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This virus infection typically spreads at an average rate of double per 4 days. The death toll is going to end up a lot higher than the numbers you have listed. A conservative estimate of the number of people that are going to die in the US is 480,000. That's at the low end. High end will be 1.7 million. More than likely the virus is just going to keep spreading until we establish herd immunity. There are a lot of people greatly underestimating this. It's a very rational anxiety. Most people have family members that are at high risk factor. Panic is bad, but people should be a bit afraid.
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The media and politicians (all of them) in my country went in the time frame of a few days (to hours) from Don't panic! It's just like a regular flu to Oh, fuck, it's exponential growth.
I didn't say there weren't reasons to be cautious. I even mentioned my own. I am also aware the numbers will rise, especially among the old and people with compromised immune systems.
I am sure you are aware that chronic stress can ravage the immune system so I won't be looking up studies to prove it but they are out there if anyone wants to look into it. Even a little stress can lower our resistance to disease. If someone wants to stress themselves out about it then there is nothing I can do about it. I didn't say not to take precautions. My suggestion to get psychological help stands if you are experiencing anxiety and stress due to the virus.
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I was buying toilet paper yesterday and even here in Sweden the supply was pretty scarce, not a lot left. Coronavirus has ppl going mental. It's important to die with a clean ass I guess?
Yes, this is confirmed! We have severe preventive restrictions now because of exactly this reason. But these numbers you posted I haven't seen yet. That actually explains why the situation in Italy got so out of hand now and health care system is basically collapsing in Northern parts of the country if they still don't test broadly enough :/
I don't care about the coronavirus, I have nothing to fear with Jesus on my side, I also hate everyone and I never leave the house so the risk isn't very high for me
Hm, thank you. Italy has more cases than SK though, so even if that was the case... we still have higher numbers of cases on the older population. We have more tests running in the affected parts of the country too.
This chart can actually show why SK is the country with least deaths. If they don't test old people thoroughly, many old people can die without entering in the sad virus list.
Testing is expensive as it is expensive to run the tests and take the adequate measures for the positive cases (unfortunately Italy has a sad primacy in this); what's even more expensive is to completely block the country, but all of these are necessary steps we're taking in order to protect our community.
I've had to cancel many important things in the last 2/3 weeks, I've lost a lot of money, hopes, opportunities... I felt at my lowest and at the same time I had to reassure the people close to me, feeling worse than me. It wasn't easy. It won't get easier any time soon. But this too is an opportunity, a huge one. I'm recharging. Globally the world is recharging, breathing, getting cleaner, while we reduce our needs to what is essential. These limits we can't overcome, these limitations imposed on us are stripping away all the noise and refine what we hold dearest. It's a time for our minds to shift views, we're finding ourselves so fragile and for this hopefully we'll become stronger.
(and as I'm typing this, people are singing and playing music from their windows )
The hoarding scares me more than the pandemic, I'm kinda getting anxious about running out of something and not being able to refill. Kinda makes me want to hoard too, what bullshit.
Sounds like there might be several Italian members of the forum? @FDG is the only person I "know" that I knew was from Italy, so he's been in my thoughts with all that's going on. Hope all y'all Italian forum members are doing good. A post about sensationalistic press is reassuring cuz if there is still talk about people overreacting and stuff even in Italy, that's a good thing, lol.
I half-watch the news over breakfast and my gestalt this morning from the experts was, "we're starting to have pretty good preventative measures, and looking back and saying we overreacted would be a good scenario." Sounds good.
I agree that turning out to have overreacted is not bad EXCEPT when it comes to things like hoarding goods that other people need, like @phi mentioned. Wtf people. I was at Walgreens not long ago and some guy was complaining that finally, after going to 4 stores, he could buy medicine for his sick kid. Don't fill your closet with shit like that, rude motherfuckers.
man, so I've been hearing about that and I feel kind of bad. I've been feeling a bit weak for two weeks and thought it was allergies, but I'm pretty sure I had a fever two nights when I went to sleep and I've been visiting my mom who is 70.
Now I'm not coughing and I'm not the type to yell and spit in people's faces, but I'm not sure that matters. It might just be the regular flu, but I keep hearing how some people have mild or no symptoms and it makes me wonder. The flu usually effects me differently and a cold has never made me feel this fatigued. It would be nice if I could actually buy a mask to prevent others from getting sick, but all the people freaked out and bought masks for healthy people...I guess I'll look into getting tested...if I'm positive they might have to close work, especially since people have been getting sick there since February. (but maybe it's the flu)
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South Korea run 250,000 tests, Italy 90,000. But 200,000 of the South Korean tests were called only for a religious sect in Daegu that is considered to be the hotbed of the covid in South Korea. Considering that 3/4 of the Korean population is below 40 years old, and that Italy's median age is much older, it makes sense that all these cases were found distributed as they are, because very probably, the infections in the sect respect the same distribution of the population. In Italy there's another reality, also it looks like we're testing people more broadly.
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At the moment it really depends on where you live. There's some cities in the north (near Milan) where a lot of people are in intensive care so it's really dangerous if you catch it now because they don't have any places left for you. Otoh some other cities have quite low numbers (say 200 infected in a population of 500k) so it's still manageable.
HOWEVER everyone in every city/town has to stay at home, all the shops are closed etc. - I still think it's too much and the press is overloading people with numbers like "1500 dead" - here in Italy we count every co-morbid death as COVID death, the opposite of what some other european countries (like Germany) are doing, thus our numbers are sky-high.
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well I can't help but praise what Italy is doing, even if it caused me harm and losses and psychological breakdowns, but what else should we do? watch the world getting on its knees, blocking contacts with everyone and then behave like everything's alright within our untested little circle (like Germany, France, UK)? nonsense.
it's a time of responsibilities and the sooner we realize the less damage we'll face. it should have become pretty obvious already that we're all connected in this, if Asians behave weird, we'll face the consequences, as we're doing now... countries that act like the problem is of someone else's only are very stupid and dangerous.
Italy's testing more than everyone, especially those with symptoms, no surprise we find more cases, more deaths, and yet ignorant people still come to tell me "ahah! Italy dirty! you don't wash your hands!" yeah.. that must be why UK is doing alright, lol
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Italy still isn't doing enough. I'm pretty sure you need all the doctors in the country and probably more. Including the places that you are saying have low numbers.
Why would you even risk getting fucked more than you already are? It takes only one careless person to infect hundreds.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...ases-to-double
The number of cases doubles every 4 days in Italy. That is huge.
China's numbers are down to 34 days and S. Korea 14 days.
We don't have more than 100 cases in the UAE and we still closed down pretty much everything a long while ago.
WHO is recommending 14 days of quarantine for each case due to the nature of the virus. You can see why Italy's numbers are problematic.
No in places with low numbers there´s almost no need for additional doctors. In places with really high numbers, doctors aren´t enough. I am sure that you are deeply familiar with the healthcare system of my home country, right?
They are doubling in specific places, that´s what I´m telling you and it´s the whole point of my post. You should isolate those regions and let the others go on with their daily business with more precautions (I live in one of the regions who would be isolated frt, so I wouldn´t benefit from this differentiation).Why would you even risk getting fucked more than you already are? It takes only one careless person to infect hundreds.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...ases-to-double
The number of cases doubles every 4 days in Italy. That is huge.
China's numbers are down to 34 days and S. Korea 14 days.
We don't have more than 100 cases in the UAE and we still closed down pretty much everything a long while ago.
WHO is recommending 14 days of quarantine for each case due to the nature of the virus. You can see why Italy's numbers are problematic.
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The whole country is connected. If you are in need of doctors in certain regions, every one else is going to suffer. You still have other high priority cases in hospitals that are unrelated to CORONA.
I'm not the one rating Italy's response. These are the facts on the ground.
It's doubling everywhere. The only difference is the rate of spread, which is going to be just as bad everywhere else if people aren't halting their usual business.They are doubling in specific places, that´s what I´m telling you and it´s the whole point of my post. You should isolate those regions and let the others go on with their daily business with more precautions (I live in one of the regions who would be isolated frt, so I wouldn´t benefit from this differentiation).
I'm not sure what kind of restrictions you want to be lifted in light of everything we know.
It's pretty ignorant of you to accuse us with misread data. All of Italy's been blocked for a whole week now, after 3 weeks of target containment, no other countries had decided to do the same before, China, South Korea, UAE havent been/ are not so extreme. And you accuse us of what? Of running more tests and keeping the population in check more than others.
Hint: the rate of spread is proportional to the tests conducted...uhh.
Sure is nationalistic here.
Everyone is calling Italy's response as one of the worst and you are making excuses for it. Three weeks ago Italy only had three cases. Now it has more than 10,000. They were slow to stop mass gatherings.
Schools closed here before Italy even acknowledged the situation.
As usual there's all kind of people around who can't use their brains ; )
we stopped mass gatherings in February.Three weeks ago Italy only had three cases. Now it has more than 10,000. They were slow to stop mass gatherings.
schools in here started to close from February 22. In UAE they closed on March 8. Mass gathering in UAE stopped last week too.Schools closed here before Italy even acknowledged the situation.
Low bait. I'm not sure why people feel the need to defend their country. I've never felt that blind nationalistic pride, unlike my peers/friends, so I can't really relate.
Not everywhere.we stopped mass gatherings in February.
Only in Lombardy. All schools in Italy closed in March when the death toll reached 100. We still have no deaths. The situation in both countries is very different.schools in here started to close from February 22. In UAE they closed on March 8. Mass gathering in UAE stopped last week too.
Keep rolling your eyes though if it makes you feel better.
I'm pretty sure the numbers will increase here as well. I just hope we are doing enough to slow it down, because once it gets to a certain point it's almost impossible to control.
No worries. I was going to drop out anyway. It's a sensitive subject and while I love to debate, this isn't the time for it.
I hope the situation in Italy improves soon. While I've never been to Italy, I'm in love with the culture and have cheered for your national team in every world cup since 1998. I'm a die hard Cannavaro fan.
You simply have no idea how our country is structured. Doctors who are responsible in a certain region do not move around to other places "in need" - they stay where they are. Moreover, some places are not connected to the places where most of the infection is "spreading" because they have more of a local economy without much industry.
I´ll leave the discussion now because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
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