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    @MissTrix: I think for sol the mental chain is that due to me making fun of his idiotic personality, I must be mentally ill, and because gays are mentally ill to him, I also must be a homosexual. Because in his eyes gays and other minorities are so unnatural, they can't have duality, it's just not working for them, but how would he know? He probably never interacts with gays outside of observing them on the internet. For someone that is so persistent about relying on facts, he certainly is prone to wild speculations. For sol, the ideal way of men and women to meet is probably by forced marriage with him being old and a girl being like 15 years old or something like it's common in some very conservative nations. How else would he ever even come in contact with them? He has literally no game and tries to flirt with females on this site that want to have nothing to do with him. The only attention he gets is from women like Aster who are very empathetic and kinda feel bad for him. What women won't feel immediate resentment towards him after a week when he told her how stupid she is for being emotional for the 20th time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult View Post
    https://youtu.be/jmjrfs24JtE?si=4c3qytWpO-S4pKgl

    The dual nature of men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    sol giggle like a girl whenever he gets a drop of attention from users, because it's the only kind of attention this pathetic piece of shit gets from other human beings because no one cares about him in real life. in his twisted mind, he thinks I have when I point out how bizarre and creepy it is that he sends an 18 year old woman @Jackass that openly showed distaste for sol he does something inappropriate, and spins it like you have issues for pointing it out. he lives in a delusional fantasy and he did the same countless of times with Maritsa, creating dozens of threads about her and her type when you could clearly see she did not care about his opinion. sol will absolutely harass you and bombard you with messages and if you get annoyed at him he will spin it like you are an irrational F type. to this day I do not understand how he isn't banned here. absolutely dreadful user, and that's not mentioning his homophobia and support for russia. he's the lowest user on this site by far. the only thing that gives him any kind of satisfaction in life is telling you how weak logical you are.
    I'm 17, not 18, and still very much a minor. The guy is a legal pedophile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    I'm 17, not 18, and still very much a minor. The guy is a legal pedophile.
    Ah ok, someone said recently you are 18 years old so I thought well maybe she just had a birthday but I was internally sure you mentioned 17 a couple of times in chat and I was also sure sol must be aware of that. A 50 year old user sending pics with bdsm notes to a 17 year old. Cool and normal. I'm certainly emotional for pointing out how fucked up that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    Ah ok, someone said recently you are 18 years old so I thought well maybe she just had a birthday but I was internally sure you mentioned 17 a couple of times in chat and I was also sure sol must be aware of that. A 50 year old user sending pics with bdsm notes to a 17 year old. Cool and normal. I'm certainly emotional for pointing out how fucked up that is
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    I'm 17, not 18, and still very much a minor. The guy is a legal pedophile.
    Sorry @one but I have to write one more message.

    @Jackass: I know you hate sol just as much as me. I try to remain neutral but it's really difficult, especially considering that he keeps posting about me everywhere and whines about me to the moderators how evil I am and how I am destroying the website while completely ignoring his own shit. There wasn't a single post by him that mentioned how he did something wrong, no excuse, nothing. After he was told about your age he even doubled-down with this post which you might have not seen but he got a warning for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @Awake @Jackass

    as Alive have found this as so intriguing to whine about
    [image scrubbed]
    It also had sexually suggestive content. He is very bizarre, I do not know if in his culture, this stuff is the most normal thing in the world, or if he has never had any romantic interaction in his life and thinks this sort of stuff is ok, or if he is indeed seriously into minors. I think if you report these interactions, they will have no choice but to permaban him. I do not want it to seem like I am emotioanlly manipulating you, I am very well aware you are 15 years younger and my words can influence decisions somewhat, but I think everyone in the west is aware that all of this is messed up. It's up to you. If you don't care enough to even bother with all of this I can understand that, too. You might not have to report him, as I think his reputation is destroyed anyway. After a week has passed, I doubt anyone will seriously want to be associated with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    Ah ok, someone said recently you are 18 years old so I thought well maybe she just had a birthday but I was internally sure you mentioned 17 a couple of times in chat and I was also sure sol must be aware of that. A 50 year old user sending pics with bdsm notes to a 17 year old. Cool and normal. I'm certainly emotional for pointing out how fucked up that is
    That isn't emotion, that's just pointing out what's morally questionable because it violates the law and rules of this forum and most countries. That's you pointing out injustice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    Sorry @one but I have to write one more message.

    @Jackass: I know you hate sol just as much as me. I try to remain neutral but it's really difficult, especially considering that he keeps posting about me everywhere and whines about me to the moderators how evil I am and how I am destroying the website while completely ignoring his own shit. There wasn't a single post by him that mentioned how he did something wrong, no excuse, nothing. After he was told about your age he even doubled-down with this post which you might have not seen but he got a warning for.
    At least he should get suspended for his actions, if not socially shamed. Even in Russia, promiscuity is very much looked down upon, especially when it's an adult attempting to corrupt the innocents of those who are younger, to groom others into a cult of degeneracy.

    I guess I am just unfazed by it, but it's still a heinous act, and shouldn't go unpunished. It's just as bad if he did that to someone else.


    The age of consent in Russia is 16 years old. However, as with many countries, Russia's age of consent has changed several times. The Criminal Code of the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic (RSFSR) stated that consent was when "sexual maturity" was reached. It was set to 16 years old in 1996 when the Criminal Code of Russia was established, lowered to 14 years old in 1998, and then raised again to 16 in 2003. There is no close-in-age law in Russia. However, articles 134 and 135 of the Criminal Code, which lay out the terms for statutory rape, state that the offender must be 18 or older to be legally liable, thereby establishing roughly the same protections that a close-in-age clause would establish. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ent-by-country



    It also had sexually suggestive content. He is very bizarre, I do not know if in his culture, this stuff is the most normal thing in the world, or if he has never had any romantic interaction in his life and thinks this sort of stuff is ok, or if he is indeed seriously into minors. I think if you report these interactions, they will have no choice but to permaban him. I do not want it to seem like I am emotioanlly manipulating you, I am very well aware you are 15 years younger and my words can influence decisions somewhat, but I think everyone in the west is aware that all of this is messed up. It's up to you. If you don't care enough to even bother with all of this I can understand that, too. You might not have to report him, as I think his reputation is destroyed anyway. After a week has passed, I doubt anyone will seriously want to be associated with him.
    It's obvious he is so fucked up mentally because of his inability to serve cunt. You are right, there isn't much stopping him from doing this to other minors, so I should do something about this.

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    Sol has been weird in the past previously towards Vixen. I remember he called her "cute" on her typing thread. And I replied, "Duh of course she's cute. She's a baby." Like in my eyes at that age you're a baby. If people would notice things sooner things wouldn't happen. If there's questionable behavior first and foremost, people should correct it first before it escalates and someone gets hurt. I don't even like this forum but I remember telling Maverick that I only check it to see if Vixen is alright. I'm glad people are speaking about this shit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    That isn't emotion, that's just pointing out what's morally questionable because it violates the law and rules of this forum and most countries. That's you pointing out injustice.
    I was just making a bit of fun about the way sol spins it like I am emotionally influencing subteigh and the illuminati to get him. maybe it's the Fe in me speaking, but keep in mind that the danger of bans is kinda that it could open the floodgates of other accusations and cause a lot of conflict. I'm undecided. I wish he was gone, but the traffic on this site is already pretty low as it is. I can admit that I have said some stuff in the past that should have gotten me a warning too. no one is perfect, but this does seem like it crosses a line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    At least he should get suspended for his actions, if not socially shamed. Even in Russia, promiscuity is very much looked down upon, especially when it's an adult attempting to corrupt the innocents of those who are younger, to groom others into a cult of degeneracy.

    I guess I am just unfazed by it, but it's still a heinous act, and shouldn't go unpunished. It's just as bad if he did that to someone else.


    The age of consent in Russia is 16 years old. However, as with many countries, Russia's age of consent has changed several times. The Criminal Code of the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic (RSFSR) stated that consent was when "sexual maturity" was reached. It was set to 16 years old in 1996 when the Criminal Code of Russia was established, lowered to 14 years old in 1998, and then raised again to 16 in 2003. There is no close-in-age law in Russia. However, articles 134 and 135 of the Criminal Code, which lay out the terms for statutory rape, state that the offender must be 18 or older to be legally liable, thereby establishing roughly the same protections that a close-in-age clause would establish. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ent-by-country





    It's obvious he is so fucked up mentally because of his inability to serve cunt. You are right, there isn't much stopping him from doing this to other minors, so I should do something about this.
    Age of consent only applies if there is consent in the first place. This guy doesn't care if you consent or not, the act of making you uncomfortable and preying on your vulnerability is what most predators want. It's early warning signs. Delete all your pictures and videos off this weird site. Names, locations, everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixie dreams View Post
    Age of consent only applies if there is consent in the first place. This guy doesn't care if you consent or not, the act of making you uncomfortable and preying on your vulnerability is what most predators want. It's early warning signs. Delete all your pictures and videos off this weird site. Names, locations, everything.
    Indeed, It's good I have basic standards. I never consented to this, and the guy is ugly as shit. He is even a shame to his own country, a man shouldn't even initiate degeneracy towards unfamiliar women, especially if he hasn't gotten the respect of the woman's father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awake View Post
    I was just making a bit of fun about the way sol spins it like I am emotionally influencing subteigh and the illuminati to get him. maybe it's the Fe in me speaking, but keep in mind that the danger of bans is kinda that it could open the floodgates of other accusations and cause a lot of conflict. I'm undecided. I wish he was gone, but the traffic on this site is already pretty low as it is. I can admit that I have said some stuff in the past that should have gotten me a warning too. no one is perfect, but this does seem like it crosses a line.

    Lol. Not even minors want sol, he is truly desperate and only a well paid prostitute would reject him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    Indeed, It's good I have basic standards. I never consented to this, and the guy is ugly as shit. He is even a shame to his own country, a man shouldn't even initiate degeneracy towards unfamiliar women, especially if he hasn't gotten the respect of the woman's father.
    That's right. Know your value. Be discerning of who you come into contact with regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixie dreams View Post
    That's right. Know your value. Be discerning of who you come into contact with regardless.
    After all, women have inherent value, and usually give by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    After all, women have inherent value, and usually give by default.
    I agree but sometimes there are women who genuinely don't care. Some give for selfish reasons so it's not altruistic. However, that's not really an issue of sex. Anyone can do that. If you see people for who they are, whether they're a man or woman, then you won't be blinded by their appearance.

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    The best indicator for whether someone is an intuitive (N) or a sensor (S) is whether they are capable of enjoying 2D animation.

    Intuitives are capable of enjoying a quality 2D animation like A Goofy Movie. Sensors can only enjoy live action (but not all types of live-action: the type of acting found in Malcom in the Middle, for instance, they would find distasteful). A sensor will barely tolerate a 3D animated film like the ones produced by Pixar, but generally speaking will reject 2D animation out of principle.

    Intuitives enjoy 3D animation but only in the context of video games. Everywhere else, they prefer 2D animation.

    2D animation itself is an intuitive type (EIE).
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    Some experiences about how IR may manifest on typology forums. A voting would represent most annoyed types.
    Take into account that many ones mistake in own types. As do not use appropriately IR to support the assurance in them. It's also among reasons when someones doubt in own types for long time, due to lack of important data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    : unshakeable and stubborn defense of ideas and beliefs against all opposition, with unwillingness to even discuss the possibility of their not being correct
    Well, this has got old. Ex-forumites would have typed the dogmatic sort IEI

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    @necrosebud

    ESTP: 1 , 2

    ESTJ: 1 , 2

    Conflictors intrigue, but arise higher tension in impressions, more "unusual". To cooperate is harder.
    As you think that your P style chaotic behavior and Se value attractions can't be from Jung type, then only good possibility to understand your mistake are IR.
    Forum talkings are useless for you. For many years.
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    If that ain't Gamma tell me why it isn't and convince me and I'll agree to admit you into the Gamma tribe.
    Beta, m8

    If such a thing as 'gamma type' exists, they won't form tribes. They might try but splinter groups would emerge; Ni, foreseeing this, would obviously warn against such futility

    Gamma types form temporary deliberative assemblies in which they debate the relative merits of trade agreements and how obviously preferable it is to be included in eurozone

    One thing gamma types should understand very well: tribalism is destructive. It brings chaos; chaotic outcomes can't be predicted, therefore run counter to the sort of long-term strategy valued in γ

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    socionics elements from least butchered to most (talking about authors)

    Ti > Fe > Ne > Se > Te > Fi > Si > Ni

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    Quote Originally Posted by anotherperson View Post
    socionics elements from least butchered to most (talking about authors)

    Ti > Fe > Ne > Se > Te > Fi > Si > Ni
    Ni is more butchered than Si -- please elaborate. Their butchery isn't unrelated to one another's though; socionics guts Jungian Si and redistributes some bits of it to Ni

    Te and Se could swap places as well; otherwise, I agree with your list.

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    From making most to least sense to me:

    Ni>Fe>Se>Fi>Ti>>>>>>Si>Te>Ne

    The last three are weak for IEI, I wonder what that implies.
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    I think astrology is in the intersection of EIE and IEE. From 72archetypes.

    peeping tom monkey hides and skulks while miladying in his fedora hat since manners are the glue that hold Xeelee and Psychopath in half-measures and closes his eyes! wide shut to avoid collecting bad memories or seeing anything more than he absolutely has to, things he knows absolutely he can handle like Superman can handle mere mortals because he is oh so sensitive and weak! while covering his ass
    There is a recent analysis of Goku vs. Superman and it was objectively surprising on how much of Superman's powers relied on astrological concepts. It's like everything Superman does comes from astrology. Including Superman himself who came from a star. This is also confirmed by Victor Gulenko's article on the Philosophy of Types regarding EIE's worldview.

    The Mentor (EIE): god, fate, destiny rule the world. This type is one of the most oriented at mysticism and religion, honestly believing in its own messiahood, seeing itself as a missionary for forces cosmic or divine.
    It superficially looks LII because it talks about the stars and the cosmos, but it is merged together with another type that isn't covered in Socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    @necrosebud

    ESTP: 1 , 2

    ESTJ: 1 , 2

    Conflictors intrigue, but arise higher tension in impressions, more "unusual". To cooperate is harder.
    As you think that your P style chaotic behavior and Se value attractions can't be from Jung type, then only good possibility to understand your mistake are IR.
    Forum talkings are useless for you. For many years.
    Your ego defenses are much stronger than I realized

    makes sense tho given what I imagine must have been a lifetime of dodging any social feedback…and that this patterns is so entrenched so ego-syntonic at this age for you



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    Jung: "You did read again Augustinavichiute's description of functions?"

    Dichotomies are based on Jung's definitions of functions and e/i. Augustinavichiute contradicts to this in some places.
    Socionics is about IR which work with Jung's definitions. And not with random baseless nonsense from Augustinavichiute and who else.

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    Somehow I disagree with socionics theory that people from the same quadra tends to get along well. I think out of all the 4 types that are in the same quadra, only duals are able to get along well.

    I just can't seemed to stand anyone in my quadra unless they're my dual SLEs.

    Even my identicals IEIs, whenever I spend time with other IEIs, it makes me realise that I'd rather be alone because their drama is draining me too much.
    And my mirror EIEs and activity LSIs tend to piss me off too because their J-ness makes them so rigid.

    My dual SLEs are the only people in my quadra whom I could tolerate for long periods of time. Everyone else in my quadra sucks.

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    I can’t get enough of how crazy it was Petter typed philosophers high reason high intuition, mechanics high reason low intuition, and athletes low intuition low reason.

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    “I didn't say half the things I said.” ― Gulenko
    There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is discovering socionics.
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby13357 View Post
    Somehow I disagree with socionics theory that people from the same quadra tends to get along well. I think out of all the 4 types that are in the same quadra, only duals are able to get along well.

    I just can't seemed to stand anyone in my quadra unless they're my dual SLEs.

    Even my identicals IEIs, whenever I spend time with other IEIs, it makes me realise that I'd rather be alone because their drama is draining me too much.
    And my mirror EIEs and activity LSIs tend to piss me off too because their J-ness makes them so rigid.

    My dual SLEs are the only people in my quadra whom I could tolerate for long periods of time. Everyone else in my quadra sucks.
    I just realised that I'm feeling this way because I love Se but I hate Fe.

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    When noobs whine to ban those who disagree with their opinions about the typology on its site is similar when psychiatric patients of an assylum would ask its director to retire medics because don't like tastes of meds and other common threatment methods.
    The result will be the same - potential worsening of patients' state and loosing the usefulness of the organisation.
    The problem is that the director is not a medic, but a random manager who may understand the situation not better.

    Retired medics may go to another place or to make own, with more adequate understanding of what is useful. While incorrectly managed assylums will be becoming trashbins full of nonsense and people with inadequate behavior, which will can use them only as a place for chating party with cargocult decorations on Jung types theme.

    Psychiatric patients are selfdestructive and not rarely harmful for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    When noobs whine to ban those who disagree with their opinions about the typology on its site is similar when psychiatric patients of an assylum would ask its director to retire medics because don't like tastes of meds and other common threatment methods.
    The result will be the same - potential worsening of patients' state and loosing the usefulness of the organisation.
    The problem is that the director is not a medic, but a random manager who may understand the situation not better.

    Retired medics may go to another place or to make own, with more adequate understanding of what is useful. While incorrectly managed assylums will be becoming trashbins full of nonsense and people with inadequate behavior, which will can use them only as a place for chating party with cargocult decorations on Jung types theme.

    Psychiatric patients are selfdestructive.
    Sol, you at least have one personality disorder your own self..
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    The fact you can’t even see your own self as problematic is a cognitive distortion.
    I am in my head; not society.

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    You view your controlling, micromanaging and emotionally abusive behaviors as normal, because of the way you grew up and how they have ingrained in your brain. You’ve seen them work for you for some time, but now in your very late stages of adulthood, you are ruining interpersonal means and are getting many to dislike you, and it is a rigid pattern of fixed behavior.
    I am in my head; not society.

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    You are abusing your own self emotionally too, by cutting off people from you, which is a human need in some form or another, and also by torturing yourself with anxiety. But you can’t see it, because you’re convinced you’re right and that everyone else is the issue. The issue is yourself. You aren’t wrong that this community attracts pathology, but you aren’t from this, exempt. In fact, for you to be here this long on this site, with the same repeated behavior demonstrates that.
    I am in my head; not society.

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    Rather than dwell in this circle jerk of behavior, you would do best to cultivate a more ideal future, where you actually develop as a human, reconcile your mistakes that you’ve made from your own learnt childhood, and that you truly do not know have hurt others.. And to abandon typology, because it has actually made you more sick, and fed into your compulsions.
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    To be in this asylum, as you call it, you yourself had be sick to find your way into it.

    You are stagnant. There is little life in you, as to live is to move… I don’t mean in the physical sense…

    If you cannot see the future of yourself better… Then you should try to reach this.. Because you only have the future to look to with the made mistakes. Only the future is there for you to become your ideal self.. And for the Sol, that isn’t “soul” to be put to rest.. When this happens, you will feel much better, and you will have real relationships with nature, others and even you as an individual.

    Where can you develop the U, your own self.
    I am in my head; not society.

    Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am.​ Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).


    My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…


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