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[Olimpia]

I’d still find SEE 7w6 Sx/So (793) most likely

Ep > Ej
ExFx > ExTx
Se > Ne
Fear type (7) > Image type

Sx/So is the most clear, that’s prob why you have “Beta vibes” (Beta is usually associated with Sx/So rebellion etc) and seem "ungrounded" (due to SP blindspot)

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I’d still find SEE 7w6 Sx/So (793) most likely

Ep > Ej
ExFx > ExTx
Se > Ne
Fear type (7) > Image type

Sx/So is the most clear, that’s prob why you have “Beta vibes” (Beta is usually associated with Sx/So rebellion etc)

Yeah, that seems to be the consensus so far. Thanks for the feedback! I’ve missed seeing you around here, been busy with life?

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@Vice did u happen to watch avatar the last airbender or the office? There are some characters in there who happen to be SEE, EIE and ILE, if u want i can look for some videos where u can see the differences more clearly

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@Vice did u happen to watch avatar the last airbender or the office? There are some characters in there who happen to be SEE, EIE and ILE, if u want i can look for some videos where u can see the differences more clearly

Yes, I love avatar. Feel free to show me.

[Number 9 large]

Oki here goes

https://youtu.be/2KKOc9jlghU 1

https://youtu.be/7vs9ZDUJn44 2

https://youtu.be/sIP-PoETNkc 3

Okay tell me who you relate to most, vibewise (some of the videos are kinda crappy but was all i could find, hope you still remember the characters somewhat to fill up the gaps)

After u tell me ill tell u how i type them (edit: nvm i put the answers here but somewhat encoded so u cant know the answers at first glance.)

1= b
2 = c
3 = a




A= ILE
B = SEE
C = EIE

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Oki here goes

https://youtu.be/2KKOc9jlghU 1

https://youtu.be/7vs9ZDUJn44 2

https://youtu.be/sIP-PoETNkc 3

Okay tell me who you relate to most, vibewise (some of the videos are kinda crappy but was all i could find, hope you still remember the characters somewhat to fill up the gaps)

After u tell me ill tell u how i type them (edit: nvm i put the answers here but somewhat encoded so u cant know the answers at first glance.)

1= b
2 = c
3 = a




A= ILE
B = SEE
C = EIE

I’m kinda torn between Azula and Ty Lee. I’m not aggressive like Azula but I relate to her wit and calculating nature. But I relate to Ty Lee’s charm and carefreeness.

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I’m kinda torn between Azula and Ty Lee. I’m not aggressive like Azula but I relate to her wit and calculating nature. But I relate to Ty Lee’s charm and carefreeness.

Okay well judging by your original post you dont necessarily seem calculating, it could be the Ni creative, but to me you seem to vibe the most like Ty Lee (EIE 2w1 i type her aswel)

[Number 9 large]

And see who looks more like u

[Olimpia]

Yeah, that seems to be the consensus so far. Thanks for the feedback! I’ve missed seeing you around here, been busy with life?

Pretty much! Finished my degree, worked on some side projects... and I’m still busy with similar stuff.
But this place can be good for sharpening my theoretical skills and gaining new insights/ideas, so on occasion I may revisit it.

[Number 9 large]

I’d still find SEE 7w6 Sx/So (793) most likely

Ep > Ej
ExFx > ExTx
Se > Ne
Fear type (7) > Image type

Sx/So is the most clear, that’s prob why you have “Beta vibes” (Beta is usually associated with Sx/So rebellion etc)

Tell me how someone can be double head type and Ti polr at the same time.

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Tell me how someone can be double head type and Ti polr at the same time.

magicks~

[Olimpia]

Tell me how someone can be double head type and Ti polr at the same time.

Tell me how he’s a Type 2?

 

His post and lifestyle scream Sexual 7... adventurous, reckless, all over the place...

The centres in Enneagram do not entirely correspond to the F vs T dichotomy.

7 is characterised by a streak of hedonism and reckless adventure (at average to unhealthy levels). They lack or ignore foresight (which rules out Ni ego). Their focus is on unfiltered engagement/perception with the external world, which corresponds to EP temperament.

An average to unhealthy SEE 7 will tend to recklessly follow wherever their hedonistic desires lead them to without taking into account future consequences (well enough; SLE is similar in this). Their hedonistic drive lacks Logic. They will tend to do things that “don’t make sense” just for the excitement of it.

7s can have a lot of energy which seems to be driven by mental energy, because it is fear-based, and the idea is that fear in “head types” is produced by too much or misguided thinking. 7 and Ti PoLR can go hand in hand with underdeveloped logic in that manner. SEE (followed by some IEEs) 7s do not want to think too much, they just want to experience life to the fullest, YOLO, in order to escape the dread of existence. But if they are unhealthy (and esp SX first), it will lead to (self) destruction and chaos. Better Logic would serve them well, it would create order in their chaos, which they tend to reject (being Ti PoLR), but which they do need on some level.

To sum up... the hedonism in SEEs is quite emotion-driven. They will use their good ethics to aid their lifestyle. They tend to have an exciting (or crazy) social life, huge network, travel adventures, and the like (all corresponding well with the ESFp lifestyle) . Like SLE 7s, their life lacks a holistic future aim, if they’re average to unhealthy they find it hard to commit themselves to one path. For 7s, their life often lacks order, structure, a streamlined approach, which can overlap with Ti PoLR. The other side of the coin would be an ILI 1.

[Number 9 large]

Tell me how he’s a Type 2?

 

His post and lifestyle scream Sexual 7... adventurous, reckless, all over the place...

The centres in Enneagram do not entirely correspond to the F vs T dichotomy.

7 is characterised by a streak of hedonism and reckless adventure (at average to unhealthy levels). They lack or ignore foresight (which rules out Ni ego). Their focus is on unfiltered engagement/perception with the external world, which corresponds to EP temperament.

An average to unhealthy SEE 7 will tend to recklessly follow wherever their hedonistic desires lead them to without taking into account future consequences (well enough; SLE is similar in this). Their hedonistic drive lacks Logic. They will tend to do things that “don’t make sense” just for the excitement of it.

7s can have a lot of energy which seems to be driven by mental energy, because it is fear-based, and the idea is that fear in “head types” is produced by too much or misguided thinking. 7 and Ti PoLR can go hand in hand with underdeveloped logic in that manner. SEE (followed by some IEEs) 7s do not want to think too much, they just want to experience life to the fullest, YOLO, in order to escape the dread of existence. But if they are unhealthy (and esp SX first), it will lead to (self) destruction and chaos. Better Logic would serve them well, it would create order in their chaos, which they tend to reject (being Ti PoLR), but which they do need on some level.

To sum up... the hedonism in SEEs is quite emotion-driven. They will use their good ethics to aid their lifestyle. They tend to have an exciting (or crazy) social life, huge network, travel adventures, and the like (all corresponding well with the ESFp lifestyle) . Like SLE 7s, their life lacks a holistic future aim, if they’re average to unhealthy they find it hard to commit themselves to one path. For 7s, their life often lacks order, structure, a streamlined approach, which can overlap with Ti PoLR. The other side of the coin would be an ILI 1.

You make a good case for 7 but you forget that each center of intelligence offers a set of qualities inherent to the types in that center. For head types this would would include thinking as a main source of their intelligence. Ti is not only weak but also unvalued in SEE.

His reckless behaviour could be attributed to a Fe Se loop. Ni isnt always visible as its an introverted function and esp in Fe subtype can be hard to see the brooding side of the character.

Also his lifestyle doesnt fit in with Te valuing, more strictly Te HA. He doesnt seem to take it seriously and as such would belong to a merry quadra. + his Fe is all over the place (before u say Fe demo, Fe is subdued in a quadra like gamma. You can compare gamma and beta by comparing slytherin and gryffindor. The houses capture nearly the entire feel of both quadras respectively.)

[Olimpia]

You make a good case for 7 but you forget that each center of intelligence offers a set of qualities inherent to the types in that center. For head types this would would include thinking as a main source of their intelligence. Ti is not only weak but also unvalued in SEE.

His reckless behaviour could be attributed to a Fe Se loop. Ni isnt always visible as its an introverted function and esp in Fe subtype can be hard to see the brooding side of the character.

Also his lifestyle doesnt fit in with Te valuing, more strictly Te HA. He doesnt seem to take it seriously and as such would belong to a merry quadra. + his Fe is all over the place (before u say Fe demo, Fe is subdued in a quadra like gamma. You can compare gamma and beta by comparing slytherin and gryffindor. The houses capture nearly the entire feel of both quadras respectively.)

The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO. 7s often don’t think enough or think around corners, 6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic, in different ways. Sides of the same coin. Similar as to how an unhealthy Sexual instinct can express itself in excessive promiscuity or extreme celibacy/prudishness.

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The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO. 7s often don’t think enough or think around corners, 6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic, in different ways. Sides of the same coin. Similar as to how an unhealthy Sexual instinct can express itself in excessive promiscuity or extreme celibacy/prudishness.

I totally agree with this.

I think n9 has his own strict Ti categorizations based off a literal interpretation (Se) of ennea/socionics which might not make sense to others.

[Number 9 large]

The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

this is simply not true. each type is in the center because of their connection to the center of the intelligence. it actually isnt about acquiring the intelligence, they already have it. 3s are still very image conscious, and are affected by shame the most of any emotion, just as any image type, same with fear types and body types on anger. 9 is still a grounded type. youre talking about 6 moving to 9 acquiring ''gut'' intelligence, meaning type 6 really is type 9?

by your logic, if certain types who you say are ''out of touch'' with their intelligence center, need to acquire that said intelligence, how come, for example, that type 3, who you say is out of touch with being an image type, moves to 6 as their growth point? the arrows would be useless for those types then, and theyre not, or do you not agree

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO.

there are people who would argue that not even that is true. see what i mean

7s often don’t think enough or think around corners,

they do think a lot, ofc they border more on the gut center and thus replace a part of their thinking with doing and acquiring new experiences (8wing), so they have more stuff to think about. as for 7w6 they actually are quite scientific and have great minds. (to type a 7w6 as Ti polr is ridiculous, you obviously havent grasped either theory well enough to say that unironically

6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic,

but they still think. they often play devils advocate and solve problems because of strong logic. where in the 6 descriptions do you ever see that 6s are strong people manipulators or anything resembling ethical type/Feeling dichotomy in socionics? their paranoia and distrust in people comes from weak ethics and intuition. (ST)

[Number 9 large]

Tell me how he’s a Type 2?

 

His post and lifestyle scream Sexual 7... adventurous, reckless, all over the place...

The centres in Enneagram do not entirely correspond to the F vs T dichotomy.

7 is characterised by a streak of hedonism and reckless adventure (at average to unhealthy levels). They lack or ignore foresight (which rules out Ni ego). Their focus is on unfiltered engagement/perception with the external world, which corresponds to EP temperament.

An average to unhealthy SEE 7 will tend to recklessly follow wherever their hedonistic desires lead them to without taking into account future consequences (well enough; SLE is similar in this). Their hedonistic drive lacks Logic. They will tend to do things that “don’t make sense” just for the excitement of it.

7s can have a lot of energy which seems to be driven by mental energy, because it is fear-based, and the idea is that fear in “head types” is produced by too much or misguided thinking. 7 and Ti PoLR can go hand in hand with underdeveloped logic in that manner. SEE (followed by some IEEs) 7s do not want to think too much, they just want to experience life to the fullest, YOLO, in order to escape the dread of existence. But if they are unhealthy (and esp SX first), it will lead to (self) destruction and chaos. Better Logic would serve them well, it would create order in their chaos, which they tend to reject (being Ti PoLR), but which they do need on some level.

To sum up... the hedonism in SEEs is quite emotion-driven. They will use their good ethics to aid their lifestyle. They tend to have an exciting (or crazy) social life, huge network, travel adventures, and the like (all corresponding well with the ESFp lifestyle) . Like SLE 7s, their life lacks a holistic future aim, if they’re average to unhealthy they find it hard to commit themselves to one path. For 7s, their life often lacks order, structure, a streamlined approach, which can overlap with Ti PoLR. The other side of the coin would be an ILI 1.

He is seductive, merry, has good people skills, for me its easy because ive already linked Fe lead to type 2 and since hes too ungrounded for ESE (or SEE for that matter), EIE seems to be the only type that remains.

[Olimpia]

He is seductive, merry, has good people skills, for me its easy because ive already linked Fe lead to type 2 and since hes too ungrounded for ESE (or SEE for that matter), EIE seems to be the only type that remains.

Seductive = Sexual first (and ExFx)
”Merry” = ExFx plus Positive enneagram Type (all 7s seem “merry” even as Fi valuing)
good people skills = ExFx plus Social instinct
ungrounded = EP

Where’s the 2’s obsession with approval, their pride in helping others, their need to be needed, them losing themselves in giving to others, wanting to look like a giver or lovable person (image) etc?

The weaknesses he mentioned all sound rather like unhealthy 7 manifestations to me, no signs of unhealthy 2 afaik?

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Off topic but you should all check out the graphic novel Habibi. Over 600 pages but I read it all in one day. Pretty epic and powerful stuff.

as its an introverted function and esp in Fe subtype can be hard to see the brooding side of the character.

This is true. I have that side but it’s strictly private.

He is seductive, merry, has good people skills, for me its easy because ive already linked Fe lead to type 2 and since hes too ungrounded for ESE (or SEE for that matter), EIE seems to be the only type that remains.

This is also true.

Interesting thoughts, everyone.

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Tell me how someone can be double head type and Ti polr at the same time.

Enneagram is about fears. Every type has the cognitive abilities to process fear, regardless of Ti presence or not. I'm also double head and Ti polr

[Number 9 large]

Enneagram is about fears. Every type has the cognitive abilities to process fear, regardless of Ti presence or not. I'm also double head and Ti polr

No using yourself as an example is not a valid argument

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No using yourself as an example is not a valid argument

That was not my argument. My argument was that every type has the cognitive abilities to process fear. A 5 is more analytical, true, but they don't necessarily have to have valued Ti in order to apply analysis. A 6 and 7 even less so - people of these types will have the same fears, but deal with them in different ways based on sociotype and other additional factors. Any relation between Ti and head types is merely correlation, not causation.

[Number 9 large]

That was not my argument. My argument was that every type has the cognitive abilities to process fear. A 5 is more analytical, true, but they don't necessarily have to have valued Ti in order to apply analysis. A 6 and 7 even less so - people of these types will have the same fears, but deal with them in different ways based on sociotype and other additional factors. Any relation between Ti and head types is merely correlation, not causation.

No thats where youre wrong. The whole persona of type 5 can be directly correlated to LII if you read closely.

And no not every type has the same fears, the whole point of having and distinguishing between the types is exactly that, starting off by having different basic fears. I suggest u actually read into the theory youre discussing before joining the argument with false information.

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No thats where youre wrong. The whole persona of type 5 can be directly correlated to LII if you read closely.

And no not every type has the same fears, the whole point of having and distinguishing between the types is exactly that, starting off by having different basic fears. I suggest u actually read into the theory youre discussing before joining the argument with false information.

Lol, I meant different people that are all type 6 will have different ways of cognitively processing and dealing with that fear. But go off, I guess.

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I have so many gifs I wanna use but none of them are working

Pretty much! Finished my degree, worked on some side projects... and I’m still busy with similar stuff.
But this place can be good for sharpening my theoretical skills and gaining new insights/ideas, so on occasion I may revisit it.

Awesome, I noticed @Chae similarly used to post a lot but is now focused on real life. It’s good to have a balance. I’ve always been a casual poster.

Enneagram is about fears. Every type has the cognitive abilities to process fear, regardless of Ti presence or not. I'm also double head and Ti polr

yes chile!!!!

[Simo]

Pretty much! Finished my degree

Congrats @Olimpia, what was your major again? film studies or something similar right?

Awesome, I noticed @Chae similarly used to post a lot but is now focused on real life. It’s good to have a balance.

I am really gonna miss @Chae , she knew how to make the forum enjoyable

[Metamorph]

Sx/So is the most clear, that’s prob why you have “Beta vibes” (Beta is usually associated with Sx/So rebellion etc)

Sx/So is the only valid type for anyone. The others are not valid people. Remove.