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    autism is Ni related btw. you shut yourself off from reality. very common among harmonizing subtypes
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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    autism is Ni related btw. you shut yourself off from reality. very common among harmonizing subtypes
    Do you know what autism is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Do you know what autism is?
    Evidently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Do you know what autism is?
    a quote from gulenko on Ni

    "Many especially talented theoreticians involved in abstract sciences (mathematicians, computer programmers) have strong accentuation that leads to autism-like traits, deep sinking into their mental imagery to the point of ignoring of external reality."

    he gives Grigori Perelman as example. from my own observation, many INxx types get diagnosed with autism or asperger, more than any other type. I think we had this discussion already though.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    a quote from gulenko on Ni

    "Many especially talented theoreticians involved in abstract sciences (mathematicians, computer programmers) have strong accentuation that leads to autism-like traits, deep sinking into their mental imagery to the point of ignoring of external reality."

    he gives Grigori Perelman as example. from my own observation, many INxx types get diagnosed with autism or asperger, more than any other type. I think we had this discussion already though.
    To put it in empirical context: a person who can not properly establish him/herself volitionally while adjusting to social cues. Meet your run of the mill gamma NT's. I think alpha NT's are closer to cluster A PD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    To put it in empirical context: a person who can not properly establish him/herself volitionally while adjusting to social cues. Meet your run of the mill gamma NT's. I think alpha NT's are closer to cluster A PD's.
    Posting because this is an extremely high-quality astute observation and summary and it needs to be framed for posterity and deserves more likes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    a quote from gulenko on Ni

    "Many especially talented theoreticians involved in abstract sciences (mathematicians, computer programmers) have strong accentuation that leads to autism-like traits, deep sinking into their mental imagery to the point of ignoring of external reality."

    he gives Grigori Perelman as example. from my own observation, many INxx types get diagnosed with autism or asperger, more than any other type. I think we had this discussion already though.
    That's an archaic and smarmy use of "autism," not ASD. Ni would be more like psychosis, which is usually considered related in being cut off from the outside world but also the polar opposite of ASD in many ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    That's an archaic and smarmy use of "autism," not ASD. Ni would be more like psychosis, which is usually considered related in being cut off from the outside world but also the polar opposite of ASD in many ways.
    I would correlate Ni with psychosis more as well based on what I know about Ni, but the prospect of it being related to ASD is interesting

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    I refuse being typed IEI then!!

    No, honestly though, I was thinking someone I knew with autism was IEI actually I didn't really correlate it to the type just... that happens to be his likely typing. I've always been curious when into MBTI how a lot of people with autism would type, particularly on the S/N front. Interesting topic... I actually knew a self-proclaimed SEI with autism too. I'm not sure if he typed himself correctly though.

    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    a quote from gulenko on Ni

    "Many especially talented theoreticians involved in abstract sciences (mathematicians, computer programmers) have strong accentuation that leads to autism-like traits, deep sinking into their mental imagery to the point of ignoring of external reality."

    he gives Grigori Perelman as example. from my own observation, many INxx types get diagnosed with autism or asperger, more than any other type. I think we had this discussion already though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    autism is Ni related btw. you shut yourself off from reality. very common among harmonizing subtypes
    It is true autism is pertaining to Ni, don't know what the other people were giving you hard time about, other than maybe the shutting off from reality part, which that is more a schizoid tactic. They mirror autism, but it is different, they do not have developmental delay or theory of mind challenge, but will be socially awkward as result of withdrawing and lesser having chance to engage socially and up-keep in that skill.

    Gulenko and Jung both said Ni is related to autism. I am a diagnosed autistic who is IEI, and most every other diagnosed autistic I know, is an ILI. I know one SEI diagnosed pwASD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braingel View Post
    It is true autism is pertaining to Ni, don't know what the other people were giving you hard time about, other than maybe the shutting off from reality part, which that is more a schizoid tactic. They mirror autism, but it is different, they do not have developmental delay or theory of mind challenge, but will be socially awkward as result of withdrawing and lesser having chance to engage socially and up-keep in that skill.

    Gulenko and Jung both said Ni is related to autism. I am a diagnosed autistic who is IEI, and most every other diagnosed autistic I know, is an ILI. I know one SEI diagnosed pwASD.
    I'm sorry was autism even a concept in Jung's era?

    I would also find it rich that gulenko would call Ni, autism. Just goes to show some socionists cannot properly conceptualize Ni at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I'm sorry was autism even a concept in Jung's era?

    I would also find it rich that gulenko would call Ni, autism. Just goes to show some socionists cannot properly conceptualize Ni at all.
    Gulenko directly stated it, Jung must have defined characteristics that eventually penned of autism.
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    TBH the rape is sexy thing is more of a meme for me. I don't really mean that. I just like the idea of being forced to submit, which isn't the same thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat View Post
    TBH the rape is sexy thing is more of a meme for me. I don't really mean that. I just like the idea of being forced to submit, which isn't the same thing
    There needs to be a better name for it. “Consensual rape” is an oxymoron.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    There needs to be a better name for it. “Consensual rape” is an oxymoron.

    I think "Forced Submission" could be a good word for it.

    But I don't do the labels and stuff, I leave that for deltas to figure out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    There needs to be a better name for it. “Consensual rape” is an oxymoron.
    Yeah, I don't know what to call it though. I also don't really like being super explicit about "enthusiastic verbal consent" either... Kinda kills the mood for me. I want a person I love to just understand by my tone of voice and coyness that I want them to dominate me and then let me pretend I don't want it and vice versa. Actual rape definitely isn't hot to me, but predator/prey dynamics in love are super hot and loads of fun. It's honestly strange to me that some people wouldn't want to chase each other around the house, tackle their significant other to the floor, then fuck their brains out lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lunacik View Post
    There needs to be a better name for it. “Consensual rape” is an oxymoron.
    I think it's called "ravishing", animals do that all the time but when humans do it, it's considered semi-rape

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