What would you type me?

[Alonzo]

I think you're probably ESI-Fi (accentuated Fi/Fe and Ni/Ne), 9w1.

EII or SEI are too disparate to be viable choices--3D Ne creative and 1D Ne suggestive show up very differently in the world. Moreover, I see a dearth of Ne or Ne seeking in your comments--frankly you don't even seem to value it, at all. But you know what reasonable compromise sits somewhere in between EII and SEI? ESI > strong 4D Si and Fi and 2D valued intuition as a hidden agenda, which means it will play a more immediately significant role in your psyche.

Several times you mentioned focusing a lot on the future, though you feel somewhat insecure about how it will actually unfold, which is typical for weak 2D Ni. It must also be said that "daydreaming daily" does not equal intuitive type, no more than doing some sort of physical activity daily equals sensor. Se is my hidden agenda/mobilizing function and it often serves as a release valve for me, which is why I'm always in the gym or sketching/drawing or doing something that involves fine motor skills and tactile perception. But that don't make me a LSI! Lol

Lastly, you're very young and your cognitive functions are still developing. It would be expected for Se to not play a prominent role in your life at the moment, and even more so if you are a Fi subtype and enneagram 9. Also, Se can work a bit differently for Gamma types--it's not so much "offensive" as it is "defensive" in that it prefers to outmaneuver the power displays of others or forcefully keep them at bay, if necessary--especially concerning the preservation of Fi related values. I've known far too many ESIs (and even LSI-Ti types as well) who don't begin to discover and embrace their Se until their 20s.

[angelic]

I think you're probably ESI-Fi (accentuated Fi/Fe and Ni/Ne), 9w1.

EII or SEI are too disparate to be viable choices--3D Ne creative and 1D Ne suggestive show up very differently in the world. Moreover, I see a dearth of Ne or Ne seeking in your comments--frankly you don't even seem to value it, at all. But you know what reasonable compromise sits somewhere in between EII and SEI? ESI > strong 4D Si and Fi and 2D valued intuition as a hidden agenda, which means it will play a more immediately significant role in your psyche.
Several times you mentioned focusing a lot on the future, though you feel somewhat insecure about how it will actually unfold, which is typical for weak 2D Ni. It must also be said that "daydreaming daily" does not equal intuitive type, no more than doing some sort of physical activity daily equals sensor. Se is my hidden agenda/mobilizing function and it often serves as a release valve for me, which is why I'm always in the gym or sketching/drawing or doing something that involves fine motor skills and tactile perception. But that don't make me a LSI! Lol

Lastly, you're very young and your cognitive functions are still developing. It would be expected for Se to not play a prominent role in your life at the moment, and even more so if you are a Fi subtype and enneagram 9. Also, Se can work a bit differently for Gamma types--it's not so much "offensive" as it is "defensive" in that it prefers to outmaneuver the power displays of others or forcefully keep them at bay, if necessary--especially concerning the preservation of Fi related values. I've known far too many ESIs (and even LSI-Ti types as well) who don't begin to discover and embrace their Se until their 20s.

I think I am pretty confident with 2w1 as my core type now. However you bring up some good points, I do feel like my Fi is quite strong. Though saving this, I don't think that I don't value my Ne on the contrary I tend to be a very indecisive person because I go between and through so many possibilities and even in my head when something happens I play out multiple scenarios of how it can/could've gone differently. I also find my self searching of the potential especially in people so I don't think that its undervalue or my PoLR personally. And you bring up a great point, I am only 18 and I heard that our brains don't fully develop till our 20s, plus I am sure I still have many experiences that I need to go through and grow from!

Thank you so much for your input this it definitely a possibility for me, but I have to still sort things out with myself and grow more. This definitely is a consideration and I have contemplated it before! I would love to continue to explore if I may be this type though so we will see!

[Alonzo]

This is an interesting suggestion. I've commented a few times in the past on the potential of her being ESI and she VI's well for it but the concept of Se seems to be something she strongly rejects. My ex actually exhibited exactly what you're speaking to. She typed as EII-Fi for the longest time but could never really settle on a type. Turns out she was actually ESI-Fi.

1. ) Yeah, Se tends to get a bad rep because of its more noticeably flashy manifestations but there is nuance that often goes overlooked--which, incidentally, is where creative Se thrives > more scalpel than butcher knife.

2.) Gamma Se (especially in SFs) can be rather assertive when protecting their values and interests, especially in the form of resistance and non compliance > "you won't walk all over me!" It's about using one's own will to stop the unwanted imposition of another's will. Gamma Se can be seemingly passive and avoidant until they are forced to show "strength."

There's no way in the world one can be an effective teacher of small children if they are not sufficiently capable of asserting boundaries in a way that is impactful, which doesn't mean that children must be aggressively or antagonistically harmed/brutalized/mistreated. Creative Se knows how to properly calibrate the amount and manner of the force/impact required to suit its aim.

[angelic]

1. ) Yeah, Se tends to get a bad rep because of its more noticeably flashy manifestations but there is nuance that often goes overlooked--which, incidentally, is where creative Se thrives > more scalpel than butcher knife.

2.) Gamma Se (especially in SFs) can be rather assertive when protecting their values and interests, especially in the form of resistance and non compliance > "you won't walk all over me!" It's about using one's own will to stop the unwanted imposition of another's will. Gamma Se can be seemingly passive and avoidant until they are forced to show "strength."

There's no way in the world one can be an effective teacher of small children if they are not sufficiently capable of asserting boundaries in a way that is impactful, which doesn't mean that children must be aggressively or antagonistically harmed/brutalized/mistreated. Creative Se knows how to properly calibrate the amount and manner of the force/impact required to suit its aim.

I still have the issue of letting people step over me . When I worked with kids as a helper teacher they always knew that I was very passive, and would take advantage of that, I was even told by their actual teacher that I should raise my voice at them at times, through I just couldn't. I feel like in order to be a teacher its something I would have todevelop. So its possible that the more I work with kids the more my Se develops. Who knows, that would be an interesting perspective on it.

[Sol]

I feel like in order to be a teacher its something I would have to develop.

teacher and psychologist are among specialities which lead to the worst relations with own children, I saw somewhere mentioned

when you control many kids you _may_ develop the relation to them as to subordinates. you establish formal control above them. and loose a compassion. if that spreads on own family, your children feel the lack of love and later rebel above you. they later relate to you as not to a friend, but a boss which has lost the power and authority to control them.

I do not know is there a clear way to develop a sympathy in kids to control them, but not to control them by a fear only. At least, they should respect you and to follow your orders. To be assertive and to punish is common way to control. If to explain them why you need to do this - mb they'll lesser hate you. Would be good to motivate by gifts for doing what is demanded. To say good and pleasant words for behaving good and good results, for example.

> So its possible that the more I work with kids the more my Se develops. Who knows, that would be an interesting perspective on it.

there is a place for all functions to develop. being an introvert - you'll develop keeping more attention on other people, their needs and states

[angelic]

teacher and psychologist are among specialities which lead to the worst relations with own children, I saw somewhere mentioned

when you control many kids you _may_ develop the relation to them as to subordinates. you establish formal control above them. and loose a compassion. if that spreads on own family, your children feel the lack of love and later rebel above you. they later relate to you as not to a friend, but a boss which has lost the power and authority to control them.

I do not know is there a clear way to develop a sympathy in kids to control them, but not to control them by a fear only. At least, they should respect you and to follow your orders. To be assertive and to punish is common way to control. If to explain them why you need to do this - mb they'll lesser hate you. Would be good to motivate by gifts for doing what is demanded. To say good and pleasant words for behaving good and good results, for example.

> So its possible that the more I work with kids the more my Se develops. Who knows, that would be an interesting perspective on it.

there is a place for all functions to develop. being an introvert - you'll develop keeping more attention on other people, their needs and states

Oh I would never want to control kids like that, for me my "teaching style" is more maternal. I have a lottttt of patience (and i mean a lot), and am willing to help the child grow despite the difficultly with some of them. Whether it be behavioral issues or learning difficulties. I am very sympathetic with children and make sure I help them develop their communication skills in order to be able to resolve problems better. By talking about our emotions, and expressing our issues verbally I personally find its a great way to help with behavioral issues (in my experience at least).

Thank you for letting me know though, I was planning on becoming a teacher for young kids until I settle down with a life of my own. Once I have my own kids I want to become a housewife/stay at home mom and put 100% of my energy and love with raising/taking care of them. I don't think I will ever use assertiveness with kids, and I know to some people this is bad and a recipe for me to have my kindness taken advantage of but I dont mind. I want to raise my personal kids in a way where they will come to me on their own and want to talk about problems, and I won't put too many restrictions on them because I read that strict parents usually end up with the most rebellious kids.

[Sol]

I won't put too many restrictions on them because I read that strict parents usually end up with the most rebellious kids.

Kids which were not adopted to have restrictions will not want them later too. So they may ignore the needed behavior, as lesser trained for a selfcontrol. They'll also may have more troubles with other peope, as will need to hold themselves what needs a selfcontrol.

I think, kids need love. The part of parrents love is to study kids to behave by best ways. This includes to force kids do what they do not like and do not wish to do. Love is expressed as a care. But care is not always pleasant.
Classical approach to upbring kids is strict control of them. So were rised almost all people of previous generations. Love and compassion feelings help to do not pass the borders where you'd demand too much, without a need. Or would demand what is not good, as a love helps to undersand the human and what is good for him. Also the emotional tuning to other human arises a trust in him to you, so he'd accepted your demands easier and would copy your behavior with higher wish. Emotional contact allows to motivate by positive emotions to follow your requirements to kids. Kids with higher wish will try to do what you demand to get your approval, what is pleasant for them when you love them and hence they love you in return and do what you want.

What would be wrong is to allow kids to do what they want without limitations, without taking into account the reason, the norms, interests of other people and opinions of authorities. By such way they'll be lesser adopted to live. They need be studed to be people, to be trained to follow the demands of the situation instead of archaic instincts. After some age, a human is harder to accept the skills of reasonable behavior. In the childhood he should get this from parrents and people near. Better from parrents, than later to study in conflicts after he ignored the situation and interests of others. To be too soft will worsen life of the kids, this would be against the love to them.

[angelic]

I think, kids need love. The part of parrents love is to study kids to behave by best ways. This includes to force kids do what they do not like and do not wish to do. Love is expressed as a care. But care is not always pleasant.

I agree 100%

[angelic]

@Alonzo What would your second choice be for me SEI, EII, or maybe something else?

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo What would your second choice be for me SEI, EII, or maybe something else?

First, answer this > can you physically feel/take on/mirror the emotions of others and whatever environment you're apart of, as if their feelings and moods are contagious? Valuing Fe involves being dynamically aware of the "continuous excitations in people's emotional" states, which I interpret as affective/emotional empathy, where brain cells called mirror neurons fire when we sense another’s emotional state, creating an echo of that state inside our own minds.

To differing extents and degrees, all Fe valuers (E*Es, the most and L*Is, the least) are aware of and in tune with the ambient emotional vibes in others and the environment, though they may have differing facility and competency when it comes to utilizing and responding to this brand of "feedback." If you relate to this, then Alpha and Beta quadra are likely.

If not, that leaves Delta and Gamma, who prefer Fi cognitive empathy or perspective taking, which concerns one's ability to identify and understand other people’s emotions by way of placing oneself in another's shoes. Those with strong, high D Fi can almost automatically and spontaneously take on another’s perspective while those with low D Fi struggle to do so as quickly and easily.

The scientific community acknowledges that people access empathy channels differently and that there are those who are great at cognitive empathy but have trouble accessing affective empathy, namely because these two types of empathy are working completely different processing systems.

In my experience/research/nvestigations, I have found that Gamma and Delta F types don't do affective empathy that well, which is part of the reason why they are often (negatively) perceived as selfish or self focused and refuse to fake or alter their emotional state to appease others, contasted with Fe valuers who can have their feelings more easily moved and swayed by others and the environment, which is fine. It's just that some people may be more genetically hardwired to physically feel the emotions of others.

So which form of empathy do you cognitively prefer? It can make all the difference in the world when it comes to narrowing down your type options.

[angelic]

First, answer this > can you physically feel/take on/mirror the emotions of others and whatever environment you're apart of, as if their feelings and moods are contagious? Valuing Fe involves being dynamically aware of the "continuous excitations in people's emotional" states, which I interpret as affective/emotional empathy, where brain cells called mirror neurons fire when we sense another’s emotional state, creating an echo of that state inside our own minds.

To differing extents and degrees, all Fe valuers (E*Es, the most and L*Is, the least) are aware of and in tune with the ambient emotional vibes in others and the environment, though they may have differing facility and competency when it comes to utilizing and responding to this brand of "feedback." If you relate to this, then Alpha and Beta quadra are likely.

I try to do this, and I tend to mimic the emotions out of courtesy. Though if I am feeling upset or uncomfortable, its clear to others and they know immediately through my voice, or my facial expression. However I feel like I am aware of the overall atmosphere and try to keep it harmonious, because if I sense anyone else feeling discomfort I tend to feel it too.

If not, that leaves Delta and Gamma, who prefer Fi cognitive empathy or perspective taking, which concerns one's ability to identify and understand other people’s emotions by way of placing oneself in another's shoes. Those with strong, high D Fi can almost automatically and spontaneously take on another’s perspective while those with low D Fi struggle to do so as quickly and easily.

Yes, yes, yes every since I could remember I was able to "put my self in others shoes". I empathize so much to the point where if I see someone cry I feel like crying. I try to understand why the person is feeling that way and try to solve their problem as well as offer unconditional support and love, to ease the initial pain. It is very easy for me to empathize with others, almost all my friends say its one of my strongest qualities.

Overall I personally definitely lean to cognitive empathy more, though I feel like I utilize both in a group environment.

[Alonzo]

I try to do this, and I tend to mimic the emotions out of courtesy. Though if I am feeling upset or uncomfortable, its clear to others and they know immediately through my voice, or my facial expression. However I feel like I am aware of the overall atmosphere and try to keep it harmonious, because if I sense anyone else feeling discomfort I tend to feel it too.

Do you mean that you try to mimic others' emotions (out of courtesy) even when you don't feel them yourself? Fi base types feel more inclined to do this when their feelings authentically line up with the environment or if they are close to the people involved. But it's more difficult when that requires betraying their own emotional state or if it involves people they are not close to/don't like.

Fe valuers can't help but physically feel others' emotions--it's reflexive and beyond their control. Especially for strong Fe valuers, mirroring another's emotional state and even their facial expressions is something that happens naturally, unprompted. I'm just trying to clarify if you're saying that essentially you can kind of fake Fe just to be nice, even if you're not actually experiencing someone else's emotions by contagion.

[angelic]

Do you mean that you try to mimic others' emotions (out of courtesy) even when you don't feel them yourself? Fi base types feel more inclined to do this when their feelings authentically line up with the environment or if they are close to the people involved. But it's more difficult when that requires betraying their own emotional state or if it involves people they are not close to/don't like.

Fe valuers can't help but physically feel others' emotions--it's reflexive and beyond their control. Especially for strong Fe valuers, mirroring another's emotional state and even their facial expressions is something that happens naturally, unprompted. I'm just trying to clarify if you're saying that essentially you can kind of fake Fe just to be nice, even if you're not actually experiencing someone else's emotions by contagion.

Its tough because I feel like I do both, there are times I will mimic them out of courtesy even when I don't feel it my self, then theres times I will stay true to how I feel. (I'm not the best at explaining my thoughts through messages I apologize for making things confusing). I feel like with casual friends I tend to express more Fe and I naturally can mimic the group energy but when im with close friends, or with specific people I tend to be true to my emotions. I am going to ask my friends "Does it seem like I want to make people more comfortable or does it seem like I only express what is authentically true for me?" and see what they say. Sorry for being so indecisive Thank you for being so patient, once my friends respond I think it will allow me to have a more definitive answer.

[angelic]

This is an interesting suggestion. I've commented a few times in the past on the potential of her being ESI and she VI's well for it but the concept of Se seems to be something she strongly rejects. My ex actually exhibited exactly what you're speaking to. She typed as EII-Fi for the longest time but could never really settle on a type. Turns out she was actually ESI-Fi.

Yeah I still strongly reject Se, but who knows what may happen when I get older