Responses to COVID-19

[Metamorph]

economical interests (theyre not isolated cases, even in EU)

The real question is why are we measuring our countries relative to other countries like it's some kind of cold war? "Let's stay on lockdown so we don't become Italy!" is the kind of thing I hear. The thing is, it's not possible to do a lockdown long-term, and I'm not sure it's possible to actually avoid anything by doing a lockdown short-term since the risks are clearly long-term risks. If Sweden has a death rate twice as high as other Scandinavian countries but then it levels off quickly while other countries' are still growing, Sweden might come out on top. It's hard to maintain a health care system in a crashed economy, never mind that if you're just keeping people on their deathbeds for a few weeks longer, they're not going to be seeing their relatives' graduations and new businesses and things like that because that's exactly what the lockdowns have been stopping.

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The real question is why are we measuring our countries relative to other countries like it's some kind of cold war? "Let's stay on lockdown so we don't become Italy!" is the kind of thing I hear. The thing is, it's not possible to do a lockdown long-term, and I'm not sure it's possible to actually avoid anything by doing a lockdown short-term since the risks are clearly long-term risks. If Sweden has a death rate twice as high as other Scandinavian countries but then it levels off quickly while other countries' are still growing, Sweden might come out on top. It's hard to maintain a health care system in a crashed economy, never mind that if you're just keeping people on their deathbeds for a few weeks longer, they're not going to be seeing their relatives' graduations and new businesses and things like that because that's exactly what the lockdowns have been stopping.

these collapses happened before, in times of war public health is always kept on the frontline and has number one priority. in our current case the irony is that the health system became the same as an army, protectors become our soldiers.

economy will suck for long, it's not like it didn't suck before, especially it sucked because of its pyramidal flowing, but economy is not the only thing. if EU is in some cases an example of human richness and rights, it's ironic to see how these values have been put aside in favor of economy, the economy of the state, not that of the people. no surprise to see this greed in those countries that are an example of social democracy, social democracies based on money.

paradigm shifting times

[FDG]

Italy and Spain's health care systems were overwhelmed because they were underfunded to begin with.

Italy was overwhelmed basically in one specific region, near Milan. Our government is making this much bigger than it is because they want to get money from the EU.

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I understand the argument that we need to keep countries' health systems from being overwhelmed, but last I checked, the death rate from the virus in the general population is 0.37%, so I don't think the health system would be overwhelmed in most countries, and I think Italy and Spain's health care systems were overwhelmed because they were underfunded to begin with.

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

[FreelancePoliceman]

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

Five percent? Do you have a source for that?

[Ryan]

Five percent? Do you have a source for that?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...110-8/fulltext

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...-from-covid-19

[FreelancePoliceman]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...110-8/fulltext

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...-from-covid-19

Thanks! I haven’t fully looked at the data in the second link (so perhaps you linked me bogus!) but the majority of people I’ve been hearing IRL have been talking about this virus is a “statistical blip” compared to the flu, so I was surprised when I saw an estimate that high. And when I looked it up myself the first few links I clicked were older articles giving an estimate of around 3%. Not that that isn’t a lot.

I’m morbidly curious to see how many people actually do end up dying.

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Five percent? Do you have a source for that?

number of deaths/ number of total cases %... it's higher than 5% but let's be optimistic

[FDG]

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

The fatality rate changes a lot depending on the age of who has the virus, basically under 40 years of age you have more chance of dying by a car accident, above 75 you should avoid this virus otherwise it's quite likely that you'll die. A sensical policy would have tried to protect those above let's say 65, especially those placed in elderly care institutions.

But I know this information will be of no interest to anybody, decisions have been made and minds have been brainwashed.

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The fatality rate changes a lot depending on the age of who has the virus, basically under 40 years of age you have more chance of dying by a car accident, above 75 you should avoid this virus otherwise it's quite likely that you'll die. A sensical policy would have tried to protect those above let's say 65, especially those placed in elderly care institutions.

But I know this information will be of no interest to anybody, decisions have been made and minds have been brainwashed.

[Sol]

It's known a few why only some people die, why many have no hard symptoms and how all develops on longer times. If to take some infections which are kept in calm state, then there is one possibility. The current death rates do not take into account that virus may stay in a body for long, to be reactivated after a time and to kill even without hard symptoms. You also may get a reactivated virus from people which show no symptoms.

This virus was made as biological weapon in USA and probably spreaded intentionally. It may have surprises.

[FDG]

This virus was made as biological weapon in USA and probably spreaded intentionally. It may have surprises.

That's very unlikely. What's likely is that was being studied in that lab in Wuhan and it spread out unintentionally.

[FDG]

That's actually what I said.