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    An example of F types being over accented on emotions in the interpretation of other peoples behavior.

    Some time ago I checked what happens on Socionics pages and noticed a discussion. There was a case alike, when one was a practitioneer in the typology (seems for money) and other human (also noticable in types) have said that disagrees what 1st thinks about own type.

    Among comments I've seen the explanation alike: 2nd just wanted to harm the reputation of 1st.
    That commenter should to have F type as tended to see through people relations, while the value and usefulness of truth itself was out of his mind.
    That to say truth (in assured opinion of 2nd) was important as: 1) people should trust lesser to who mistake in own type, as to understand it correctly is important for correct typology usage and theory understanding; also that people were more critical to practitioneers in general, 2) that 1st being publicly known shows the example of type behavior, and by saying a mistake in it, he reduces the possibility for people to understand types theory correctly, 3) for 1st to understand correctly own type is useful.
    The aim was to care about other people by pointing on what is correct and not just to make a harm to 1st. Harm to 1st could be even not supposed by 2nd, as I doubt there was a significant competing (where also to say an opinion would change the situation to one of sides) or were personal offences between them.
    Truth as having own value and out of personal context - is what F types have a problem to understand. And giving overpersonal explanations they point on what happens in F types minds when they criticize someone, when for personal motivations and relations they lesser value the truth itself and hence are easier to say lie or to mislead indirectly. The lower IQ such F type human would have, - the more primitive misleading would be used.
    F types value emotions and relations above what is correct! They lesser care about consequences of wrong info for other people. They are accented on direct emotions.
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    Watched this film, seems like characters could be SLI (mechanic) and IEE (journalist).
    IEE who doesn't know about socionics and rarely watches anything sci-fi specifically picked it to watch, even had to rent it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_(2016_film)

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    I don't notice how punctual, organized and time obsessed I am until I deal with Ip types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    SLI (mechanic)
    ''mechanic'' fits better slightly with Se-Ti, who have more focus on objective physical details (Se) and the interconnection of parts (Ti)
    many conventional type names are either too general or do not fit the most with the type which they are assigned to

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    Quote Originally Posted by nifl View Post
    ''mechanic'' fits better slightly with Se-Ti, who have more focus on objective physical details (Se) and the interconnection of parts (Ti)
    many conventional type names are either too general or do not fit the most with the type which they are assigned to
    Okay Sol, let’s let that stand as your opinion. Mainstream socionics disagrees.

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    The 22 yo female LIE cashier whom I met last week hates her job at the very Alpha health food store, and from observing her co-workers around her, they don't like her very much, either. She's not perky. She's gloomy and frustrated.

    I told her that she was in with the wrong group. I said her bosses were, like, "Oh, look at this tomato! It's so beautiful and flawless and round and plump and just brimming with flavor!" I went on, in my own voice, "Fuck that. I just want to eat it, not marry it." She laughed at that, because it was so true.

    I told her that every type hires predominantly from their own quadra, and Alphas are on the opposite side of the table from Gammas. There isn't a Gamma in that store, and there never has been in all the years I've been frequenting that place. I think they hired her because labor is in short supply here.

    She then said she was graduating in Economics in a few months, and was I hiring?

    Well, I need a project manager, but that would be an SLI, not an LIE. Besides which, LIEs are like the guy in the Highlander movie. "There can be only one", if you are old enough to know Socionics and what will happen down the line.

    I told her I didn't need an Econ major right now, but what would be her ideal job?

    She said she'd like to own a bank. Naturally.

    I told her she could totally do that, since I know people who have started a bank and she was better suited to the job than they were, but she should get a few years experience under her belt before leaping off on her own and making every mistake possible.

    So I gave her the name of the 40-somthing female LIE at my bank, and said "Go talk to this woman. Don't tell her that you are looking for a job, just tell her that you want to ask her a few questions about what her job in the bank is like. I'm pretty sure that she'll offer you a job before the end of your meeting."

    She said she'd do that.

    I gave her a copy of "Up the Organization". It is the LIE business manual. She already knows half the stuff in it, and will discover the rest shortly, but it's good to have external confirmation of your biases.

    She so much reminds me of me when I was 22. Not a full LIE yet, not knowing how to work the levers, but having all the tools in the toolbox available. Just not knowing how to apply them, and being a bit scared to experiment.
    "Oh, what's this thing for? ARRGHHHSshsh. It turns off my empathy! Holy shit! Don't touch that!"
    "No, you are totally going to need that."
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    "Sexual/Intimate:Both positively and negatively identified sexual instinctual types long for their favorite, their beloved and the object of their desire whether a life partner or a lifelong friend.


    The positively identified sexual instinctual type was told that they were attractive and desirable as a child by those that were close to them and often by those in their larger groups such as with their extended family, and with schoolmates and teachers. They grew up hearing things such as “You are so handsome or you are so beautiful!” “Aren’t you adorable!” “Aren’t you charming.” Most importantly, they felt that they had the ability to attract the one they most desired to have a close connection with.


    The negatively identified sexual instinctual types felt that they were not desirable or not the right kind of desirable to draw in “the one” they most wanted to be close to. This is not about popularity but rather about being and having your ‘favorite; above all else. It is about being in sync and have the union, fusion, and closeness with the object of your desire, the one with whom you have exciting chemistry. The negatively identified sexual instinctual type either gives up trying or learns the tricks of the trade by adorning themselves and seducing the object of their desire with sparking conversations that includes the revealing of one’s deepest and innermost thoughts and the sharing of secrets.


    An interesting point I have noticed when working with the positively identified sexual type is how much they struggle to feel attractive and desirable when they lose what they perceived made them desirable and attractive in the first place. They often feel a lot more stress than the negatively identified sexual instinctual type because they did not have to work as hard to develop the skills needed to attract their desired mate, pair bond or BFF as the negatively identified sexual instinctual type did. "

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    When ST types feel stronger feelings for someone, almost all of their behaviour can cause concern; we don't understand emotions and hidden motivations in people very well, so much of what they do can stimulate emotional confusion and questionable perceptions of the person's perception of you - a smile, a lack of smile, something that was said... anything can become anything
    Consequently, we suppress these doubts by urging ourselves to be stoic and just 'focus on the task at hand', that we don't know and should not try to assume, to let ourselves express what we feel. the interpersonal passivity that follows from this should be most common in LSI/SLI

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    Quote Originally Posted by nifl View Post
    Ezra McCandless - IEI, with ILI as the second possibility
    I thought you were quite clear on the differences between Te and Fe ego -- so confident that you could distinguish between them through only one or two online interactions.

    So what is causing ambiguity here? McCandless's face is emoting constantly. Surely this is more difficult to maintain, if unnatural, than a few typed words.

    By comparison, when I was young I faced repeated criticism for secrecy, enigmatical behaviour, and having a very unexpressive face, to the point I had learnt to make expressions in the glass and ask other people questions about themselves. The latter is usually quite successful. Still, it's hard to be mindful of one's face, so in spite of my efforts, most of the time I think my face is pretty blank, or else conveys something asocial like concentration

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    All men are fallible.
    Socrates is a man.
    Therefore, Socrates is fallible.

    Augustinavičiūtėičiūtėičiūtė is infallible.
    Therefore, Augustinavičiūtėičiūtėičiūtė is not a man.

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    It seems like there are some kindred pairings that are much closer than others.

    I've been watching a few different movies lately. One of the kindred pairing was an SEE-SLE, and the other was an ILI-IEI pairing.
    The SEE-SLE pairing doesn't seemed very close to each other. The SEE was in love with the SLE and had treated the SLE like her best friend, but the SLE was lukewarm about the SEE, they eventually broke up, and then one day the SLE ran over his SEE ex with a car.

    The ILI-IEI pairing was much more closer. Although this pairing aren't soulmates like duals are, but they're still best friends with each other and if in a romantic relationship they seemed to have true love for each other, although not in the same way that duals love each other. I remembered in that movie that I watched, the ILI male lead character was dating this IEI, the IEI was later diagnosed with leukemia, but she hid her illness from the ILI and broke up with the ILI and pretended to marry another guy to prevent the ILI from worrying about her. She also gave him all her inheritance when she passed away. The ILI then spent the next 20 episodes grieving over the death of the IEI.

    There was also a pair of real life kindred friends that I know of, an ESI and an EII. When the EII celebrity died, the ESI celebrity wasn't able able to sleep for days and he wasn't able to walk properly due to the lack of sleep and he would also constantly zone out all the time.

    The SLE-SEE pairing seemed like strangers, whilst the ILI-IEI and the EII-ESI pairing seemed like best friends who cared deeply about each other. All these pairings are kindreds, yet their relations differ.
    I wonder if Fi PoLR might be the culprit here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post
    The dual nature of man

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    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cropped%29.jpg

    Also IEI

    https://drsultanaljaber.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post
    on right is Alexandria Bishop - mb SEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post
    Left looks busted asl. Girl on right mogs her BADLY. If I were rainbow hair I'd want this pic deleted from existence. The sad thing is, she's looks like the one taking the pic...not like anyone with any self awareness would wear that hairstyle so she prob doesn't know any better. Poor girl.

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    Sonic is the most stereotypically Japanese media ever produced. Pokémon is not. That's why Pokémon is successful and Sonic is not (but the latter keeps lingering on forever).
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    "Likes listening to interesting or simply entertaining and funny stories, will recall funny episodes from his life."(IEI)


    I quite literally don't think I know anyone who doesn't do this at least sometimes. It's a form of small talk. Thanks Gulenko. You've made my daughter laugh.

    I'll start listening to which of my friends/family does it the most so they're not all IEI

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    Damn, I wouldn't sell the16types.com for less than six figures now...I don't need .info....Now with the Trinity-- 16types.com, 16types.org, 16types.net --- the future of the 16types belongs to American Socionics....I said awhile back I win in the end and my current position does not disappoint...my VI templates are the best out there...blows away those delipidated and outdated templates at socionics.com and God knows poor old Filatova's templates never has and never will hold a candle to mine

    And if the Myers-Briggs people try to make waves about me using the16types.com, they will have to either sue StackemupTypology or buy me out at top dollar and that ain't gonna be cheap! My attorney will not only destroy them in Court but force them to pay my attorney's fees!!

    Read it and weep....reminds me of a saying: "How you like your blue eyed boy now, Mister Death."


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    ^

    The delusion is strong with this IEI
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    Damn, I wouldn't sell the16types.com for less than six figures now...I don't need .info....Now with the Trinity-- 16types.com, 16types.org, 16types.net --- the future of the 16types belongs to American Socionics....I said awhile back I win in the end and my current position does not disappoint...my VI templates are the best out there...blows away those delipidated and outdated templates at socionics.com and God knows poor old Filatova's templates never has and never will hold a candle to mine

    And if the Myers-Briggs people try to make waves about me using the16types.com, they will have to either sue StackemupTypology or buy me out at top dollar and that ain't gonna be cheap! My attorney will not only destroy them in Court but force them to pay my attorney's fees!!

    Read it and weep....reminds me of a saying: "How you like your blue eyed boy now, Mister Death."

    Being a long timer here, what has happened to this place in the last year, like at the present the site is broken again.

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    A little better makes better more

    The good news in knowing you are wrong is you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post
    All men are fallible.
    Socrates is a man.
    Therefore, Socrates is fallible.

    Augustinavičiūtėičiūtėičiūtė is infallible.
    Therefore, Augustinavičiūtėičiūtėičiūtė is not a man.
    Wicked Ti. PoLR.



    A little better makes better more

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    When slicing the pie, 22 over 7 is your true bread from heaven

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    I've been good friends with a conflictor for 3 years now, and even though things are civil and on good terms, long amounts of time around a conflictor can still grate on the psyche, and it gets worse being around a conflictor and their dual, you are pretty much outnumbered by what they value and get what you value trampled all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post


    I was wondering whether Socionics had its own way of modeling psychopathy or if it was an incompletion in the Socionics system. Now I know that yes, Socionics is powerful enough to model psychopathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Wicked Ti. PoLR.
    This was done in humor. It does not mean T eye ready.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Being a long timer here, what has happened to this place in the last year, like at the present the site is broken again.

    Thoughts?
    @mu4 has lost interest in the site. He did a great job when he was involved, but now he should give it to @Subteigh, along with his blessings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @mu4 has lost interest in the site. He did a great job when he was involved, but now he should give it to @Subteigh, along with his blessings.
    this website can actually be closed. all these celebrities have the same type. everyone in here is INxx. what do people gain from being here? subteigh should sell the site to kill4me so that idiot can turn it into a trainwreck and we can forget that classical socionics ever existed and develop something more sophisticated that doesn't end up in typing you as LIE or some other bs
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    the section will be updated ever other month or so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @mu4 has lost interest in the site. He did a great job when he was involved, but now he should give it to @Subteigh, along with his blessings.
    Hello Adam.

    I agree. I don't think Subteigh is into this place anymore, but being agreeable as i think he is, he'd carry it via duty, and put other touches on it, like a rename to it.

    There are others here who are conscientious enough to carry it too, but are sour to the site branding.

    I think it's a dead end no matter, the central part of the community is gone, and as Vixen said earlier today, it is not a draw to the newer generation without major changes to it, from top down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    kill4me so that idiot can turn it into a trainwreck
    Can you believe that he once told me to stop posting after him or else? I am still abiding @.@
    maybe it was a test #SePolr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expansion View Post
    Hello Adam.

    I agree. I don't Subteigh is into this place anymore, but being agreeable as i think he is, he'd carry it via duty, and put other touches on it, like a rename to it.

    There are others here who are conscientious enough to carry it too, but are sour to the site branding.

    I think it's a dead end no matter, the central part of the community is gone, and as Vixen said earlier today, it is not a draw to the newer generation without major changes to it, from top down.
    I don't know about the "central part of the community" being gone. I think the community constantly renews itself as new people discover this site.
    However, I also think that there are a limited number of things that can be said about socionics types and their mutual interactions, and that knowledge can be gained in a fairly short time. (This forum is a huge repository of that information. Nothing like it exists anywhere on the web.)
    This means that you can learn 80% of everything that can accurately be said about socionics in a set amount of time (one or two years, perhaps, if you aren't fanatic about it), and then the remaining 20% begins to seem increasingly arcane, and the only reason to stick around becomes the social interactions you have with the other members.
    And the hot sex, of course.

    I'm not sure what changing the appearance of the site would do. It might put some people off, while attracting other people. Or it might boost participation. I really have no clear idea about this.

    I do see a huge amount of value in this site. I've certainly benefited from it greatly in my personal and professional life. I believe that Socionics is true, but not provable. Lol. This presents a problem for anyone who has any scientific bent at all, and can be quite frustrating, even for those who don't.

    When I first arrived here, I made a rule for myself to never date anyone on this site (although I have considered breaking that rule a couple times), so that leaves out the hot sex as a reason to stay involved, and with that gone, all that is left for me is the 20% of the arcane. That, plus sharing stories which illustrate the truth of Socionics in everyday life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    Can you believe that he once told me to stop posting after him or else? I am still abiding @.@
    maybe it was a test #SePolr
    What was the "or else"?

    Did he threaten to type faster and even less coherently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    What was the "or else"?

    Did he threaten to type faster and even less coherently?
    "hey you bug-eyed looking beanpole...don't follow my posts with your dumb pictures again or i'm gonna whack you in the chest...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I don't know about the "central part of the community" being gone. I think the community constantly renews itself as new people discover this site.
    However, I also think that there are a limited number of things that can be said about socionics types and their mutual interactions, and that knowledge can be gained in a fairly short time. (This forum is a huge repository of that information. Nothing like it exists anywhere on the web.)
    This means that you can learn 80% of everything that can accurately be said about socionics in a set amount of time (one or two years, perhaps, if you aren't fanatic about it), and then the remaining 20% begins to seem increasingly arcane, and the only reason to stick around becomes the social interactions you have with the other members.
    And the hot sex, of course.

    I'm not sure what changing the appearance of the site would do. It might put some people off, while attracting other people. Or it might boost participation. I really have no clear idea about this.

    I do see a huge amount of value in this site. I've certainly benefited from it greatly in my personal and professional life. I believe that Socionics is true, but not provable. Lol. This presents a problem for anyone who has any scientific bent at all, and can be quite frustrating, even for those who don't.

    When I first arrived here, I made a rule for myself to never date anyone on this site (although I have considered breaking that rule a couple times), so that leaves out the hot sex as a reason to stay involved, and with that gone, all that is left for me is the 20% of the arcane. That, plus sharing stories which illustrate the truth of Socionics in everyday life.
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    If someone starts a type me thread, if were not for Sol or nifl as back-up, barely anyone repies. And Maritsa took a powder. I was the only one to help an EII in that newer thread.

    *Shames and manipulates her to return, as she invisibly looks on*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I don't know about the "central part of the community" being gone. I think the community constantly renews itself as new people discover this site.
    The number of people and messages could start to reduce since ~2010. If to take any concrete types forum - there should be reduced activity as have appeared more of competing sites/groups for discussions. People are spreaded, decentralized. They also may get more of readers and posters in groups of larger sites (reddit, for example).

    Also exist mobile devices factor, for which interface of other sites can be more comfortable. People for Internet use such devices more and more. They use social networks with advanced mobile support, talk there with pals and in groups of many themes. Most prefer to read and have not much to write about types to use PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    And the hot sex, of course.
    Of course this is what you specifically are always after.

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    If this site will stop to work or will not open registrations too long, there seems as working one of Socionics centered forums.
    http://www.socioclub.org

    The admin is in IT and possibly is not weird in moderating (for example, when people are baned for "wrong" opinions about types on typology sites). He did not visited the forum for some years, but the site works.
    His contacts: http://4xpro.ru , http://xxxxpro.livejournal.com

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    This site will never stop working. Amen
    Use your intuition of progress to guess the likelihood that any bit of information is going to contribute positively to a huge advancement of what is intended to be created. The end result is a massive outburst, or explosion of quantum evolution of mental creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalinoche buenanoche View Post
    "hey you bug-eyed looking beanpole...don't follow my posts with your dumb pictures again or i'm gonna whack you in the chest...."
    Doesn't seem so bad. I like big eyes and I think slender women are hot.

    As to being whacked, tell him you have two chest protectors; Smith and Wesson.

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    As to being whacked, tell him you have two chest protectors; Smith and Wesson.
    My comebacks are not so noir

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    His whole persona seems so absurd it just makes me laugh
    my ideas about socionics:

    https://soziotypen.de/thoughts-on-socionics/

    the section will be updated ever other month or so

    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...-(IEI-edition)

    this is a VI thread with IEI examples

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