Responses to COVID-19

[Metamorph]

What do you think about Sweden and the Netherlands' response?

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economical interests (theyre not isolated cases, even in EU)

[Metamorph]

economical interests (theyre not isolated cases, even in EU)

The real question is why are we measuring our countries relative to other countries like it's some kind of cold war? "Let's stay on lockdown so we don't become Italy!" is the kind of thing I hear. The thing is, it's not possible to do a lockdown long-term, and I'm not sure it's possible to actually avoid anything by doing a lockdown short-term since the risks are clearly long-term risks. If Sweden has a death rate twice as high as other Scandinavian countries but then it levels off quickly while other countries' are still growing, Sweden might come out on top. It's hard to maintain a health care system in a crashed economy, never mind that if you're just keeping people on their deathbeds for a few weeks longer, they're not going to be seeing their relatives' graduations and new businesses and things like that because that's exactly what the lockdowns have been stopping.

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The real question is why are we measuring our countries relative to other countries like it's some kind of cold war? "Let's stay on lockdown so we don't become Italy!" is the kind of thing I hear. The thing is, it's not possible to do a lockdown long-term, and I'm not sure it's possible to actually avoid anything by doing a lockdown short-term since the risks are clearly long-term risks. If Sweden has a death rate twice as high as other Scandinavian countries but then it levels off quickly while other countries' are still growing, Sweden might come out on top. It's hard to maintain a health care system in a crashed economy, never mind that if you're just keeping people on their deathbeds for a few weeks longer, they're not going to be seeing their relatives' graduations and new businesses and things like that because that's exactly what the lockdowns have been stopping.

these collapses happened before, in times of war public health is always kept on the frontline and has number one priority. in our current case the irony is that the health system became the same as an army, protectors become our soldiers.

economy will suck for long, it's not like it didn't suck before, especially it sucked because of its pyramidal flowing, but economy is not the only thing. if EU is in some cases an example of human richness and rights, it's ironic to see how these values have been put aside in favor of economy, the economy of the state, not that of the people. no surprise to see this greed in those countries that are an example of social democracy, social democracies based on money.

paradigm shifting times

[FDG]

Italy and Spain's health care systems were overwhelmed because they were underfunded to begin with.

Italy was overwhelmed basically in one specific region, near Milan. Our government is making this much bigger than it is because they want to get money from the EU.

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I understand the argument that we need to keep countries' health systems from being overwhelmed, but last I checked, the death rate from the virus in the general population is 0.37%, so I don't think the health system would be overwhelmed in most countries, and I think Italy and Spain's health care systems were overwhelmed because they were underfunded to begin with.

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

[FreelancePoliceman]

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

Five percent? Do you have a source for that?

[FDG]

the fatality rate has been around a 5% consistently since the start of the pandemic, and the most developed countries of the world have started to take extreme measures because they wouldn't have been able to deal with the weight this would charge on the public life. Italy's example's an interesting one because the greatest size of the contagions happened in the most developed regions of the country, regions that are between the most advanced in Europe, which is to say, they're between the most advanced in the world. it's no secret either that the vast majority of countries are unchecking cases or hiding their data, which is done for strictly political/economic reasons.

you need a lot of data to analyze the situation and unfortunately a shallow analysis about "the right to get out of home, the right to happiness", doesn't hold any justice in a situation like this, because it's exceptional. who fucking cares if you get bored at home, aha, sorry, but there are people losing their lives.

The fatality rate changes a lot depending on the age of who has the virus, basically under 40 years of age you have more chance of dying by a car accident, above 75 you should avoid this virus otherwise it's quite likely that you'll die. A sensical policy would have tried to protect those above let's say 65, especially those placed in elderly care institutions.

But I know this information will be of no interest to anybody, decisions have been made and minds have been brainwashed.

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don't holla @ us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Muddy]

I think we should either tackle it HARD like China, or ignore it almost entirely and rough through it. In western countries were currently dealing with in a very half-assed manner that's doing severe damage to the economy while at the same time not completely stopping it from spreading. What's the point of closing hair shops and movie theaters if we still got loads of people walking around in grocery stores and gas stations without mask? Governments need to act decisively or not at all.

[FDG]

Basically they're less insane than Italy or Spain (remember in Italy they're using helicopters to spot people running alone on the beach, so we're not talking about anything that makes sense), but a probably Sweden should have closed restaurants and such. I don't think cinemas or universities or schools should open now, that doesn't seem like a good idea, big classrooms are basically the place where people get sick with viruses and such.

[Ryan]

Japan has the highest number of hospital beds, 1.3% of the population. Average occupancy rate in normal times is 75%. The hospitalization rate for the flu is 1/10 of 1% of all cases whereas the rate for COVID-19 is about 10%. Italy has a death rate of 7.7% among the infected. If you can't understand the gravity of the situation yet, at least appreciate the fact that every government in the world has decided to put everything on hold to deal with the virus.

Relaxing the restrictions too early, or not applying them at all, is dangerous. Case in point Singapore.

Singapore had a model coronavirus response, then cases spiked. What happened?

COVID-19 death toll in NJ already equals 3 combined years of flu

But people will believe whatever they want.

[Metamorph]

Here's an update on Sweden's handling of the coronavirus: Can You Beat COVID-19 Without a Lockdown? Sweden Is Trying

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yeah, Vanity Fair...

here's how you contain the virus in Sweden:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/s...n-intensivvard

For those with a biological age over 80, intensive care is not required, according to the document. The same applies to people over 70 who have significant failure in more than one organ system. Persons between 60 and 70 who have failed in more than two organ systems should also be given priority.
For example, organ failure may be about people with heart, lung, and kidney diseases. (Respiration, circulation, renal function, as stated in the document).
The document also states that patients who are already in intensive care should be able to have the intensive care interrupted if they belong to any of the above categories.

[leckysupport]

Deeply unethical and misguided, may lead to significant social unrest.

[Chthonic Daydream]

Deeply unethical and misguided, may lead to significant social unrest.

And I hope it does, for the better. We are losing people dear to us and suffering the psycholgical, social and economical consequences of our lives being put in stasis. This will be a lost year and a tragic one, and people shouldn't forget who deserves standing ovations and who deserves to be led to the guillotine.

If a virulent plague that spread uncontrollably amidst political inaction doesn't serve as the perfect incentive for people to take action, I don't know what will.

[wendywicked280]

AstraZeneca seeks U.S. authorisation of drug to prevent COVID-19. AstraZeneca (AZN.L) has requested emergency use authorisation from U.S. regulators for its new treatment to prevent COVID-19 for people who respond poorly to vaccines because of a weakened immune system.


In a statement on Tuesday, the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker said it included data in its filing with the Food and Drug Administration from a late-stage trial that showed the drug reduced the risk of people developing any COVID-19 symptoms by 77%.


The antibody therapy called AZD7442 could protect people who do not have a strong enough immune response to COVID-19 vaccines or to supplement a vaccination course for those, such as military personnel, who need to booster their protection further, AstraZeneca has said.


While vaccines rely on an intact immune system to develop targeted antibodies and infection-fighting cells, AZD7442 contains lab-made antibodies designed to linger in the body for months to contain the virus in case of an infection.








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