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    Probably a bit too soon to have this, but I took just so I could follow the election more closely.

    For your result, it also gives (national?) party stats as well as Senate stats for your state. (I don't actually have a state).

    https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

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    Candidates

    Here are the candidates ranked from most to least similar to your beliefs.

    93%
    Democrat
    Elizabeth Warren
    Left Wing • Environmentalism • Progressive • Collectivism • Secular • Tender • Multiculturalism ••• Big Government • Politically Correct • Democracy • Globalism • Keynesian • Democratic Socialism • Privacy

    92%
    Democrat
    Bernie Sanders
    Honesty • Determination • Integrity • Big Government • Left Wing • Environmentalism • Collectivism ••• Progressive • Multiculturalism • Tender • Democratic Socialism • Secular • Keynesian • Politically Correct

    89%
    Democrat
    Marianne Williamson
    Humility • Compassion • Ability to Inspire • Big Government • Collectivism • Tender • Keynesian ••• Environmentalism • Multiculturalism • Democracy • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism

    87%
    Democrat
    Pete Buttigieg
    Charisma • Communication • Intelligence • Environmentalism • Left Wing • Secular ••• Big Government • Collectivism • Progressive • Democracy • Multiculturalism • Tender • Centralization • Politically Correct • Keynesian • Globalism

    86%
    Democrat
    Andrew Yang
    Sense of Humor • Vision • Creativity • Democracy • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism • Tender

    84%
    Democrat
    Cory Booker
    Secular • Tender • Environmentalism • Centralization • Globalism • Multiculturalism • Big Government ••• Left Wing • Progressive • Collectivism

    83%
    Democrat
    Amy Klobuchar
    Environmentalism • Centralization • Secular • Collectivism • Left Wing • Big Government • Globalism ••• Tender • Keynesian • Progressive

    78%
    Democrat
    Tulsi Gabbard
    Diplomacy • Health • Foreign Policy Experience • Democracy • Environmentalism • Decentralization ••• Keynesian • Big Government • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism

    74%
    Democrat
    Joe Biden
    Government Experience • Keynesian • Big Government • Multiculturalism • Globalism

    57%
    Independent
    Michael Bloomberg
    Leadership • Business Experience • Effectiveness • Globalization

    49%
    Democrat
    John Delaney
    Secular

    1%
    Republican
    Donald Trump
    Patriotism • Confidence • Toughness • Assimilation • Right Wing • Nationalism • Tough • Protectionism ••• Individualism • Meritocracy • Anthropocentrism





    Parties

    Here are the political parties ranked from most to least similar to your beliefs.

    94%
    Green
    Environmentalism • Big Government • Left Wing • Secular • Collectivism • Democratic Socialism • Tender • Progressive • Pacifism • Isolationism • Multiculturalism • Politically Correct

    93%
    Socialist
    Environmentalism • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism • Big Government • Progressive • Keynesian • Multiculturalism • Tender • Collectivism • Secular • Democracy • Isolationism • Politically Correct

    89%
    Democratic
    Big Government • Secular • Democracy • Left Wing • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Tender • Progressive • Politically Correct • Centralization • Globalism

    88%
    Peace and Freedom
    Secular • Big Government • Environmentalism • Centralization • Left Wing • Progressive • Pacifism • Democracy • Tender • Collectivism • Politically Correct • Keynesian • Multiculturalism • Globalism

    84%
    Women’s Equality
    Secular • Left Wing • Progressive • Big Government • Environmentalism • Politically Correct • Collectivism • Multiculturalism • Tender • Keynesian • Pacifism • Centralization • Globalism • Democracy • Isolationism

    31%
    Libertarian
    Decentralization • Small Government • Libertarian • Individualism • Anthropocentrism • Laissez-faire • Unilateralism • Isolationism • Capitalism

    1%
    Constitution
    Right Wing • Assimilation • Small Government • Decentralization • Individualism • Nationalism • Religious • Politically Incorrect • Anthropocentrism • Laissez-faire • Tough • Traditional • Deregulation • Meritocracy

    1%
    Republican
    Assimilation • Right Wing • Individualism • Traditional • Tough • Small Government • Militarism • Laissez-faire • Capitalism • Anthropocentrism

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    87/87 Warren/Sanders
    86/86 Green/Peace & Freedom

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    I didn't know how to answer some of the questions, but here is a partial list of my results:

    Party:
    Green 70%
    Democratic 66%
    Socialist 66%
    ...
    Republican 29%

    President:
    Bernie Sanders 71%
    Elizabeth Warren 71%
    ...
    Trump 33%

    I'm proud of the fact that that lousy human being Donald Trump is at the bottom of my list.

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    The following shows the percentage of issues you side with for the candidates running in the Presidential election.

    85% REPUBLICAN Donald Trump
    Patriotism • Confidence • Toughness • Assimilation • Right Wing • Nationalism • Individualism ••• Protectionism • Tough • Meritocracy • Anthropocentrism

    29% DEMOCRAT Tulsi Gabbard
    Diplomacy • Health • Foreign Policy Experience • Democracy • Environmentalism • Decentralization ••• Secular • Isolationism • Keynesian • Big Government • Left Wing

    25% INDEPENDENT Michael Bloomberg
    Leadership • Business Experience • Effectiveness • Environmentalism • Democracy • Globalization

    24% DEMOCRAT Andrew Yang
    Sense of Humor • Vision • Creativity • Democracy • Big Government • Tender

    24% DEMOCRAT John Delaney
    Secular

    13% DEMOCRAT Tom Steyer
    Ability to Unify • Environmentalism • Secular • Big Government • Left Wing • Democracy ••• Collectivism • Progressive • Tender • Globalism • Keynesian • Centralization • Democratic Socialism

    9% DEMOCRAT Amy Klobuchar
    Environmentalism • Centralization • Left Wing • Big Government • Collectivism • Globalism ••• Tender • Keynesian

    8% DEMOCRAT Pete Buttigieg
    Charisma • Communication • Humility • Environmentalism • Secular • Left Wing ••• Progressive • Collectivism • Democracy • Tender • Multiculturalism • Politically Correct • Big Government • Keynesian • Globalism

    7% DEMOCRAT Joe Biden
    Government Experience • Big Government • Keynesian • Multiculturalism • Collectivism

    2% DEMOCRAT Elizabeth Warren
    Left Wing • Environmentalism • Collectivism • Progressive • Centralization • Secular • Tender ••• Multiculturalism • Big Government • Politically Correct • Globalism • Keynesian • Democratic Socialism

    2% DEMOCRAT Bernie Sanders
    Honesty • Determination • Compassion • Left Wing • Big Government • Environmentalism • Progressive ••• Tender • Collectivism • Multiculturalism • Democratic Socialism • Secular • Keynesian • Politically Correct

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    Parties
    Here are the political parties ranked from most to least similar to your beliefs.


    92% Constitution
    Right Wing • Assimilation • Small Government • Decentralization • Individualism • Nationalism • Religious • Politically Incorrect • Anthropocentrism • Laissez-faire • Tough • Traditional • Deregulation • Meritocracy

    90% Republican
    Assimilation • Right Wing • Traditional • Individualism • Tough • Small Government • Militarism • Laissez-faire • Anthropocentrism • Capitalism

    68% Libertarian
    Decentralization • Small Government • Libertarian • Individualism • Anthropocentrism • Laissez-faire • Unilateralism • Isolationism • Capitalism

    7% Peace and Freedom
    Secular • Big Government • Environmentalism • Centralization • Left Wing • Progressive • Pacifism • Democracy • Tender • Collectivism • Politically Correct • Keynesian • Multiculturalism • Globalism

    5%
    Democratic
    Big Government • Secular • Democracy • Multiculturalism • Left Wing • Collectivism • Tender • Progressive • Politically Correct • Centralization • Globalism

    4% Women’s Equality
    Left Wing • Secular • Big Government • Progressive • Environmentalism • Politically Correct • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Tender • Keynesian • Pacifism • Centralization • Globalism • Isolationism

    3% Socialist
    Environmentalism • Left Wing • Democratic Socialism • Progressive • Big Government • Keynesian • Multiculturalism • Tender • Collectivism • Secular • Democracy • Isolationism • Politically Correct

    2%
    Green
    Environmentalism • Big Government • Left Wing • Secular • Collectivism • Democratic Socialism • Tender • Progressive • Pacifism • Isolationism • Multiculturalism • Politically Correct
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    Parties:
    1. Transhumanist (93%)
    2. Women's Equality, Democratic and Green (91%, ex aequo)
    3. Peace and Freedom (90%)
    4. Socialist (89%)
    5. American Solidarity (73%)
    6. Libertarian (40%)
    7. Republican (19%)
    8. Constitution (8%)


    2020 Presidential Election:
    1. Howie Hawkins (91%)
    2. Joe Biden (83%)
    3. Brian Carroll (80%)
    4. Joe Jorgensen (43%)
    5. Donald Trump (18%)


    2024 Presidential Election:
    1. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (93%)
    2. Michelle Obama (91%)
    3. Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders (89%, ex aequo)
    4. Pete Buttigieg (87%)
    5. Andrew Yang (85%)
    6. Dwayne Johnson (78%)
    7. Elon Musk (56%)
    8. Jo Jorgensen (44%)
    9. Mitt Romney (41%)
    10. Mark Cuban (35%)
    11. Dan Crenshaw (24%)
    12. Ivanka Trump (23%)
    13. Candace Owens (19%)
    14. Donald Trump (18%)
    15. Ben Shapiro (15%)
    16. Mike Pence (13%)
    17. Ted Cruz (10%)

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    I finished this monster of a quiz, answered all the questions, and didn't feel like copy/pasting and formatting all the candidates and what not. So, I took screenshots instead. The results are in the spoiler of course, so I don't take up 75% of the page.
    I didn't vote for anyone here. I'm living up to the careless American stereotype.





    Obviously I'm going to vote for Elon Musk, there's just no way around that. Mark Cuban and everyone below him can get chewed up by McDonald's' meat grinders and sold as Happy Meals for all I care.





    No comment for these guys.





    Not shocking to me that I scored as trans-humanist, I do support the philosophy and find it pretty fascinating.



    I could see why I would be suggested some of these candidates. I can't stand AOC personally, and I find Michelle Obama pretty hollow for some reason, though their policies and morals are fine generally speaking. My vote would either go to Bernie or Musk. What a crazy list of candidates, if I may add. USA politics are really turning into a soap opera with different "crossovers" from different candidates from different fields, kinda like I thought it would


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    evil laughter my boot on your necks muhahahaha



    Gr8 LSIs think alike I'd vote for Elon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    evil laughter my boot on your necks muhahahaha

    Well, I'm glad you scored low on Libertarian. Reading their custom answers while looking for alternatives made me lose brain cells.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebony View Post
    Well, I'm glad you scored low on Libertarian. Reading their custom answers while looking for alternatives made me lose brain cells.
    Ofc I'd score low on libertarian. I'm from beta quadra. :">

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Ofc I'd score low on libertarian. I'm from beta quadra. :">
    Libertarianism as a system of thought (Ti Ti Ti) had multiple Beta ideologues. Even infamous Ayn Rand.

    It's not so obvious and multiple criticisms of libertarianism as an ideology come from low practicality/pragmatism/feasibility and well, it being an ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Libertarianism as a system of thought (Ti Ti Ti) had multiple Beta ideologues. Even infamous Ayn Rand.

    It's not so obvious and multiple criticisms of libertarianism as an ideology come from low practicality/pragmatism/feasibility and well, it being an ideology.
    Libertarianism isn't a system of thought. It's mostly different political ideologies that have individual freedom as their first priority. Most criticisms of it are that it is too principled without making concessions to reality, yes, and that can be seen as Te criticism.

    I type Ayn Rand LIE. She wrote fiction novels to convey a picture of her ideal human being. According to Peter Bartl/Expat, who researched Ayn Rand's life better than I have, she only turned to non-fiction writing after Nathaniel Branden convinced her to do so because her fiction writing was ineffective in getting through to the general public. Leonoard Peikoff (possibly a beta rational), who Rand designated as her "intellectual heir" gave her philosophy a more formal structure. Nowadays Ayn Rand Institute tries to present her philosophy as something internally consistent, but it wasn't at the onset. There are many seeming contradictions in her novels, for example, in Atlas Shrugged capitalism is portrayed as the ideal system and yet love of money for its own sake is seen a decadent.

    Obviously the statement that betas can't be libertarians is a pretty stupid one, no offense to Shotgun, if he's being serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Libertarianism isn't a system of thought. It's mostly different political ideologies that have individual freedom as their first priority.
    Ave, every ideology is a system (of thought) underneath, or to call it different name: a doctrine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia and Britannica
    An ideology is a set of beliefs or philosophies attributed to a person or group of persons, especially as held for reasons that are not purely epistemic.

    Ideology, a form of social or political philosophy in which practical elements are as prominent as theoretical ones. It is a system of ideas that aspires both to explain the world and to change it.
    Libertarianism having different branches doesn't change that those are systems or ideologies (all spawning from 'core principle' of liberty). Beta is described in, I think, all sources you can find as the most 'ideological' quadra. Some shades of libertarianism are at odds with things that Strati or Gulenko assign to Beta (Betas would prefer by those descriptions more authoritarian systems with clear hierarchy), but many aren't (and digressing, but you can imagine how from 'pure freedom' a 'natural hierarchy' can arise anyways, and that's cool for Betas I guess).

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Most criticisms of it are that it is too principled without making concessions to reality, yes, and that can be seen as Te criticism.
    It's a Te-dig at Ti going 'too much' (as those 'rules and principia' are not Fi).

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    I type Ayn Rand LIE. She wrote fiction novels to convey a picture of her ideal human being. According to Peter Bartl/Expat, who researched Ayn Rand's life better than I have, she only turned to non-fiction writing after Nathaniel Branden convinced her to do so because her fiction writing was ineffective in getting through to the general public. Leonoard Peikoff (possibly a beta rational), who Rand designated as her "intellectual heir" gave her philosophy a more formal structure. Nowadays Ayn Rand Institute tries to present her philosophy as something internally consistent, but it wasn't at the onset. There are many seeming contradictions in her novels, for example, in Atlas Shrugged capitalism is portrayed as the ideal system and yet love of money for its own sake is seen a decadent.
    That's actually a pretty cool argument. I guess I would need to rethink this: was Rand Beta (ST; something I supposed for her after reading on her, her philosophy and what her Institute does), or is it just an illusion given by whom many of her followers and 'codifiers' are? For either, I don't see her - as of now - as someone… Doing a lot of research, let's state it that way.


    (also I'm socially libertarian and I opt for as much freedom to people as it's feasible)

    (also, like, I know multiple Betas who follow 'libertarianism', mostly 'right-libertarianism')

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Obviously the statement that betas can't be libertarians is a pretty stupid one, no offense to Shotgun, if he's being serious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ania View Post
    I have not really come across quadra-related correlations at least with the political compass.
    Then read Strat and Gulenko on quadras lmao.

    Beta quadra - the quadra of central collectivists, is characterized by public (state) property combined with authoritarian power. This combination allows large territories to be united and kept under a single management for a long time.

    Beta necessarily maintains a strict hierarchy of seniors and vassals, or, in modern terms, a rigid management vertical. For the first time, we find a detailed justification of the necessity and main functions of the state from beta positions in the famous "Leviathan" by T. Hobbes. The philosopher proves that the state, like the sea monster Leviathan, should cause fear and awe in its subjects.

    Beta types are thus the most pronounced and consistent statists. But the forms of statehood are evolving. Military-vassal relations over time are replaced by the institution of bureaucracy - the apparatus of the Beta quadra at a later stage of its development, when the transition to the Gamma quadra is already taking place.

    However, it is wrong to think that the Second Quadra cannot exist without despotism. The ideal of government in the Second Quadra is an enlightened monarch. In Plato, as you know, philosophers should have ruled the state. In ancient times, this ideal was embodied in Marcus Aurelius, who was not only a successful emperor, but also a talented philosopher.

    Source: https://socioniks.net/article/?id=17

    Strat: http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?t...Stratiyevskaya

    Well I'm not one. I fit Gulenko's & Strat's beta description. Unironically. Which is odd, because when typing me I didn't utter a word to him about it, and was typed beta regardless.

    How I see individualism vs collectivism:

    “For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.” ― Rudyard Kipling, The Jungle Book

    So, both extremes are negatives in my eyes. Proper well functioning society is a careful synthesis of individualism and collectivism into one organic system. This yields the most stable power for both parties. Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno

    e_e therfor anything that is pure individualist I reject as well as anything that is pure collectivist where the individual is a mere cog in the machine I will also logically reject.

    libertarianism is a Gamma quadra wet dream.
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    @shotgunfingers

    I don't think Gulenko means for the idea of quadra progession to apply to individual ideology - he types social liberal democrat Macron as EIE same type he types Lenin, H!tler etc.

    It can be like Duschia said where beta types might be attracted to libertarianism because it takes apart the system and allows a power vaccum which can then allow them to create new hierarchy.

    Different types will have a different attitude towards authority and such things, and taking the example of Macron, while he speaks of individualism and liberal values, he himself is pretty authoritarian, in his behavior and speech, tries to maintain order in his country in a rather vertical way. So I don't think that individual views are shaped by type, however the way in which one applies those views are.

    I agree with the idea you need a mix of collective and individual emphasis in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    @shotgunfingers

    I don't think Gulenko means for the idea of quadra progession to apply to individual ideology - he types social liberal democrat Macron as EIE same type he types Lenin, H!tler etc.

    It can be like Duschia said where beta types might be attracted to libertarianism because it takes apart the system and allows a power vaccum which can then allow them to create new hierarchy.

    Different types will have a different attitude towards authority and such things, and taking the example of Macron, while he speaks of individualism and liberal values, he himself is pretty authoritarian, in his behavior and speech, tries to maintain order in his country in a rather vertical way. So I don't think that individual views are shaped by type, however the way in which one applies those views are.

    I agree with the idea you need a mix of collective and individual emphasis in politics.
    Yes, that is true. Macron strictly enforces liberal values. He is still authoritarian and a statist, its not like he will go full decentralization. Macron is not a libertarian. He is a authoritarian statist with liberal values.

    in politics it is as Machiavelli said, power first, ideology second. If you don't have power and are bad at realistically keeping it.. your ideology means nothing. A lot of the time ideology gets in the way of doing any good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    Yes, that is true. Macron strictly enforces liberal values. He is still authoritarian and a statist, its not like he will go full decentralization. Macron is not a libertarian. He is a authoritarian statist with liberal values.
    He's not libertarian, my point is just that Gulenko often describes the values Macron speaks on (gender equality, freemarkets, free speech etc) as gamma values and beta as being opposed to such values - which I think might be wrong.

    You can judge how a quadra relates to power, but a person's stance on things like markets and gender roles are determined by the individual, not the qaudra.

    in politics it is as Machiavelli said, power first, ideology second. If you don't have power and are bad at realistically keeping it.. your ideology means nothing. A lot of the time ideology gets in the way of doing any good.


    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    He's not libertarian, my point is just that Gulenko often describes the values Macron speaks on (gender equality, freemarkets, free speech etc) as gamma values and beta as being opposed to such values - which I think might be wrong.

    You can judge how a quadra relates to power, but a person's stance on things like markets and gender roles are determined by the individual, not the qaudra.
    Those are too specific imo. Quadras describe tendencies based on functions, not specific ideologies. I'm not a communist, even if Stalin (LSI) was one

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    I scored highest on Dwayne Johnson (86%) and Elon Musk (84%).
    Transhumanist (81%), Democratic (79%), and Green (72%). Well I guess my Beta card won't be rescinded anytime soon.

    I sided with Biden (77%) the most, and Trump (43%) the least.

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