared similarity.

    Actually, that does sound more like Ni than Ne. C&M is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    Why? Because of one example? Btw, if you tried to follow the template, I'm not sure you would find it easy.
    How did she not follow the template?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    A true intuitive would have directly grasped the conceptual eggness of a piano without a need for an intermediate shared similarity.

    Actually, that does sound more like Ni than Ne. C&M is right.
    Who said I didn't grasp any of that?
    That's not the purpose of the game. The cool thing is that you need to move through different objects and get to a connection from apparent unconnected ideas/objects

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I see how you see it, but people here are not really getting the game. I have pretty weak Ti/Te so I prefer to rely on examples and letting people absorb it.
    It would take me some work to make a perfect description, I suppose
    There just are no rules, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    There just are no rules, apparently.
    I thought it would be easier for you guys to play it because I tested this game with my LII sister (according to people on this forum) and she instantly grasped the idea behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    internetless hobbies includes piano, but piano doesnt "-->" internetless hobbies (this is not inherently connected to it)
    I don’t see how “internetless hobby” is any more or less connected to “piano” than “smooth white keys”, besides being a literal physical aspect of the piano. But I don’t see how it being physical makes it more validly connected necessarily, and you don’t have that in the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I thought it would be easier for you guys to play it because I tested this game with my LII sister (according to people on this forum) and she instantly grasped the idea behind it.
    Well obviously somebody who sees you every day is used to your bullshit antics. She’s only one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Well obviously somebody who sees you every day is used to your bullshit antics. She’s only one example.
    Yeah, you're right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    Who said I didn't grasp any of that?
    That's not the purpose of the game. The cool thing is that you need to move through different objects and get to a connection from apparent unconnected ideas/objects
    It was a poor attempt at a joke. I didn’t mean to imply anything about you. Comparisons of two items necessarily require a third item with which to measure — you can only compare two people with respect to their height, or intelligence, or eye color, or so on, if that makes sense.

    The problem with your idea is that it’s usually possible to find some sort of similarity between two objects or concepts directly, and when the goal is to make connections in as few moves as possible, everyone, regardless of Ne stacking, is going to respond in 2 or sometimes 3 jumps.

    If you actually want to test Ne through a game like this, it would be better to see if they enjoy making these kinds of connections in an absurd number of moves, as unpredictably as possible.
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