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    These may go ignored, but I’m going to try anyway . Any ideas on her type. I like a lot of her music, but I did notice she seemed a bit cranky when I first saw her live (at first, seemed to warm up a bit and made some comment about caterpillars seeing in Lisa Frank colors). I feel like she values Ni, maybe Se, Te... She seems nice, but kind of distant? She lives in Asheville, North Carolina which is a hippy ass place









    The last song is about confronting her shadow archetype and embracing it

    Some lyrics-

    All Mirrors

    "I've been watchin' all of my past repeatin'There's no endin', and when I stop pretendin'
    See you standin', a million moments landin'
    On your smile, buried alive, I could have
    Died to stay there, never have to leave there
    All this trouble tryin' to catch right up with me
    I keep movin', knowin' someday that I will be
    Standin', facin', all mirrors are erasin'
    Losin' beauty, at least at times it knew me
    At least at times it knew me
    At least at times it knew me

    Standing, facin', all mirrors are erasin'
    Losin' beauty, at least at times it knew me
    Standin', facin', all mirrors are erasin'
    Losin' beauty, at least at times it knew me
    At least at times it knew me
    At least at times it knew me"

    Stars
    "I think you like to see me lose my mindYou treat me like a child, I'm angry, blind
    I feel so much at once that I could scream
    I wish I had the voice of everything
    I wish I had the voice of everything
    To scream the animals, to scream the earth
    To scream the stars out of our universe
    To scream it all back into nothingness
    To scream the feeling 'til there's nothing left
    To scream the feeling 'til there's nothing left
    I'll close my eyes
    I'll close my eyes and try to breathe for the world
    Well you could change my mind with just a smile
    And just before I turn to leave, I think
    I could use the thoughts you've given me
    Oh, I could use the thoughts you've given me

    To sing the animals, to sing the earth
    To sing the stars into our universe
    To sing it all back into something new
    To sing for life, for myself, and maybe you
    Wish I had the voice of everything, sometimes
    Wish I had the voice of everything
    I'll close my eyes
    I'll close my eyes and try to breathe for the world
    Ooh, for the world
    Ooh, for the world
    Oh oh oh oh ah
    Yes, for the world"




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    I don't go crazy for her music only because it has the flavor of a meal you made yourself and that's how familiar she is, which may prevent me from totally enjoying her but it's nice. You saw her live! We probably have similar tastes.

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    Do you think she could be ESI? Because that's how I've been leaning, but I don't know enough about Socionics yet.
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    My watch is blurry when I look down at my hands
    I'm just another, alive with impossible plans
    I turn the lights low but we both know where we are
    And when it's over, what becomes of your pure heart?

    A love that never seems to curse or to confine
    Will be forever never lost or too defined
    To lose the feeling of an endless searching through
    How to have made what is never about me or you
    That is the kind of love I'd always dreamed to be
    However painful, let it break down all of me

    'Til I am nothing else but the feeling
    'Til I am nothing else but the feeling
    Becoming true
    Becoming true
    Can't help feeling the way that I do
    Can't help feeling the way that I do
    Become a prophet
    Become a fool

    I'll let the light shine in
    I'll let the light shine in
    I'll let…
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    gamma intro? probably ESI-Fi

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    But since Adam is not here yet, she could be entirely different type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    But since Adam is not here yet, she could be entirely different type
    @Anglas, I do think she is ESI. Probably an ESI e4.

    She's kind of weird, because she looks a bit like an IEI, but close examination shows that she prefers Se to Ni. Also, she's sitting in an old Mercedes. Is that an LIE decoy? Lol.

    From her song "Sister" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mIA1r2ZELU:

    I want to know you
    I want to show you < Aggressor
    I want to be there
    I want to see her
    Piece us together < Fi
    Know it's forever < Ni weakness
    Show me the future < LIE Ni seeking
    Tell me you'll be there < Fi valuing
    I want to go where < Wants to travel, like every ESI ever.
    Nobody knows fear < LIEs are said to be fearless. Stupid, but fearless.
    I want to follow <introvert.
    My heart down that wild road.


    Every type has a phrase they want to hear (and their dual supplies it). SLI wants to hear "I appreciate you." LSE wants to hear "You are respected." ILI wants to hear "I want you."
    I think, what I'd like a woman to say to me, is "I want you." Or maybe "I love you". I think she's saying that in those videos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
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    I don't type her but in your unsubstantiated, random assertion that's so different than what's been stated, I suspect that you're being contrary because it amuses you? You could show that my suspicion is incorrect by providing a reasoning, any at all, for the typing.

    ("She looks like one" wouldn't do it for me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    I don't type her but in your unsubstantiated, random assertion that's so different than what's been stated, I suspect that you're being contrary because it amuses you?
    I've opened the theme. Clicked on the clip to see it on youtube. Have looked several clips with her. Has decided about the type. And when returned to the theme to post my opinion I've read what others wrote. It's common.
    I have high skepsis to what others think about types. It's not a wish to say another type. Others here due to higher conformism (as noobs do not trust themselves) may to show more of conciliation, - this may lead that I oppose to many ones which said similar opinion.

    > You could show that my suspicion is incorrect by providing a reasoning, any at all, for the typing.

    I provide correct types. The reasoning noobs search themselves.

    > ("She looks like one" wouldn't do it for me)

    I'd tolerate
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    @Sol congratulations on being the most delusional forum member

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglas View Post
    congratulations on being the most delusional forum member
    congratulations on showing another lack of reason common for F types
    and the lack of typing skills with mindless conformism common for noobs, especially the ones mistyping themselves

    you still doubt in own type, but are sure in own opinion about the type of other one. in this you oppose to the opinion of the one who has far better than average typing exprience. as the addition to your thinking issues, you ignore in yourself the mentioned inadequate behavior and baselessly mark so your opponent. you do what is expected from Fe types - personal switching with negative emotional marks during arguing, even in logical theme as typing. meanwhile having this approach you assign yourself base T type, what is another your inadequacy. that you dislike my argumentations related mainly to Te is also expected for your Fe type. you are funny

    base T types are not clowning alike you do. as they are not emotional. your clowning is seen even on your avatar and the signature. but you can't think good enough to notice the wide evidences of having F type. it's not even theory trouble, it's thinking trouble as all is on the surface. you follow to emotions in assigning to yourself some type. the reality is secondary to this, you just ignore it. but as delusional having the mindless aproach you paradoxically name the opponents

    as you fantasy her as own dual, while having EIE, so this supports not bad IR with her or a type with functions supplement. Ti type as ILE fits to your sympathy to her. SLE is secondary possible

    while noobs which think that girl as base Fi - do not understand what Fi types are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @Anglas, I do think she is ESI. Probably an ESI e4.
    Also, she's sitting in an old Mercedes. Is that an LIE decoy? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @Anglas, I do think she is ESI. Probably an ESI e4.
    Every type has a phrase they want to hear (and their dual supplies it). SLI wants to hear "I appreciate you." LSE wants to hear "You are respected." ILI wants to hear "I want you."
    I think, what I'd like a woman to say to me, is "I want you." Or maybe "I love you". I think she's saying that in those videos.
    You should say what it is for the rest of the types. I am curious.
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    I actually considered if she be a more logic-based type over ethics-based type myself (am I saying that right)? ESI is my gut feeling on this though from what I do know so far.
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    I just want to also say that my gut doesn't mean shit lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    I actually considered if she be a more logic-based type over ethics-based type myself (am I saying that right)? ESI is my gut feeling on this though from what I do know so far.
    Right. T types have more of logical contents than emotional ones in the consciousness. The type is a balance.
    For intuitive typing is mostly used VI. With typing practice and watching people it will work better. My types examples may help to study VI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    congratulations on showing another lack of reason common for F types
    and the lack of typing skills with mindless conformism common for noobs, especially the ones mistyping themselves

    you still doubt in own type, but are sure in own opinion about the type of other one. in this you oppose to the opinion of the one who has far better than average typing exprience. as the addition to your thinking issues, you ignore in yourself the mentioned inadequate behavior and baselessly mark so your opponent. you do what is expected from Fe types - personal switching with negative emotional marks during arguing, even in logical theme as typing. meanwhile having this approach you assign yourself base T type, what is another your inadequacy. that you dislike my argumentations related mainly to Te is also expected for your Fe type. you are funny

    base T types are not clowning alike you do. as they are not emotional. your clowning is seen even on your avatar and the signature. but you can't think good enough to notice the wide evidences of having F type. it's not even theory trouble, it's thinking trouble as all is on the surface. you follow to emotions in assigning to yourself some type. the reality is secondary to this, you just ignore it. but as delusional having the mindless aproach you paradoxically name the opponents

    as you fantasy her as own dual, while having EIE, so this supports not bad IR with her or a type with functions supplement. Ti type as ILE fits to your sympathy to her. SLE is secondary possible

    while noobs which think that girl as base Fi - do not understand what Fi types are
    Haha you got so insulted. Its ok sol you are safe with us.
    You should play less cs go, because calling somebody a noob makes you look like a 5 year old.
    I dont have any doubts about my type, you are being delusional once again.
    Better than average typing experience? More delusions.
    I dislike your typings because most of them are pretty bad.
    Yeah t types cant be funny, alright. Great observation, bravo.
    I mean I get it sol, you are doing this for more than decade and you are still bad it. You are too narrow minded for something like socionics.

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    @Anglas
    also your sympathy to ******ism fits better to EIE than LIE

    the signature expresses the liking to antihumanism in the form of genocide

    the posted own photo has the sarcasm about the poverty of black race people of Africa. starting with kids. represents the hate to that race and liking the fantasies of being above them

    And that all was posted as the representation of himself. Not just ideas said somewhere. He associates that deeply with own personality values.

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    After 8 years on the forum you still doubt in own type and create a typing theme. It's T region - "what is something", "what a type is". And you are not sure in it. Base T types are the most reasonable. They gather the data until become assured in something and only then accept the opinion. So they are the least to change or doubt in it, after it was accepted. If they start to doubt in own type - they'd prefer to remove it from the profile or to note somehow the doubts (especially such is for base Te types, which value the objectivity of the data), - what you did not do.
    Also base T which doubts even in own type will doubt in own typing skills in general. Because it's just reasonably. While you behave the opposite, - you can't understand own type, but also claim your assurance about types of other people, even of famouses about which you know almost nothing.
    What you do is significantly against what base T type would behave. This points on your F type with good possibility. Fe one, according to the morality views and the style of emotional opposing. The liking to physical violence points on Se value. Beta F. By the photo you are closer to EIE than IEI, the same is with your current opinion about own type as LIE.

    Having troubles in yourself with distinguishing T/F and Fi/Fe values, you have them with typing other people. Such you think as base Fi the girl who is T and Fe valued type. It's the most mess in your head about these types traits.
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    Excuse you? More false assumptions. I dont think there are humor limits thats all. For a russian you are quite emotional, maybe its you who are a f type.

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    I was going to post about ****** cuz of sols post but then I remembered this is a fresh thread started by a relatively new member, about a celebrity typing. U guys should take it outside, no shirts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    I was going to post about ****** cuz of sols post but then I remembered this is a fresh thread started by a relatively new member, about a celebrity typing. U guys should take it outside, no shirts.
    I've said arguments for the weakness of Anglas's opinion for ESI typing. As he've switched to subjective factor of typers, I've argumented in that region. The approach was started by you, when you've supposed me wishing not the truth but to express a different opinion. Now you see the same done by others and claim it's not related to the topic. But anything said relates - the difference in the meaning of the opinions said here. The opinions of noobs and of not independent opinions have lower value, what should be taken into account.
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    I hope she is ESI because that means I typed right To be fair, Sol's typing of myself (and he mentioned a couple possible types, the other of which I looked into the stacking on last night, and also made a lot of sense) I think is pretty good. I did notice his contrarian behavior pretty fast and I'm sure you guys have legit reasons for being frustrated with him, I think I got frustrated with him a bit and made some snide remark to him somewhere on the board and I haven't even been here long, but I do appreciate his difference in opinion at the same time, at least right now, lol. Even if he is delusional, I don't know, I don't think that completely writes off his having some merit in certain instances. This typology shit be complex and I can appreciate different ways of looking into things/different ways of observing.

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    Sounds pretty aggressive lol:

    Shut Up Kiss Me

    I ain't hanging up this time
    I ain't giving up tonight
    Even if you walk around
    As though you think you're right
    At your worst I still believe
    It's worth the fight

    I could make it all go away
    Tell me what you think and don't delay
    We could still be having some sweet memories
    This heart still beats for you
    Why can't you see?

    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight
    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight
    Stop your crying, it's alright
    Shut up kiss me, hold me tight

    Stop pretending I'm not there
    When it's clear I'm not going anywhere
    If I'm out of sight then take another look around
    I'm still out there hoping to be found

    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight
    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight
    Stop your crying, it's alright
    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight
    Shut up, kiss me, hold me tight

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