Model G is shit. Gulenko went off the deep end with model G. Model B is a much better model.Originally Posted by queentiger
What sort of evidence would you like to see, ma'am? Is there evidence for socionics at all?. I think you might have mistaken your expenditure of ample mental resources (since you feel entitled to emit a judgment on mine) on coming to this fringe theory known as Socionics.
No but the difference is you are claiming others can't type themselves correctly based on just your opinion. You are the one using your hatred of a certain quadra to type others. You are the only making dumb mistakes like "SEE-Si". I mean if you lack this much self awareness then you should probably just leave.Model G is shit. Gulenko went off the deep end with model G. Model B is a much better model.
What sort of evidence would you like to see, ma'am? Is there evidence for socionics at all?. I think you might have mistaken your expenditure of ample mental resources (since you feel entitled to emit a judgment on mine
Ample-backed claims on my part seeing what goes down on this forum nowadays. My dislike of beta quadra is not a whim, it's objetive that it is the least developmentally aware quadra.
I've corrected the "SEE-Si" mistake, I sometimes write on my phone and I'm not very good at it. Now go away, pest. Come talk to me again when you finally type yourself successfully (if ever).
Delusion. Convince Yourself.
Seriously, leave the forum.
lmao this won't work if you use tritype... say I'm 9w1 5w4... then you still think I'm both ESI-Fi *and* ILE-Ti?!
lol he'll probs call you and IEI beta scum or something.
Gut-wise you are ESI-Fi In enneagram, mentally wise you are ILE-Ti (in enneagram). Since they're independent centers, you can be both even if they seem contradictory. Worse would be for example to be SEI-Si and 1w2, explains why guys like Jordan Peterson are so hard to type (he has been typed like 10 types).
I have a development for this. It seems the inter-types work for the equivalences presented here. For instance; 6w7 would be Supervisor to 3w4, and 9w1 supervisor to 8w9.
It also seems that subwings determine the socionics equivalence. For example; 8w9sw9w1 would be SLE-Se, but 8w9sw7w8 would be something else (SLE-Ti?). In the future if I figure out the patterns I might do a complete list with subwings.
6w7 and 3w4, aswel as 8w9 and 9w1 are both conflictors funnily enough
>Dislike Beta Quadrant
>Act as if his info is not subjective
They are not connected at all apparently
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
There's a tier-hierarchy on the quadras. The tiers are as follows:
Beta - Lowest Tier
Alpha - 2nd Tier
Gamma - 3rd Tier
Delta - Highest Tier
I did not come up with this; it was God. If you've got a problem with this, take it up with him.
Yes they are.
What a shitty troll attempt. If you're gonna come here being a spastic atleast be entertaining.
Judging from your reaction, I am probably right on the mark and you know it too. Everybody subconciously knows this hierarchy.
The thing is that Beta aristocracy is held in society as something to aspire to, and "good", but it's not.
Now leave me be, Beta.
You are already dead to any god if you use enneagram subwings lol
I might have figured out some:
(apt for modification)
1w9sw9w8 LSE-Te
1w9sw2w1 LSI-Se
1w2sw9w1 ESI-Se
1w2sw2w3 EII-Fi
2w1sw1w9 ESE-Fe
2w1sw3w2 IEI-Fe
2w3sw3w4 SEI-Fe
2w3sw1w2 IEE-Fi
3w2sw4w3 ILE-Ne
3w2sw2w1 ESE-Si
3w4sw2w3 EIE-Ni
3w4sw4w5 LIE-Ni
4w3sw3w2 IEI-Ni
4w3sw5w4 LIE-Ni
4w5sw3w4 EIE-Ni
4w5sw5w6 SEE-Fi
5w4sw4w3 ILE-Ti
5w4sw6w5 LII-Ti
5w6sw6w7 ILI-Ni
5w6sw4w5 SLI-Si
6w5sw5w4 LSI-Ti
6w5sw7w6 ESI-Fi
6w7sw5w6 SLI-Te
6w7sw7w8 ILI-Te
7w6sw6w5 IEI-Fe
7w6sw8w7 IEE-Ne
7w8sw8w9 ESE-Fe
7w8sw6w7 LSE-Si
8w7sw7w6 EIE-Fe
8w7sw9w8 LIE-Te
8w9sw9w1 SLE-Se
8w9sw7w8 LSE-Te
9w8sw8w7 LII-Ne
9w8sw1w9 SEI-Si
9w1sw1w2 ESI-Fi
9w1sw8w9 IEI-Fe
As a general rule, the wing is something you use as a tool, but do not want. The subwing is something you want even less, sort of a conflictor.
Last edited by mclane; 03-04-2020 at 04:59 PM.
@mclane
Ok, but some aspects make me wonder:
Why is a Socionics logical base type a core gut type (LSE, LSI, LII) or core heart type (LSI) in Enneagram?
Why is a Socionics intuitive base type (+ logical creative function) a core heart type (ILE) in Enneagram?
Why is a Socionics ethical base type a core head type (ESI) or core gut type (ESI, EII) in Enneagram?
An Enneagram correlation for LIE is missing.
Ones are "core gut" types, but they are actually very logical based. 4w5 gives me LSI-Se vibes.
3w2 seems correlated with important +Si (hedonistic sensing). The other type besides ESE-Si that is prominent in this is ILE-Ne (accompanied with -Te ambition -- no other options).Why is a Socionics intuitive base type (+ logical creative function) a core heart type (ILE) in Enneagram?
6w5-- ESI-Fi; well, I think 6w5 is Ne PoLR. So one subwing would be assigned to one and another the other. Regardless, 6w5 often seems ESI-Fi to the point that, for example; an LSI-Ti or LII-Ti might mistype as ESI due to 6w5 tendencies (6w5sw7w6 -- usual description of 6w5 avalaible).Why is a Socionics ethical base type a core head type (ESI) or core gut type (ESI, EII) in Enneagram?
LIE-Ni is a subwing of 3w4, and a subwing of 4w3 (the others are probably EIE-Ni and IEI-Ni respectively). I haven't figured out which is which yet so I didn't post them. LIE-Te -- I'm not sure yet (beyond sx/sp being similar).An Enneagram correlation for LIE is missing.
This correlation is preliminary; I haven't fully observed all these types in action yet.
Last edited by mclane; 12-12-2019 at 09:29 PM.
I was already dead to god, maybe i should use enneagram subwings.
I think the subwing theory is true because there's a noticeable difference between some members of one enneagram type with wing, and others. There seems to be two categories in each.
Ok, but I don't get why.
I my opinion 3w2 is more related to Fe than Si
I think 6w5 isn't uncommon for LII, which is a type having Ne as creative function.
I don't get your reasoning behind this, tbh.
The answer might be related with the Hornevian Triads.
That is also an important factor.I my opinion 3w2 is more related to Fe than Si
Originally, that was my second option, but then I realized that 6w5 (being probably the type most oblivious to their internal processes) as an NT type didn't quite fit. Another reason being: paranoia. That is a thing of low dimensional Ne types; types with good Ne simply figure out if there's a real reason to be paranoid or not.I think 6w5 isn't uncommon for LII, which is a type having Ne as creative function.
reel dudez use subsubsubwings
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Looks like I'm still at rookie level when it comes to Enneagram. Never heard anything about of Hornevian Triads.
Yeah, and add additional dimensions and complex number planes.
Hi I'm (7+4i)w(6+3i)sw(5+2i). I'm still considering my tritype, subsubwings and subsubsubwings.Looks like I'm still at rookie level when it comes to Enneagram. Never heard anything about of Hornevian Triads.
Yeah, and add additional dimensions and complex number planes.
Imaginary plane makes more sense than wings btw
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Well, deeper understanding comes with experience. If you possess the capability, that is.
Tentatively:
Intertype Relations should work with this. I will list for now the dualities that appear:Code:1w9sw9w8 LSE-Te 1w9sw2w1 LSI-Se 1w2sw9w1 EII-Fi 1w2sw2w3 ESI-Se 2w1sw1w9 ESE-Fe 2w1sw3w2 IEI-Fe 2w3sw3w4 SEI-Fe 2w3sw1w2 IEE-Fi 3w2sw4w3 ILE-Ne 3w2sw2w1 ESE-Si 3w4sw2w3 EIE-Ni 3w4sw4w5 LIE-Ni 4w3sw3w2 IEI-Ni 4w3sw5w4 LIE-Ni 4w5sw3w4 LSI-Se 4w5sw5w6 SEI-Fe 5w4sw4w3 ILE-Ti 5w4sw6w5 LII-Ti 5w6sw6w7 ILI-Ni 5w6sw4w5 SLI-Si 6w5sw5w4 LSI-Ti 6w5sw7w6 ESI-Fi 6w7sw5w6 SLI-Te 6w7sw7w8 ILI-Te 7w6sw6w5 IEI-Fe 7w6sw8w7 IEE-Ne 7w8sw8w9 ESE-Fe 7w8sw6w7 SLE-Ti 8w7sw7w6 EIE-Fe 8w7sw9w8 LIE-Te 8w9sw9w1 SLE-Se 8w9sw7w8 LSE-Te 9w8sw8w7 LII-Ne 9w8sw9w1 SEI-Si 9w1sw1w2 ESI-Fi 9w1sw8w9 EII-Ne
1w9sw9w8 and 8w9sw7w8 (LSE-Te) with 9w1sw8w9 (EII-Ne)
1w9sw2w1 and 4w5sw3w4 (LSI-Se) with 8w7sw7w6 (EIE-Fe)
1w2sw9w1 (ESI-Se) with 8w7sw9w8 (LIE-Te)
2w1sw1w9 and 7w8sw8w9 (ESE-Fe) with 9w8sw8w7 (LII-Ne)
2w1sw3w2 and 7w6sw6w5 (IEI-Fe) with 8w9sw9w1 (SLE-Se)
2w3sw1w2 (IEE-Fi) with 5w6sw4w5 (SLI-Si)
3w2sw2w1 (ESE-Si) with 5w4sw6w5 (LII-Ti)
3w4sw2w3 (EIE-Ni) 6w5sw5w4 (LSI-Ti)
3w4sw4w5 and 4w3sw5w4 (LIE-Ni) with 9w1sw1w2 and 6w5sw7w6 (ESI-Fi)
4w3sw3w2 (IEI-Ni) with 7w8sw6w7 (SLE-Ti)
5w4sw4w3 (ILE-Ti) with 9w8sw9w1 (SEI-Si)
6w7sw5w6 (SLI-Te) with 7w6sw8w7 (IEE-Ne)
(full duality with subtype)
It seems some types are missing a full dual, which could mean either that I am missing some types (could be in the place of the duplicities), or that some types simply do not get full duals (would have to suffice with partial dual, activity, mirror, or semi-dual).
Please tell me you're not still like this
Why would you put ILI-Te as 6w7 instead of 6w5? And as I said before, correlation doesn't mean causation.
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