No, not LII. I don't build logically consistant systems, I look at them and compare them. I tend to see a lot of flaws in what Ti builds because it can become impractical fast.
Ti leads like G can live in their head making stuff up that's difficult for people to make sense of, you kind of have to step into their mind to get it and that's a difficult thing to do.
Random question, have you ever wished to be another type like ILI? I remember you said you liked ESI's description so much you had wanted to be that, so maybe it's part of it. As an unconscious thing.
The Aim To Know test gives me ILI like most tests. I look at how things evolve through time and prefer practicality over any sort of creation of atmosphere, so yeah, there's not many options, lol.
I love dual seeking Te.
Te is about counter-intuitive solutions that work when it matters most, that's why Te rules the world. It's perfect strategy.
Alive: "Oh great, the IEI is going to tank even though we all know he will wipe the party doing that" (says Alive, the Te PoLR who isn't good at switching strategies in a whim, and yes we'd all probably die if Alive was the main tank)
but the monster/narcissist expects the Ti strategy as it's too much a pretty ribbon - and the right bad guy can get in your head. You have to mix it up to catch him off guard, which Te excels at.
Se by itself doesn't do anything. It's just so basic and blah. Se is basic bitch power, Te is POWER.
Right @Beautiful sky ?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
They figure out what to do where my morals would otherwise limit my actions. Like Estj would tell me to go study computer science since I can work in the field and in the future work will be plentiful in the field of computers and robotics. However, I don’t like that field so I don’t think I would be great in such an impersonal field. Just because they can figure out logically what the world will be like and what actions people should take doesn’t mean it fits for people
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I swear, I've met more ILIs and gotten along with more ILIs than I have LIIs, lol. I think my boyfriend is also ILI, or a less extroverted LIE. Kinda hard to tell for me.
I always wish I was better at Te, for sure. Sometimes close contact with Te users rubs me the wrong way a bit since their focus on Te feels abrasive to my focus on other IEs, as well as my lack of Te, but I always appreciate their focus on it because it almost always leads to good results (in my experience). I've known a few LSIs and I love them (like my dad), but I've come to notice how their main focus on Ti occasionally leads to some impractical and undesirable situations. I don't know, it's like their focus on a strict system of logic that personally works for them isn't always sustainable, so as much as I admire Ti, I feel like there are times when strong Ti doesn't lead to any good results. I've never been results-oriented, but when something has to get done, I see Te-ego people often leading the way most efficiently, and even if their occasionally domineering nature makes me want to cry lol, I know it's always leading somewhere good, so I tend to trust them with authority positions more.
And yes, I admire ESIs a lot! I think Se coupled with Fi is very useful. I always want to be more ethically disciplined and motivated like them.
Te is businesslike and professional, not necessarily inhumane. Inhumane is Se, who justifies bullying and physical aggression and serial killing. 'Te rules the world & runs the banks, Se gets u sent to prison' - I thought that was basically the ascribed mentality. Even when Se is not illegal or immoral, it's only neutral at best...like u manipulated an object for your own ends etc. ((and it works for victim types cuz they like to be manipulated this way)) Te is so dynamic and mobile though - it's going to help a lot of people just not yourself, but it still helps you most of all.
Te can be too impersonal without Fi though. Like Adam Strange can only feel human if he's on a date with a ESI who does the Fi stuff for him.
Nvm, I'm just trolling and adding a counter-arguement for the sake of discussion. Half-way j/k?
Is Se... touching people , or is it touching people? - or does it all just depend on the Moral Health Level of the 4D Se person? I mean yeah, I get that behaviors don't really neatly translate over to psychological functions, but there still has to be some type of psychological function most connected and 'grounded' to the physical world, of the root chakra stuff- or Malkuth in Kabbalah I think it's called.
Most spiritualists consider this the lowest level of spirituality cuz it's the 'physical street world' and spirituality has a NF bias probably- but without it, u wouldn't ever feel the serious-ness of anything or how hot it is when Chad slaps you in the face consentually. People who 'refuse to hit the pavement' are just narcissistic and annoying - so it's probably very misguided that people view Se/Red Root Chakra/Malkuth as this way.
adam strange was constantly talking about stupid dates and female encounters he had. that guy was probably an ethical type in denial.
My boyfriend is sx 1, my dad is sx 6, and I'm sx 9. We're all a bunch of sexies, I guess
yeah, it's possible. he was also quite courteous and nice, good at handling people - LIE are much more blunt and clumsy in this manner, even with strong intuition. some NF type, maybe
@NarcOprahGayStr8
to touch something can have several purposes: Se is direct perception of and interaction with material reality, Si is the subjective experience of the quality of sensory information. physically pleasant relation with objects (for example, that food should be nice to the taste, that sounds shouldn't be grating or too loud) is less important for Se valuing types, direct perception (to see what is there, for example) and interaction/manipulation (to be aware of where things are, to have control of them etc.) less important for Si valuing.
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What quadra do I come across as belonging to, disregarding my self-typing?
Quadra's values are not good for typing, they can be influenced by your parents, your community, or whatever else
For example, the educational system in my country teaches children ( from their first year in school until they finish university ) values of a particular Quadra , so you will find many people in my country who are affected by it even if they're from the opposite Quadra
Souls know their way back home
Betas are nice. It's everybody else that's usually the asshole, they are just projecting. /rubs @Bethany
Me telling somebody's outfit looks like trash is being nice, saying it looks good when it doesn't is what a cruel bitch would do or how the therapist says 'I'm here to help you' when it's more like 'I'm here to steal you or your parent's money."
U come off like a nice EIE to me @kuno. But kind EIEs can't exist in this system, they are all evil overlords, H*tlars in training or genius savant mastermind wives of Gulenko that he can't say anything bad about or she'll divorce his ass and get the double-wide trailer too.
I think I understand your point, but I disagree. If we assume that the quadras are correctly defined, I don't see how they aren't helpful for typing.
For eg. (not a very well thought out example but anyway): Society can force someone to be humble, to always give the benefit of the doubt, to be receptive and unassuming, etc. but in contrast, if someone is naturally attracted to power and status, has a genuine sense of high self-importance and a belief in that he/she's better/more exceptional than most, they will only fake possessing the imposed values in situations where they believe it's beneficial for them to do so, and eventually will overcompensate in some obnoxious way.
There's no faking until you make it, when it comes individuation.
if socionic values are not good for typing, then it is not good to type people from what they are more focused on, interested in and like to think about
Everything come from Adam mouth/hand is Te in it’s purest form. From the way he organized his post, always so easy to read, to how he talk about using differrent type people in work to exploit their maximum worth… he has so much things about Te that I want to learn from lmao…
Don’t get fool by his politeness. He’s Sx first so he may seem softer than average LIE, but it’s very normal for LIE to act polite in public. Only when working with them you would see how angry they are when things don’t go their way.
This is the problem of many people in typology community, they only look at superficial behavior and ignore the more important things like how a person thinks for example.Don’t get fool by his politeness. He’s Sx first so he may seem softer than average LIE, but it’s very normal for LIE to act polite in public. Only when working with them you would see how angry they are when things don’t go their way.
Many people at my previous school used to think that I'm EIE because I smile and show some enthusiasm in public, but if they had come a little closer to me they would have realized how bad my Fi really is, and that I cannot express my feelings really beyond enthusiasm.
Souls know their way back home
Just because a person is confused or not conscious about their values and traits enough to fully comprehend or verbalize them on their own, it doesn't mean that they cannot be observed. Function development gives clarity to the individual, not to the outside world. But none of this applies to @kuno, his behaviour is fairly consistent on this forum and I just assumed his type based on his video and my interactions with him; I didn't make my assumption by impersonally analyzing a written resume of a bunch self-admitted values coming from a totally unknown indvidiual who may or may not be self-aware.
the beta secret weapon, my latest theory is that SEI/ESI/IEI/LSI are special and people love it. Even if they act like dicks, they will keep coming back lol. (in a good way). Because we are patient, it’s a drug to people? Sit back and watch the drama unfold lol.
Everyone loves Cillian Murphy in the UK (IEI) he is just so cool and nonchalant
My LSE boss has literally shouted at me before for appearing too calm lol
But yeah I’ve been so anxious in the past I want to be like Cillian…
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I'm glad Sol and Marista are finally correctly typed as IEI
EII probably makes some of the best art (don't know about music though, no great EII pop stars come to mind but maybe they are more underground.) But stuff like Van Gogh and Charlotte Bronte, it's very powerful and beautiful. (Also actors.) They could be the best type at art overall. LSE is probably quite good at visual art/ music but not good/great at writing. IEI is unique, EIE is beautiful and educational, ESE/SEI is beautiful and instructional, ILE is moving, ESI is energising, ILI is raw, LSI is inspiring, IEE is romantic, SEE is likely innovative, that's it so far.
LSE could be good at lyrics, not sure about novels
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I've actually learnt to be more like an LSE when handling annoying people like my landlord, after experiencing manipulative bullying from an LSE. Maybe LSE will learn to be nice
@Alive I think IEI as a type are very inspiring individuals, and without their existence probably not much very good art would be made by any types. We are like walking works of wonderful art
examples for some I mentioned above
EIE- Shakespeare/Dickens
ESE- Diana Gabaldon, writer of Outlander
SEI- Sufjan Stevens
ILE- the guy who made the show The OC (It's beautiful)
ESI- Beyonce/ Lana del Rey
ILI- George RR Martin/ Emily Bronte
LSI- Thomas Hardy
IEI- Kevin Reynolds, director, maybe Keats the poet too
IEE- DH Lawrence
I'm not idealising them, I like to figure out types so that I have examples of types to admire. It's also a more fun way of understanding types than reading socionics lit
Last edited by Bethanyclaire; 02-09-2023 at 09:39 AM.
@nifl are we? I’m not lol. Maybe accidentally. I’m going through a particularly grumpy phase atm.
I’m not a Dickens expert but he seems more clever funny like an EIE, he’s such a story teller as well..and his work is almost fantastical, like an EIE dreaming up some alternative world where they put the world to rights, but in reality it’s not that simple
The characters are great..so ott lol
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Me, next month: But what if I'm actually SLE?