@Nords

[Metamorph]

Please stop giving people as many free things with your social safety net so you won't attract the worst immigrants who trash the place. All the Middle Eastern people in countries like America and Germany who aren't afraid of being called Nazis by the rest of the world because that's the default I've met are great, while your lax welfare laws attract people who will specifically cheat it. The problem isn't that those immigrants won't integrate, because frankly those people are criminals who won't integrate anywhere except the ground, even in their home countries (notice they're not there either? If they were, they'd probably be smashing windows there.) Thanks!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a...-welfare-abuse

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Skyrim belongs to the Nords.

[Muddy]

I support the Nordic economic model. The 900 AD Nordic economic model that is.

[Alonzo]

What a trash take. Mind your fucking business. Worry about the cheats, thieves and criminals running AND ruining the highest office in the backwards, corrupt, rabid dog eats rabid dog, inequality laden shit hole that is the USA. More socialism and a stronger welfare system would do you primitive motherfuckers well.

As much as I love Nordic Europe and our way of life, I can not [disingenuously and hypocritically] weep for countries like Sweden, one of the top arms exporters of the world, and even to non democratic states responsible for horrible humanitarian atrocities that prompt and spur forced displacement and migration. Even if, in this particular instance, Sweden’s contribution to this inhumanity is indirect, the result is the same. IMO, those who encourage suffering deserve to suffer themselves. And if that “suffering” comes by way of welfare blood suckers, OH WELL. I chalk that up to a sort of cosmic justice. There is certainly no nation in the Western hemisphere that has not achieved “success” by way of “cheating” in some form or another, usually involving some type of disenfranchisement of an adjacent, "weaker" neighbor/party. That being the case, we don’t have that much room to complain. And Americans, especially a certain breed of American, most of all, need to keep their mouths SHUT on the issue of cheating, greed and thievery by "others." Seriously, STFU.

[Metamorph]

What a trash take. Mind your fucking business. Worry about the cheats, thieves and criminals running AND ruining the highest office in the backwards, corrupt, rabid dog eats rabid dog, inequality laden shit hole that is the USA. More socialism and a stronger welfare system would do you primitive motherfuckers well.

As much as I love Nordic Europe and our way of life, I can not [disingenuously and hypocritically] weep for countries like Sweden, one of the top arms exporters of the world, and even to non democratic states responsible for horrible humanitarian atrocities that prompt and spur forced displacement and migration. Even if, in this particular instance, Sweden’s contribution to this inhumanity is indirect, the result is the same. IMO, those who encourage suffering deserve to suffer themselves. And if that “suffering” comes by way of welfare blood suckers, OH WELL. I chalk that up to a sort of cosmic justice. There is certainly no nation in the Western hemisphere that has not achieved “success” by way of “cheating” in some form or another, usually involving some type of disenfranchisement of an adjacent, "weaker" neighbor/party. That being the case, we don’t have that much room to complain. And Americans, especially a certain breed of American, most of all, need to keep their mouths SHUT on the issue of cheating, greed and thievery by "others." Seriously, STFU.

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[Alonzo]

LOL

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I support the Nordic economic model. The 900 AD Nordic economic model that is.

Interesting, I've never read much into it. What's it like? Distributist?

[Alonzo]

Interesting, I've never read much into it. What's it like?

In effect, an early, primitive form of "war capitalism" > conquest, piracy, enslavement, theft of natural resources, and the physical seizure of markets. Sexy stuff.

[Metamorph]

I said Sweden has problems, so go cry about it. Welfare for people who don't work sucks you lazy bum. At least make people show Proof of Kind of Trying to Work.

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In effect, an early, primitive form of "war capitalism" > conquest, piracy, enslavement, theft of natural resources, and the physical seizure of markets. Sexy stuff.

Well yeah, war and plundering was a big thing, but from what I can remember Muddy is opposed to capitalism. I've never heard of a specific economic model being used in Nordic countries 900 AD, that's why I'm curious. Trade was of course a thing, but most European medieval societies were distributist in practice, not capitalist.

[Alonzo]

I said Sweden has problems, so go cry about it. Welfare for people who don't work sucks you lazy bum. At least make people show Proof of Kind of Trying to Work.

What's particularly irritating is that you, like a bored, dullard, over indulged child, enjoy being provocative and an unhinged reaction whore for the sake of, all while remaining fundamentally clueless and ignorant about the complexity of subjects you raise. Sweden has problems. America has more problems. You yourself have more problems than Kissing Numbers. I just think you need to get your priorities in order. Fretting about what’s splintering Sweden won't remove the steel beam jetting from your own [wondering] eye. Few Swedes pay as much as I do in income tax, and so the stakes for me supersede any concerns you might have, which means I'm disinclined to spare any extra fucks to give regarding your opinions on the matter.

What your comment shows is that you know nothing of the empirically observed prejudices and biases that, based on ethnic hierarchies–*GASP* Quelle surprise–keep many immigrant/foreign born people outside of the already rigid Swedish labor market and dependent on welfare. Interesting that you cite the US and Germany’s Middle Eastern immigrant population as being “great” because, according to one study, on average, “whites receive 65 percent to 100 percent more [job] callbacks in France and Sweden than nonwhite minorities; in Germany, the United States, and Norway, they receive 20 to 40 percent more.” So yeah, I’d imagine that being more likely to find a god damned job in those two countries might lend to “greatness.”

It’s true that many immigrants/refugees to Sweden do not have the skills (language or professional) or connections to enter the workforce. But this study shows that even if they did, their country of birth and even gender, traits they nor policy makers have any control over, would still prove more consequential than variables like citizenship, education level and work experience. Turns out that young, low-skilled,Muslim men (chiefly Iraqi and Somali) face the most discrimination, even when their other background characteristics and applications are identical to those of native Swedes. Prejudiced ass Swedish employers still prioritize ethnicity over qualities that signal productivity and integration. Obviously then, burdening the welfare system becomes the most readily available alternative. DERP.

As always, the reflexive response from reductionist simpletons like you is to disproportionately place blame on the wrong people, the ones who allegedly fail to integrate instead of the ones who refuse to absorb them. Bet you won’t make a thread encouraging “Nords” to move past their own prejudices if they want to maintain the integrity of their social welfare system.

[Muddy]

Interesting, I've never read much into it. What's it like? Distributist?

Watching the TV show "Vikings" should offer you a pretty good idea.

[Grendel]

Tbf he's not wrong. "You shouldn't be paid for doing nothing" isn't viable when those who monopolize the means of production are so hellbent on halting all trickle-down, that they offload every process except their own administration to the machines. "Get a job" only means a damn thing when jobs still exist.

[Metamorph]

Tbf he's not wrong. "You shouldn't be paid for doing nothing" isn't viable when those who monopolize the means of production are so hellbent on halting all trickle-down, that they offload every process except their own administration to the machines. "Get a job" only means a damn thing when jobs still exist.

If people are going to complain about slavery when they have to work and idleness when they don't, they should really reconsider nearly everything. Take a job that can't be done by robots. If there isn't one, make one. Isn't wanting time to become an artist what everyone wants anyways?

[Grendel]

If people are going to complain about slavery when they have to work and idleness when they don't, they should really reconsider nearly everything. Take a job that can't be done by robots. If there isn't one, make one. Isn't wanting time to become an artist what everyone wants anyways?

Well, even art can be automated. I'm all for grassroots economies, but so many of the services we take for granted were offloaded to economy-of-scale mass-businesses or government institutions long ago. If they control the majority of these resources in a society and they deem nothing that your splinter-economy produces to be of any value to them, you're all just gonna starve. When all those african-americans were partitioned into ghettos waiting for them to tear up the ruins and build their own farms and economies didn't save them, institutions swept in to actively profit from their deprivation like vultures. They could do the same thing again to the rest of us if they wanted; what's stopping them? Corporatists would much rather convert populations into batches of jesters and gladitorial sacrifices than feed them the occasional cookie like a precious little child.

[Metamorph]

Well, even art can be automated. I'm all for grassroots economies, but so many of the services we take for granted were offloaded to economy-of-scale mass-businesses or government institutions long ago. If they control the majority of these resources in a society and they deem nothing that your splinter-economy produces to be of any value to them, you're all just gonna starve. When all those african-americans were partitioned into ghettos waiting for them to tear up the ruins and build their own farms and economies didn't save them, institutions swept in to actively profit from their deprivation like vultures. They could do the same thing again to the rest of us if they wanted; what's stopping them? Corporatists would much rather convert populations into batches of jesters and gladitorial sacrifices than feed them the occasional cookie like a precious little child.

Creativity can't be automated. Make a competing economy with as much production and trade as an equivalently-sized subsection of the main economy and, psst, it'll have just as high GDP.