wanting to be "defined"

[remiges]

It's just a perpetual game of cat and mouse, since the socionics concept of duality seems to extend into other aspects of relationships and other aspects of life, so the liar is always looking out for their "dual", the complimentary yet conflicting opposite, who is going to find them out.

In socionics sense, types that have inert intuition, which lends into wishful kind of thinking, are paired up with types that have inert sensing and a much more concrete perception of the world, which could create to such a relational dynamic, but this extends well beyond Ni/Se ego relationships e.g. Ne lead ILEs are paired with Si lead SEIs, Ne h.a. LSEs are paired with Si h.a. EIIs and so on.

Yes, that is sort of what I was meaning here with the cat and mouse. This is true.

For me, personally, I would consider myself incredibly romantic (though I do not show this to many people in my life), I am an idealist and have more than once caught myself doing some stupid shit because “it seemed like a good idea.” I think I need a good dose of “stop being a moron, no, that can’t be, wake up from your stupid dreams and stop just making more shit up.” lol

Do you have any sources about inert sensing and inert intuition? I ended up reading some article using IEE as an example but it did not seem to quite fit what you were saying here... thanks in advance.

[silke]

Yes, that is sort of what I was meaning here with the cat and mouse. This is true.

For me, personally, I would consider myself incredibly romantic (though I do not show this to many people in my life), I am an idealist and have more than once caught myself doing some stupid shit because “it seemed like a good idea.” I think I need a good dose of “stop being a moron, no, that can’t be, wake up from your stupid dreams and stop just making more shit up.” lol

Do you have any sources about inert sensing and inert intuition? I ended up reading some article using IEE as an example but it did not seem to quite fit what you were saying here... thanks in advance.

It's up on Wiki: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...tact_and_Inert
What did you read about IEEs that didn't fit the bill? I was reading Strati's typical -Fi bashing-of-the-types and she was saying it's almost impossible for IEEs not to lie. Having extensive experience with this type I'd say there is something to this, and it likely has to do with the permutative quality of their leading Ne.

There is another, enneagram aspect to it as I've seen this question being asked on enneagram forums and 9's won the lying competition hands down, outside of 3's whose "cardinal vice" is supposed to be deceit.

[remiges]

It's up on Wiki: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...tact_and_Inert
What did you read about IEEs that didn't fit the bill? I was reading Strati's typical -Fi bashing-of-the-types and she was saying it's almost impossible for IEEs not to lie. Having extensive experience with this type I'd say there is something to this, and it likely has to do with the permutative quality of their leading Ne.

There is another, enneagram aspect to it as I've seen this question being asked on enneagram forums and 9's won the lying competition hands down, outside of 3's whose "cardinal vice" is supposed to be deceit.

Thanks for the link. The article I read did not really explain the actual core concept of contact and inert, though I admit I got bored reading it, so perhaps I went right over it. I'll read it again sometime.

(Since you mentioned enneagram, I wonder if I am actually 9 or just a miserable 3. Leaning to the latter. Though I suppose your point stands either way... thanks again.)