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Bored? Help me find my DCNH subtype (video)
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Last edited by Aria; 06-22-2020 at 06:17 PM.
Based on your link
I'd say a robot and therefore normalizing.
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@Heretic 007, working now?
Last edited by Aria; 01-25-2020 at 10:52 PM.
It's working and .... you're giving off creative subtype vibes. Which is an interesting combination for an e1.Originally Posted by Emily
edit: actually change that to Harmonizing
Last edited by silke; 01-25-2020 at 11:28 PM.
Thanks @silke. At this point I can see any of the types except Normalizing...but yeah, leaning towards Harmonizing. Was curious if anyone else would see that, too, or if I'd get an insight that would help me see a blind spot.
Hmm yeah as you have mentioned yourself in the video you're not ignoring, and since you don't VI/speak like a D-subtype that only leaves Harmonizing on the table.
On a typing sidenote, you might also take a closer look at the instincual stacking, bc you VI like syn-flow so/sx and not the contra flow sx/so.
I wonder if it's just the Fe coming through? Or being a little nervous, I wasn't fully myself.
I toy with the idea of So/Sx every so often. Have had people close to me IRL confirm they think I'm Sexual, but it's hard to know which area I feel the issues most strongly since I've had seasons where one instinct feels harder or more "triggered" than in another season. I looked at Beatrice Chestnut's descriptions of the Social One as "Non-Adaptability" and Sexual One as "Zeal" and didn't find much clarity there, but I resonate with the idea of being a countertype
Last edited by Aria; 01-26-2020 at 05:57 AM.
You don't seem to fit H or C.
Anyways there are presubtyped IEI's.
Dominant: Renata Litinova https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zP8dFR9tSA
Creative: SergeyZverev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arvUE_7dHGQ
Normalizing: Gregory Vitsin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHxzr74jZQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPlM9wm01Jk
Harmonizing: Oleg Mityaev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyQZaotoUE
I think your organization fits best with dominant – the most financially capable IEI.
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The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life, I could see dominant considering the financially capable piece. I am pretty driven with my business and with goals in general.
Those are Gulenko's own typings from his machine translated website.The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life
https://socioniks.net/famouspeople
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Yeah very business-like style. Also very driven style in the video. That is a lot for Te PoLR.The bathtub! The cat! Lol, where are these videos from? Thanks for your input...even though the cat video is more like my own life
Another normalizing here IEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Aeh7CwxNw - kind of grounding and withdrawn thinking you are quite far and it actually looks like you would "appreciate" this sort of "dictation".
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the problem with the three dichotomies is that depending on your type you might not relate that much with them.
contact types don't fear dangerous situations, and that doesn't mean social anxiety, but life threatening situations. their body releases adrenaline and noradrenalin, which makes them move towards a source of potential dangers, while distant types try to get away from a source of danger. (most women in my opinion fall into the distant dichotomy, which probably has biological reasons). contact types even look for this sort of thrill, regularily provoking arguments with others etc.
terminating and initiating is a bit tricky depending on your rational/irrational dichotomy. terminating irrationals won't plan everything through, but they are able to set goals and go through with them on a long term basis. intitiating subtypes can be compared to sprinters. they move forward to tackle new problems, but it is difficult for them to bring things to completion when they get bored or lose interest. terminating subtypes can for example study something for a long period of time simply out of responsibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2c7ajzZ4zk
connecting/ignoring can also be tricky if you are an ethical type, because you are constantly aware of the emotional atmosphere around you. what it means is more that you pay attention to external factors that change in your enviroment, and if the opinions of others influence your decisions or not.
from your 2 minute video, my intuition got the impression that you are a normalising subtype.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
This is usually me if I really want something. I think it's what has enabled me to be so self-sufficient, but self-sufficiency can also make you look like you never need anything...trying to get better about that.
I'll have to think on this one more...my Ni is hard to sway and I've pretty much always followed my own path, but I can see how others' opinions have influenced me if we're really close.connecting/ignoring can also be tricky if you are an ethical type, because you are constantly aware of the emotional atmosphere around you. what it means is more that you pay attention to external factors that change in your enviroment, and if the opinions of others influence your decisions or not.
And now one vote for normalizing! @Heretic 007 noticed I seem driven (which I am), is that common for normalising?from your 2 minute video, my intuition got the impression that you are a normalising subtype.
Hey thanks for taking the time to contribute your knowledge, I appreciate itI'm curious if you've experienced a change in subtype in your own life?
I have always been a creative subtype. I've noticed subtype changes among my family and friends, but it was usually during a life changing event. I would say that dominant subtypes are very unlikely to browse this website, since they have a low focus on introverted functions and are therefore not very self-reflective (it's a hindrance for dominant behaviour). they are usualls out there improving the efficiency of their enviromentThis is usually me if I really want something. I think it's what has enabled me to be so self-sufficient, but self-sufficiency can also make you look like you never need anything...trying to get better about that.
I'll have to think on this one more...my Ni is hard to sway and I've pretty much always followed my own path, but I can see how others' opinions have influenced me if we're really close.
And now one vote for normalizing! @Heretic 007 noticed I seem driven (which I am), is that common for normalising?
Hey thanks for taking the time to contribute your knowledge, I appreciate it
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects
subtypes is non-Socionics nonsense
Hi, @Sol. Nice to see you again.
And no, subtypes are not nonsense. They go a long way towards explaining why the ESI-Fi types drift towards me and the ESI-Se subtypes are irritated by me. Lol.
This is how I type IEI subtypes:
Dominant IEI: Maria Veitola, Finnish talk show host
Creative IEI: Roman Polanski, movie director
Normalizing IEI: this guy, gardener
Harmonizing IEI: Emmanuelle Seigner, actress
Hope it helps. Just my 2 cents
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Do you have videos like that of all of the types? Harmonizing IEI kind of reminded me of Lana Del Rey
There does seem to be a dreamy, remote, suggestible quality to both of them.
Not of all types and not right now. But Im sure with some help we can find dcnh videos of one type. Which type are you intetested in?
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Thanks @Tallmo. I have a hard time seeing myself fully in any of them because I think I've had to act more like Harmonizing for survival/acceptance reasons during my upbringing. Having a "stronger" temperament wasn't valued. I do think I can rule out Harmonizing for myself, and lean towards Normalizing or Creative. I've always been pretty introspective, which doesn't seem to coincide with Dominant...but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I need to get my hands on Gulenko's book! Have you read it?
No I havent read it. I have observed dcnh irl for the last 10 years. The thing is that dcnh only starts to make sense when you have interacted with all 4 subtypes many times (and with different sociotypes) and learn how they are different, and how you react to them.
Remember that people with the same sociotype+dcnh can still be very different. So nothing strange about not being able to identify with the videos I posted.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
you look N. more F
INFP can to be
while subtypes are baseless heresy. the variant of them you asked was fantasied by Gulenko from nowhere. it's not Socionics
the only what relates - there can be different level of functions what may be called as kind of subtypes. but there is no special theory to get the use from this and no good methods to measure such differences. it's practically useless
I wouldn't type you as IEI to start with.
What's another type you would consider?
EII.
I can understand that typing, but there's no way I'm Fe ignoring. Before I knew how to manage it better, growing up my high empathy caused me to struggle being in environments or around people that were too emotionally charged. My coping mechanism for that was to adapt who I was or try to put on a positive face to be more likable. I don't know any EIIs like that.
Not battle typing here, but Fe ppl are often those who are "too emotionally charged". Most EII I know are somehow like you describe (especially when young). Fe leads don't try to adapt to other's moods and The IEIs I know try also to manipulate, tune or set emotions in ppl. IEIs are aware of how ppl treat them o react to their emotional energy, but they are not terrified of emotionally charged ppl. They themselves attempt to charge or influence emotionally ppl.
This is a pic of a friend of mine who's EII. (Please don't download or quote) You remind me a lot of her, not from appearance but for how do you speak, move, etc.
Anyway, that said I won't discuss your type further I'm just giving my opinion but is up to you what you decide to type.
Last edited by Faith; 06-04-2020 at 07:19 PM. Reason: paragraphs
Idk, I don’t care about DCNH but I know she’s an IEI.
I just finished Gulenko's IEI section and I think you would be normalizing or harmonizing Emily.
Really want to read it! It's sitting in my Amazon cart....just looking at me...
@Aylen do u have the rest of the IEs also?
I buried the link in my last post but here is the whole thing from the site.
To give a complete description of a person's psychological type, we refer to both the attitude and function type. For example a person may be described as an Extraverted Feeling type, or an Introverted Intuitive Thinking type.
When two functions are described, it is useful to indicate which is dominant and which is auxiliary. For example Extraverted Sensory Feeling might be expressed with either (1) Sensation dominant and Feeling auxiliary, or (2) Feeling dominant and Sensation auxiliary.
In the following descriptions, only the eight major types are considered, in which there is one dominant function. Mixed types (where there is both a dominant and auxiliary function) may be understood as combinations of the two corresponding major types. Thus an Introverted Intuitive Thinking type may be seen as a combination of Introverted Intuition and Introverted Thinking. If Intuition is the dominant function, then Introverted Intuition will predominate over Introverted Thinking.
The Extraverted Sensation Type
Extraverted sensation strives for intensity of experience derived from concrete objects and physical activities. Consciousness is therefore directed outward to those objects and activities that may be expected to arouse the strongest sensations.
The extraverted sensation type is a realist who seeks to experience as many concrete sensations as possible - preferably, but not necessarily, ones that are pleasurable. These experiences are seen as ends in themselves and are rarely utilized for any other purpose. If normal, such persons are sensualists or aesthetes who are attracted by the physical characteristics of objects and people. They dress, eat and entertain well, and can be very good company. Not at all reflective nor introspective, they have no ideals except sensory enoyment. They generally mistrust inner psychological processes and prefer to account for such things in terms of external events (e.g., they may blame their moods on the weather). If extreme, they are often crudely sensual and may exploit situations or others in order to increase their own personal pleasure. When neurotic, repressed intuition may be projected onto other people, so that they may become irrationally suspicious or jealous. Alternatively, they may develop a range of compulsive superstitions.
The Introverted Sensation Type
Introverted sensation is subjectively filtered. Perception is not based directly on the object, but is merely suggested by it. Instead, layers of subjective impressions are superimposed upon the image so that it becomes impossible to determine what will be perceived from a knowledge only of the object. Perception thus depends crucially upon internal psychological processes that will differ from one person to the next. At its most positive, introverted sensation is found in the creative artist. At its most extreme, it produces psychotic hallucinations and a total alienation from reality.
The introverted sensation type reacts subjectively to events in a way that is unrelated to objective criteria. Often this is seen as an inappropriate and uncalled-for overreaction. Because objects generally fail to penetrate directly the veil of subjective impressions, this type may seem neutral or indifferent to objective reality. Alternatively, the person may perceive the world as illusory or amusing. In extreme (psychotic) cases, this may result in an inability to distinguish illusion from reality. The subjective world of archaic images may then come to dominate consciousness completely, so that the person lives in a private, mythological realm of fantasy. Repressed intuition may also be expressed in vaguely imagined threats or an apprehension of sinister possibilities.
The Extraverted Intuition Type
Extraverted intuition attempts to envisage all the possibilities that are inherent in an objective situation. Ordinary events are seen as providing a cipher or set of clues from which underlying processes and hidden potentialities can be determined. Yet once these possibilities are apprehended, objects and events lose their meaning and import. There is therefore a constant need for new situations and experiences to provide a fresh stimulus for the intuitive process.
The extraverted intuition type is an excellent diagnostician and exploiter of situations. Such people see exciting possibilities in every new venture and are excellent at perceiving latent abilities in other people. They get carried away with the enthusiasm of their vision and often inspire others with the courage of their conviction. As such, they do well in occupations where these qualities are at a premium - for example in initiating new projects, in business, politics or the stock market. They are, however, easily bored and stifled by unchanging conditions. As a result they often waste their life and talents jumping from one activity to another in the search for fresh possibilities, failing to stick at any one project long enough to bring it to fruition. Furthermore, in their commitment to their own vision, they often show little regard for the needs, views or convictions of others. When neurotic, repressed sensation may cause this type to become compulsively tied to people, objects or activities that stir in them primitive sensations such as pleasure, pain or fear. The consequence of this can be phobias, hypochondriacal beliefs and a range of other compulsions.
The Introverted Intuition Type
Introverted intuition is directed inward to the contents of the unconscious. It attempts to fathom internal events by relating them to universal psychological processes or to other archetypal images. Consequently it generally has a mythical, symbolic or prophetic quality.
According to Jung, the introverted intuition type can be either an artist, seer or crank. Such a person has a visionary ideal that reveals strange, mysterious things. These are enigmatic, 'unearthly' people who stand aloof from ordinary society. They have little interest in explaining or rationalizing their personal vision, but are content merely to proclaim it. Partly as a result of this, they are often misunderstood. Although the vision of the artist among this type generally remains on the purely perceptual level, mystical dreamers or cranks may become caught up in theirs. The person's life then becomes symbolic, taking on the nature of a Great Work, mission or spiritual-moral quest. If neurotic, repressed sensation may express itself in primitive, instinctual ways and, like their extraverted counterparts, introverted intuitives often suffer from hypochondria and compulsions.
The Extraverted Thinking Type
Extraverted thinking is driven by the objective evidence of the senses or by objective (collective) ideas that derive from tradition or learning. Its purpose is to abstract conceptual relationships from objective experience, linking ideas together in a rational, logical fashion. Furthermore, any conclusions that are drawn are always directed outward to some objective product or practical outcome. Thinking is never carried out for its own sake, merely as some private, subjective enterprise.
The extraverted thinking type bases all actions on the intellectual analysis of objective data. Such people live by a general intellectual formula or universal moral code, founded upon abstract notions of truth or justice. They also expect other people to recognize and obey this formula. This type represses the feeling function (e.g., sentimental attachments, friendships, religious devotion) and may also neglect personal interests such as their own health or financial well-being. If extreme or neurotic, they may become petty, bigoted, tyrannical or hostile towards those who would threaten their formula. Alternatively, repressed tendencies may burst out in various kinds of personal 'immorality' (e.g., self-seeking, sexual misdemeanours, fraud or deception).
The Introverted Thinking Type
Introverted thinking is contemplative, involving an inner play of ideas. It is thinking for its own sake and is always directed inward to subjective ideas and personal convictions rather than outward to practical outcomes. The main concern of such thinking is to elaborate as fully as possible all the ramifications and implications of a seminal idea. As a consequence, introverted thinking can be complex, turgid and overly scrupulous. To the extent that it withdraws from objective reality, it may also become totally abstract, symbolic or mystical.
The introverted thinking type tends to be impractical and indifferent to objective concerns. These persons usually avoid notice and may seem cold, arrogant and taciturn. Alternatively, the repressed feeling function may express itself in displays of childish naivety. Generally people of this type appear caught up in their own ideas which they aim to think through as fully and deeply as possible. If extreme or neurotic they can become rigid, withdrawn, surly or brusque. They may also confuse their subjectively apprehended truth with their own personality so that any criticism of their ideas is seen as a personal attack. This may lead to bitterness or to vicious counterattacks against their critics.
The Extraverted Feeling Type
Extraverted feeling is based upon accepted or traditional social values and opinions. It involves a conforming, adjusting response to objective circumstances that strives for harmonious relations with the world. Because it depends so much on external stimuli rather than upon true subjective preferences, such feeling can sometimes seem cold, 'unfeeling', artificial or put on for effect.
The extraverted feeling type follows fashion and seeks to harmonize personal feelings with general social values. Thinking is always subordinate to feeling and is ignored or repressed if intellectual conclusions fail to confirm the convictions of the heart. When this type is extreme or neurotic, feeling may become gushing or extravagant and dependent upon momentary enthusiasms that may quickly turn about with changing circumstances. Such a person may therefore seem hysterical, fickle, moody or even to be suffering from multiple personality. Repressed thinking may also erupt in infantile, negative, obsessive ways. This can lead to the attribution of dreaded characteristics to the very objects or people that are most loved and valued.
The Introverted Feeling Type
Introverted feeling strives for an inner intensity that is unrelated to any external object. It devalues objective reality and is rarely displayed openly. When it does appear on the surface, it generally seems negative or indifferent. The focus of such feeling is upon inner processes and latent, primordial images. At its extreme, it may develop into mystical ecstasy.
The introverted feeling type is brooding and inaccessible, although may also hide behind a childish mask. Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others. The outer, surface appearance is often neutral, cold and dismissive. Inwardly, however, feelings are deep, passionately intense, and may accompany secret religious or poetic tendencies. The effect of all this on other people can be stifling and oppressive. When extreme or neurotic, this type may become domineering and vain. Negative repressed thinking may also be projected so that these persons may imagine they can know what others are thinking. This may develop into paranoia and into secret scheming rivalries.
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I like your earrings and shawl, I like wearing those sorts of things too : )
Normalizing seems like a good pick.
i thought your e-type fit pretty well, you sometimes remind me of my friend who was e1 (cant recall her wing atm), and you have the same sort of diplomatic nature as her...perhaps she also mistyped as 1 and was more like a 9, who can be pretty agreeable. i need to read up more on the theory, but if i had to wager a guess, i would say you are the iei-h subtype
Yeah, I think normalizing or harmonizing. When I think about it, E1 would fit normalizing better than harmonizing, I think.
I agree, the Harmonizing description seems a little more e9, more "live and let live, it'll work itself out." Can relax more than the Normalizing type and doesn't have as much of her own agenda.
Last edited by Aria; 06-14-2020 at 09:38 AM.
Normalizing.
Here's another N-IEI to compare with. He's a Finnish author. I posted it earlier in the chat.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I should expand on what I meant by "emotionally charged" as I didn't really flesh that out accurately. I do actually enjoy lively and dynamic emotional environments where people are free to be expressive, whether the emotions are positive or negative, but I can get tired from any heightened state after a while, probably because of introversion. The "emotionally charged" environment of my youth was more of an abusive one, and emotional expression (Fe) wasn't really allowed.
True, that could be a lot of types in childhood since kids do what they need to do to stay connected to acceptance and love.And that doesn't exclude EII.
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