Si - how to discover it

[Rebelondeck]

@Tallmo The input-data preferences of Si-types are the same as Se-types. They both acquire each piece of information as an entity unto itself in contrast to N-types who tend to look at information relativistically. Simplistically, N-types prefer to gaze at the forest while S-types the trees. Si-types tend to be more engaged and interactive with their environments (so I agree with them being as you say "constantly in tune") while Se-types tend to observe in a sort of detached fashion. Of all the types, SXIs certainly seem to be the most aware of the quantitative details (especially anomalies) of their environments, people in general and their own bodily functions - sometimes to the point of euphoria and other times to the point of paranoia. All Ips seem to be rather sensitive to what goes on around them....

a.k.a. I/O

[Tallmo]

Si-types tend to be more engaged and interactive with their environments (so I agree with them being as you say "constantly in tune") while Se-types tend to observe in a sort of detached fashion. Of all the types, SXIs certainly seem to be the most aware of the quantitative details (especially anomalies) of their environments, people in general and their own bodily functions - sometimes to the point of euphoria and other times to the point of paranoia. All Ips seem to be rather sensitive to what goes on around them....

Ok, yes I agree that Si types seem to be focused on the environment. That's what an observer sees and that's what they think themselves. But strictly speaking they are actually focusing on the inner component "projected" onto the environment.

So my perspective in this thread is more introverted than usual, but it is necessary in order to understand Si. Just to make it clear.

[Rebelondeck]

........But strictly speaking they are actually focusing on the inner component "projected" onto the environment.

So my perspective in this thread is more introverted than usual,.........

You seem to be referring to the SXIs' fairly rigid sets of standards, to which they compare everything and everyone; in that sense, it's a projection but it's often one that only the SXI observer can sense. Si-subtypes tend to engage others much less than normal SXIs and seem more defensive and intransigent, which can make them rather opaque to others - and themselves. Reactionary SXIs build their walls so high and stand so close to them that they can lose all perspective.....

a.k.a. I/O

[Myst]

You seem to be referring to the SXIs' fairly rigid sets of standards, to which they compare everything and everyone; in that sense, it's a projection but it's often one that only the SXI observer can sense. Si-subtypes tend to engage others much less than normal SXIs and seem more defensive and intransigent, which can make them rather opaque to others - and themselves. Reactionary SXIs build their walls so high and stand so close to them that they can lose all perspective.....

a.k.a. I/O

I thought unhealthy XSI is described that way........ and SXI is like a lot more adaptable relaxed Ip the unhealthy form of which is a lot of laziness and apathy

You sound like mixing MBTI with Socionics

Not that I care lol, I don't think either system is great at all but I'm just surprised

[Rebelondeck]

I thought unhealthy XSI is described that way........ and SXI is like a lot more adaptable relaxed Ip the unhealthy form of which is a lot of laziness and apathy

You sound like mixing MBTI with Socionics

Not that I care lol, I don't think either system is great at all but I'm just surprised

My descriptions aren't based on Socionics nor MBTI models; most on this site would not agree with the SLI description that I've posted. I find that SXIs tend to be ambivalent until their space is invaded or threatened and some of them see threats where there aren't any; some can really get paranoid especially when they've been alone for too long. XSIs tend to be set in their ways but their standards and principles can be rather flexible so long as logic and practicality is maintained. SXIs have been known to go out in a blaze of glory just on principle (more than a few times based on false assumptions) while XSIs tend to flee so they could think and perhaps live to fight another day but I'm sure the next time would be from ambush. XSIs also seem to never be as certain of their information as SXIs tend to be.......

a.k.a. I/O

[Myst]

My descriptions aren't based on Socionics nor MBTI models; most on this site would not agree with the SLI description that I've posted. I find that SXIs tend to be ambivalent until their space is invaded or threatened and some of them see threats where there aren't any; some can really get paranoid especially when they've been alone for too long. XSIs tend to be set in their ways but their standards and principles can be rather flexible so long as logic and practicality is maintained. SXIs have been known to go out in a blaze of glory just on principle (more than a few times based on false assumptions) while XSIs tend to flee so they could think and perhaps live to fight another day but I'm sure the next time would be from ambush. XSIs also seem to never be as certain of their information as SXIs tend to be.......

a.k.a. I/O

Where is the SLI description?

Where is the idea of yours from about SXI being more rigid than XSI with standards and principles?

Btw. All the LSI descriptions talk about that certainty thing of LSI lol.

Si-dom description of Van der Hoop (Jung student) says Si is not open to new information first but it is only passively "resisting" it then comes to accept it. This one does happen to be in line with SXI and Ne dual seeking. While Ne PoLR seems to be about more actively resisting.

But then these are theories on people... While neither theory explains these patterns properly I think.

I think the factors making people rigid like that are dependent on things that are not explained by these models whatsoever. Even where these models seem to touch on it's superficial touching on it and not the proper explanation.

And then this is why we get people who say XSI are the rigid ones (standard Socionics and Van der Hoop/jungian stuff) and then people who say XSI are the flexible ones (you and MBTI) and so on. It's kinda random really which follower of these ideas (that were originally from Jung and then modified by many people) will claim that X type is Y or the complete opposite of it.

[Rebelondeck]

Where is the SLI description?

Where is the idea of yours from about SXI being more rigid than XSI with standards and principles?

..... Si is not open to new information first but it is only passively "resisting" .....

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...cription+I%2FO

SXI is rigid from a defensive perspective - defending what they believe is correct and proper. XSI is hard-headed from a I'm-going-to-do-it-my-way perspective - right or wrong. XSI tend to think that information (including standards) is transient and disposable and they can easily start from zero whereas SXIs are far more and often too deeply rooted into (dependent on) their knowledge and skill base. SXIs often wing it with the assumption that what they have will get them through it all whereas XSIs need a plan but when they have a plan, they're hard to stop....

To say that SLIs passively resist, one hasn't met an angry one; I would fear their knee jerk and often unpredictable reactions over anything LSIs can deliver.......

a.k.a. I/O

[Tallmo]

You seem to be referring to the SXIs' fairly rigid sets of standards, to which they compare everything and everyone; in that sense, it's a projection but it's often one that only the SXI observer can sense. Si-subtypes tend to engage others much less than normal SXIs and seem more defensive and intransigent, which can make them rather opaque to others - and themselves. Reactionary SXIs build their walls so high and stand so close to them that they can lose all perspective.....

a.k.a. I/O

No, I was saying that introverted sensing is about sensing impressions, but these impressions are not really connected to the environment, even though they are activated by the environment and perceived as being "out there". So the person is more focused on an "image", "reflection" of the environment, than the environment itself.

(Then there are of course also other Si-impressions, that are not felt in the environment, such as body sensations, tiredness etc.)