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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    Or is that not what Se PoLR is about at all?

    If it is though, how do you get past that?
    Se PoLR is about more than one thing. Having Se as a PoLR means that motivation has to come from an internal source for it to be egosyntonic for the individual. Imposing an external impetus on an Ne creative type is liable to damage the ego in an unproductive way. So, yes, an Se PoLR does make it more difficult for the Ne creative to take action, because people are often going around trying to impose themselves and their goals on others as a matter of course and in daily life. For the Ne creative to succeed, it's necessary for them to insulate themselves from those external forces so that their natural, internal motivation can arise and guide them. In the presence of Se, the Ne creative will often feel stifled or suffocated. The absence of those external forces is something the Ne creative will view as freeing, because they can then explore their own internal desires and find out what motivates them.

    And yes, of course, what @consentingadult said about EII vs. IEE is right. EII is much less capable of using willpower to force other people to do things. If they do attempt to use willpower, they most often will fail, because that's not their nature.

    They are not really very capable of being pushy to get what they want, and Ne creatives (incl. EII, of course) often have to wait or respond to the external flow of the universe to get anywhere in life. Or, rather than directly pushing to get what they want, simply "nudging" the universe in very small ways, "tacking" against the wind instead of trying to go against the flow. Se is essentially the force that allows a person to truly "go against" the external flow of the universe and the course of events. The unconscious singularity of vision (Ni) is what allows Se to exist. Plurality of vision (Ne) is what EIIs and LIIs create, and that is contrary to applying force -- which requires singular determination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacking_(sailing)

    This is probably a terrible post. I feel like there's a lot more that could be said, but I can't quite manage to say it -- at least not at the moment. Might update later.

    If you observe Se types, you might notice that they tend to get things done by focusing on one specific goal, and applying exactly the actions necessary to achieve that goal. Ne egos, on the other hand, often tend to do things in strange or unpredictable ways that somehow have a way of "quirking" a situation or context. If you put an Se ego into a situation, tell them to use a system or apply themselves in a certain way, they'll do exactly that and no more. If you put an Ne ego into a situation, they will often be the ones to accidentally find a way of "breaking" a situation because they unconsciously acted in a way that was not predicted for the context they were placed in. Se egos tend to find that kind of behavior extremely disturbing.

    https://www.stellarmaze.com/infp-wit...rence-to-infj/

    Here's an article from an MBTI perspective that describes the mode FiNe types would probably find most healthy, and an excerpt:

    Ne can’t be used really. Maybe the least of any function, it cannot be used or willed as an aux. type thing. I think the hero’s journey for INFP (and INTP too) is to be as “zen” and “loose” and “open” and “guileless” as possible. There are no capacities, tools, positive traits of character as such. “Be empty” “Be open” “Be here now” No goals. I think the gift of this aux. is allowing the universe to act without interfering with it. The degree to which one does not interfere or interject personal concerns such as how one is going to pay the bills, land a husband, etc. is a successful use of Ne aux. In a sense, one does as little as possible and nothing is left undone. “It’ll happen”. Somehow. In some way that you can’t see yet. Trust, faith, hope, optimism in the benevolence of the universe and that everything is unfolding as it should. No mistakes. That type of shit. Obviously, this has implications for new-age ideology, especially as this combines with Fi or feeling in general, which is open and passive to the higher unfolding itself.
    Sailboats are a pretty good analogy. How do you go anywhere when you have no force of your own, much less going where you want? Change your sail so that the force drives you in a different direction from the one it's flowing in on its own. The stronger the force against you, the smaller the shifts you'll have to make. Or the stronger sail and boat you'll need to have. It's impossible to truly "go against" a strong enough force. But you can maybe do what they want in a slightly "off" way. Modern society pathologizes passive aggression because it values direct confrontation and often has the ability to counteract it. The modern world is rather Se in many areas, esp. America. There's nothing wrong with being passive aggressive if you're truly dealing with an oppressive force.
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