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    Question 4 Natural Elements?

    Purely for speculative fun (alpha bullshit):

    8 information aspects, 2 for each natural element.

    Fire = Se & __Te?
    Earth = Ti & __Ni?
    Wind = Ne $ __Fe?
    Water = Fi & __Si?

    Dante Alighieri describes yielding to lust, to passion, as a torrent of glued-together bodies in a portion of Hell, blowing about for eternity.

    Water takes up the volume of that which contains it. Water adjusts, like Si. Much like Fi, a "body of water," how large it is, doesn't express how "deep" or how "intense" it is. "Still waters run deep"

    Se seemed obvious, Se pisses itself off, it feeds into its energy, it devours.

    Ti is stable and static like the crystalline structure of Earth's minerals. Ni is "the one true path" among all the possible, virtual ones. A sense of stability (albeit Ni is dynamic...crystal balls are used to divine the future...methane fumes also work).


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    Typically, Intuition is associated with Fire, Sensation with Earth, Thinking with Air, and Feeling with Water.


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    I would say:

    Fire = Feeling
    Earth = sensing
    Air = thinking
    Water= Intuition
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    All of the elements can correlate to any information element depending on the exact scenario and feature that you are focusing on.

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    Alpha - Air
    Beta - Fire
    Gamma - Water
    Delta - Earth

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    How did you arrive at those conclusions? Which of the 8 information aspects correlates specifically with which of the 4 natural elements?

    @mclane kinda had the idea, I like the positive/negative additions to each of the 8, making 16, but how would they fall
    into the natural 4?

    @number9large, if the elements were broken into quadrants, switching the gamma/delta might be better, gammas are more stable, "tough love" is what they show, but water adjusts and conforms (Si), similar to how deltas adapt.

    @Chakram, the "the exact scenario" would be hypothetical, and the "feature that you are focusing on" would be the intrinsic qualities of each information aspect, considering the intrinsic qualities of the 4 natural elements, and irrespective of the concept of relativity that Einstein taught us over 100 years ago
    @Heretic007, duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactagon View Post
    How did you arrive at those conclusions? Which of the 8 information aspects correlates specifically with which of the 4 natural elements?

    @mclane kinda had the idea, I like the positive/negative additions to each of the 8, making 16, but how would they fall
    into the natural 4?
    If you want to limit it to the classical four elements, it would work like this:

    Earth: +Si, -Te/+Ti
    Fire: -Se
    Water: +Se/-Si, -Fi/+Fe,+Ni/-Ne
    Air: -Ti/+Te, +Fi/-Fe, -Ni/+Ne

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactagon View Post
    How did you arrive at those conclusions? Which of the 8 information aspects correlates specifically with which of the 4 natural elements?

    @mclane kinda had the idea, I like the positive/negative additions to each of the 8, making 16, but how would they fall
    into the natural 4?

    @number9large, if the elements were broken into quadrants, switching the gamma/delta might be better, gammas are more stable, "tough love" is what they show, but water adjusts and conforms (Si), similar to how deltas adapt.

    @Chakram, the "the exact scenario" would be hypothetical, and the "feature that you are focusing on" would be the intrinsic qualities of each information aspect, considering the intrinsic qualities of the 4 natural elements, and irrespective of the concept of relativity that Einstein taught us over 100 years ago
    @Heretic007, duly noted.
    Si is more stable than Se

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Si is more stable than Se
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    Se--> the water cycle, winter to summer, the monsoons, the heat waves, the forest fires, the sighted eagle, an eyeball, the black hole, the super nova, the orbits, a waterfall, the hurricane, the season, a sunburn, a pair of antlers smashing together, teeth, fins, arms and legs, a wolf's howl, a breeze moving through the leaves, source awareness, territory.

    Ni --> erosion markers, continental drift, geology morphology, tide lines, tree rings, cold hot pressure systems, soil composition, fossils, evolution of species, mutation, offspring, wrinkles, river oxbows.

    Ne--> clouds, herd camouflage, the hunter's vision of a goat on the other side of the valley, the plumage of a bird, smells of passing objects and creatures, river forks, mountain peaks, flowers to the bee, bees to the flower, flash fires, alchae on lichen, bacteria on a fallen apple, dandelion seeds, muscles and their movement, a boulder perched on a cliff, the dive of a hawk, bird song, the rising sun, air through a whale's blow hole, eggshells.

    Ti--> fundamental particles to biological individuals, the rays of the sun through space to the earth, ecology, niche, habitat, the circle of life, plum to seed, seed to bud, bud to plumb, digestion, energy transfer, behaviour, 5th element.

    Te-> Earth, water, air. Movement through them, why and how. Migration.

    Si-> ecosystems, the dance between life and abiotic fire air water and earth. Living organism's relation to those elements. Nesting, sleeping, resting, Tao.

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