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Filthy alpha know-it-all
Filthy beta aristocrat
Coeruleum is not merely a natural human being
I loathe Coeruleum with my shriveled soul
Socionics can't into real
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I got the impression that you might be an EIE, but I only browse this website to find type examples, so we haven't really interacted that much. just an intuitive guess from an alpha know-it-all
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The bolded means "ass" in romanian, thank you, I know I'm a comedic genius.
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Filthy IEE aristocrat.
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EIE e3 so first. I think IEE typings are understandable, it would be my second option. I know different IEEs and EIEs that act similarly and I know other ENFxs who act differently. There is no option for IEE typing on the poll although it is more probable than alpha types or most types and the main reason of its absence matches my main reason for your EIE typing. Thanks for thread, I am actually curious about your subtype in DCHN and two subtype sytem, waiting for other's subtypings.
you sound just as pompous as one EIE writer I have seen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gCrWIUUzE8 it is in Finnish but it does not matter).
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Mostly 16t just reminds me to write like my life depends on it now. I have heard of some sort of "writing curse" afflicting writers who don't publish from several sources, and saying "I'm not a writer because I haven't written recently!" is too transparently flimsy. I suspect writers simply have much better lives than non-writers rather than not writing actively cursing people, but it's just sorcery either way since words on paper don't seem like they should do much.
yeah, it's hard to find an IEE that so vehemently voices his hate for humanity, spills intellectualoid quotes daily breadly, makes shows etc.. while EIE are famous for that
Probably E3, or E4 with strong 3 wing. You seem merry and Ti-valuing with focus on logic, and you seem to know it and most people seem to agree. You have a thread on logic, which seems like verbal/valued Ti seeking. Have a dislike of food obsessions, simultaneously interspersed with veganism stints and an interest in supplements. This is a hot-cold relationship with Si which is indicative of Si polr. Constantly taking about aristocratic-like shit. Constantly shitposting with multiple posts in a row about wide-ranging social shit directed at nobody in particular or “everybody”; this is EJ style energy pattern behavior. Do not really talk to people in a focused one-on-one way which would be more indicative of Fi in ego; seem almost indirect and as if speaking to a general audience that doesn’t exist even when you’re insulting or making fun of someone. This lack of directness points to Fi ignoring. Constantly pushing internet neckbeards to go outside and do shit and seem to disdain comfort, often click “like” on posts where people like @flames talk about doing drugs and staying up multiple nights in a row or other hardcore shit, which seems like Se valuing and Si devaluing. Everything points to EIE.
I’m not sure about your instinctual stacking but I don’t really care about that stuff anyway. It seems like your sx gets built up or repressed and comes out erratically, and your sp has polr stuff going on. SO seems the most constant.
I think there seems to a be a very good case for EIE, but I can’t shake how your voice sounded on discord - extremely Ne. if we had to boil down to some sort of instinct stacking, I feel that so/sp would be appropriate. Heightened aristocratic characteristics, and it seems like you are blind to sx matters and solely dedicated to social causes that go against the grain and the greater good, but in a way that furthers your own agenda. This is reminiscent of an extraverted contraflow stacking, so sx/so or so/sp, but you seem to be unconcerned with binge drinking the “sx juice” if you will, instead you revolve around a social cause energized with your sp fruit of labor. Sx/so and so/sp are quite ENFJ to me, which will add more ingredients to the EIE pot but... I feel like IEE is a glove that fits your hand better. You seem infantile to me~
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Social causes are meh. I don't join those social justice organizations, and unless it's an actual nonprofit giving water to kids in Africa or something, I don't see the use. I know I get on your nerves though, so give me whatever your least favorite typing is.
Do So people even exist? Because I'd run over four people in a trolley to save one I like, and anyone who wouldn't is insane.
Fe lead seems like a good option, from the things I've seen you seem interested in the social movements (not in an activist way, but the social phenomena at large) more so than on individuals, Fe> Fi. Fe appears even in how you express yourself, in that you express yourself lol, voicing wtv idea is bubbling in your mind. You tend to do it in a pulpit-like manner, raising yourself above the masses you seem to analyze/criticize. At times you can be very enthusiastic about smth, a very Fe-sque theme, but for you case EIE seems to nail it better, you rely on Ni very deep piercing insights on the regular, and in the meanwhile can generate a lot of Ne byproducts unconsciously.
I think ILE, EIE seems off. Obvious Ti/Fe axis but definitely not 1d Ti nor 4d Fe. Ti>Fi because I said so. (lol jk but honestly, I don't get any Fi impressions from you - everyone cares about their loved ones, most would pick to save their loved one over picking a bunch of strangers, etc, which I don't think is an indicator of Fi. I just don't see you doing or saying things that in any way may improve or worsen your relationship with others on purpose... I don't see you tugging on the imaginary Fi relationship string... >_> dunno how else to describe this. but maybe this is merely Fi+Se and I'm getting it all wrong!! open for corrections!! oh and yeah, I don't see you valuing Te. which is another reason why Ti>Fi.) The other Fe/Ti contender would be IEI which absolutely does not fit how you act, lol. Your Ti is slightly better than your Fe, and people maybe are forgetting that we show off with our HA, which might be the case with you if ILE since you seem quite focused on how people react to you and get a kick out of it - hence appearing Fe-ish in text. The way you use Ti is playful but sometimes unforgiving which I associate with creative use. I can definitely see the scattered Ne, too.
Oh no, that Ti is definitely 1D--and I'm not saying that as a burn. Even if you don't value your strong Si, can't you spot a low D Si mess when it's in front of you? lol In my case, I don't value Ti but I'm still strong at it (to the same degree as an ILE or SLE) and can easily identify flaws/errors in one's reasoning. Coeruleum spews crude, unrefined thoughts all over the place, and can examine and hold the opposites in tension in pursuit of synthesis/reconciliation towards some truth, something typical of EIEs and their Dialectal Algorithmic cognition, but those thoughts are often poorly resolved and ill thought out, thereby lacking high internal consistency, which is oftentimes why some strong Ti valuer/user shows up to their threads and provides that resolution. What you're witnessing is Ti seeking behavior > "make this make sense!"
How much of "poorly resolved and ill thought out" is only your personal opinion though?
Ofc I recognise poor Si lol, ILE also has 1d Si. No doubt there. I don't see how EIE fits tho, Ti aside, because they have Se HA and the way coer goes about attacking is very subversive. Sort of like making fun of you publicly rather than a personal attack, which is what I associate with Se. "Look at this fool, everyone!" rather than "You fool." it's clear in your arguments, the little I've read of them, that there's a difference in how you attack and how coer does. EIE will be showy with their strength.. Like LIE is. And you may say this is because of logic, but I think it isn't, because my eyes glaze over just the same when reading both of your long winded responses. Lol. Just what I've noticed.
lol First off, whether or not someone is speaking in clearly defined terms, with internally consistent arguments is not a matter of “opinion,” especially when we’re talking logic; Ti’s brand of logic is most correlated with deductive inferences, because it involves taking a general statement/hypothesis/theory, examining it, and predicting the logical consequences > dogs have 4 legs. A poodle is a dog. Therefore, a poodle has 4 legs.
In order for the inference/conclusion to be logically true, the premises must be true. Many, many times, Coeruleum has said things like “People don't despise Trump or he'd be impeached.” I pointed out that he was, in fact, impeached, which meant that her premise was false. She then went on to say “Do you know the difference between being tried and being removed?” lol I pointed out that the word impeachment only refers to the process of charging an official and doesn't involve removal, which meant that she was misusing a term that effectively made her chief argument internally inconsistent, and, therefore, false.
Strong Ti users don’t routinely make glaring errors like that and Coeruleum does this all the time. You probably don’t realize it because you also have 1D Ti, which is why it’s kind of comical that you presume to tell me, a logical type with stronger Ti than you, how strong her Ti is, even when you yourself acknowledge that you’re quite capable of discerning a weak cognitive function (where you are strong) in someone else. You must be more internally consistent here...oh, wait. Sorry if your eyes glazed over!
Can you find other EIE examples on this forum who are more direct? Keep in mind LIE and EIE are still different types. Te is an external IE. It’s going to seem more out there (N and F IEs are considered internal—different from introverted, look it up if you don’t know).
Keep in mind also that coeruleum is younger and female when you compare to these older male LIEs we see on the forum. Without age and experience, it would make sense for an Ni ego to act more like, well, a victim Ni ego who does indeed have stronger Ni than Se.
It is very clear to me that coer has 4D Fe/Ne and 1D Si/Ti. Coer is using both Ne and Fe in a way that it exceeds standardized social norms, hence both IEs aren't two dimensional. I can't see 3D Ti. I have seen EIEs who are more explicit about their Ti-seeking and I have seen EIEs who wants to appear more efficient at it. Just to note that, the ones who are more explicit actually more all over the place when they are explaining themselves or a phenomenon. I think coer could explain herself more clearly, however, Ti isn't equal to expressing yourself clearly. In overall, all representatives of each type would be different due to different enneagram type, stacking and subtype, hence they will have a different level of accentuated IEs and they will represent themselves differently. Hence, it isn't valid to type someone as another type because of different preferred representation.
This kind of attack make sense for 2D Se, plus if coer is indeed a Fe-dom and so first, coer's Se will manifest itself by attempts to diminish her targets socially since Se in social hierarchy is more valued than personalized attack. Fi valuers (especially Fi>Fe) with so last more prone to attempt to personalized attacks. However, Se role also does this.
Both ENFx makes sense for coer. I don't see any Fi, but it isn't the only reason that I think coer is EIE, since same behavior can be explained in terms of NeFe or FeNe. I agree with Alonzo, coer manifest DA cognition and Ne of coer is very synthetical, coer combines different kinds of perception in order to create somehow a completely different perception. Ne- of IEE generally manifests itself with finding alternative perception, pointing a single essence of perception much more than synthetical perception. Hence, I strongly think that coer is EIE instead of IEE.
I am thinking C or D in terms of coer's DCHN type. I am still undecided about her subtype in two subtype system any opinions?
I am liking ILE bc Ne + Fe
Overflow of changeable subjective logic, creative Ti, no?
Trickster personality is common in ILE
The Ne is predominantly top dog
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Alphas are not pretentious.
I think the Fe is simply a vehicle for the Ne; she has stated numerous things that override an Fe base typing, to me. Also, it is common for a logical female to be mistaken as a guy online, and the other way around for an ethical male to be seen as a girl.
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Like what?
Once someone pointed out that Coeruleum used to go under Wyrd/Pallas, I took a gander at her posting history and, especially in the beginning, they didn't seem anything like the persona they have now > far more down to earth and conflict avoidant, less provocative, antagonistic and pretentious. IMO, they seemed more readily likable and if I were to make a gendered assumption, I would have certainly thought female. Under Coeruleum, I referred to her with a neutral pronoun (they) because I couldn't readily discern her gender. But that's not because I believed that she used more stereotypically T (read: scientifically technical/mechanical, direct, blunt) jargon and diction, because she doesn't really. Coeruleum's brand of intellectualism, jargon and references are heavily skewed towards liberal arts/the humanities, which is often an NF space.
Less reason to type EIE, more for everything elsefar more down to earth and conflict avoidant, less provocative, antagonistic and pretentious
Most of my intellectual posts have been on philosophy of science, logic, topology, etc. Do I like literature? Yes, but that's an art. I couldn't care less about moralistic social justice nonsense. I had to teach everyone algebra in 5th grade because I had already learned calculus and set theory. Think whatever you'd like though and go complain about how the world did wrong you.
I was also way more antagonistic and pretentious way back. Are you even reading the same forum as me? It's OK, your wife will be back to tie you down shortly.
1.) I don't have a pipe.
2.) I don't worship Jung and I'm not very interested in reincarnation.
3.) I never claimed to be a great mathematician, unlike you claiming to be Steve Jobs. I could probably be considered an applied mathematician though. I have an account on Knot Atlas, the only site more dead than this, and as Verbrannte/Wyrd/Pallas I was doing a topological analysis of enneagram to sort out all the IELD forum beliefs. @Heretic 007 is more mathematical than I am, but I'm more of everything except a troll than you.
i thought coeruleum was boy
btw, poor coer everybody's putting her in opp quadra, come to me coer, be delta queen <3
I think you are aristocratic, EJ, but delta. Ne-Si valuing, +Te/-Ti ego. Dialectic-Algorithmic cognition. I do not get any aggression from you such as EIE Fe-HA aggression (which tends to tickle me). You also seem civilized, iconoclastic, and playful in a very delta way. You seem fixated on your -Ne/+Ni HA, which makes me think that you are not in a very healthy type-state, so you probably are LSE-Si.
Coeruleum reminds me of my IEE-Ne sister-in-law. She is unbeatable at Trivia games and she lives in the woods, because Ne is the enemy of accumulation and consolidating gains.
Personally, I like my sister-in-law a lot. But that's Benefit for you.
It's possible to be good at Ti yet still land in conclusions you might not agree with or find absurd. Ti is not present or absent based on the conclusions it lands in, seemingly absurd or not, even though I'm sure some Te-valuers might want it to be.
He is not wrong. Coeruleum doesn't strike me as logical. The only people who type her as such are feelers.
She has the same energy as Bertnard and Singu.
It's amusing to me how certain people get typed just by the way they present themselves, even if it's superficial. Half the types on this forum are a joke. They do not make sense. Especially the ones who keep changing theirs every couple of months. Pro tip: If you went through more than three types you are not logical, don't delude yourself. I can't stress this enough. Only feelers think they can be a different type each year and still act like they are sane.