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[Number 9 large]

Tell me how he’s a Type 2?

 

His post and lifestyle scream Sexual 7... adventurous, reckless, all over the place...

The centres in Enneagram do not entirely correspond to the F vs T dichotomy.

7 is characterised by a streak of hedonism and reckless adventure (at average to unhealthy levels). They lack or ignore foresight (which rules out Ni ego). Their focus is on unfiltered engagement/perception with the external world, which corresponds to EP temperament.

An average to unhealthy SEE 7 will tend to recklessly follow wherever their hedonistic desires lead them to without taking into account future consequences (well enough; SLE is similar in this). Their hedonistic drive lacks Logic. They will tend to do things that “don’t make sense” just for the excitement of it.

7s can have a lot of energy which seems to be driven by mental energy, because it is fear-based, and the idea is that fear in “head types” is produced by too much or misguided thinking. 7 and Ti PoLR can go hand in hand with underdeveloped logic in that manner. SEE (followed by some IEEs) 7s do not want to think too much, they just want to experience life to the fullest, YOLO, in order to escape the dread of existence. But if they are unhealthy (and esp SX first), it will lead to (self) destruction and chaos. Better Logic would serve them well, it would create order in their chaos, which they tend to reject (being Ti PoLR), but which they do need on some level.

To sum up... the hedonism in SEEs is quite emotion-driven. They will use their good ethics to aid their lifestyle. They tend to have an exciting (or crazy) social life, huge network, travel adventures, and the like (all corresponding well with the ESFp lifestyle) . Like SLE 7s, their life lacks a holistic future aim, if they’re average to unhealthy they find it hard to commit themselves to one path. For 7s, their life often lacks order, structure, a streamlined approach, which can overlap with Ti PoLR. The other side of the coin would be an ILI 1.

You make a good case for 7 but you forget that each center of intelligence offers a set of qualities inherent to the types in that center. For head types this would would include thinking as a main source of their intelligence. Ti is not only weak but also unvalued in SEE.

His reckless behaviour could be attributed to a Fe Se loop. Ni isnt always visible as its an introverted function and esp in Fe subtype can be hard to see the brooding side of the character.

Also his lifestyle doesnt fit in with Te valuing, more strictly Te HA. He doesnt seem to take it seriously and as such would belong to a merry quadra. + his Fe is all over the place (before u say Fe demo, Fe is subdued in a quadra like gamma. You can compare gamma and beta by comparing slytherin and gryffindor. The houses capture nearly the entire feel of both quadras respectively.)

[Olimpia]

You make a good case for 7 but you forget that each center of intelligence offers a set of qualities inherent to the types in that center. For head types this would would include thinking as a main source of their intelligence. Ti is not only weak but also unvalued in SEE.

His reckless behaviour could be attributed to a Fe Se loop. Ni isnt always visible as its an introverted function and esp in Fe subtype can be hard to see the brooding side of the character.

Also his lifestyle doesnt fit in with Te valuing, more strictly Te HA. He doesnt seem to take it seriously and as such would belong to a merry quadra. + his Fe is all over the place (before u say Fe demo, Fe is subdued in a quadra like gamma. You can compare gamma and beta by comparing slytherin and gryffindor. The houses capture nearly the entire feel of both quadras respectively.)

The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO. 7s often don’t think enough or think around corners, 6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic, in different ways. Sides of the same coin. Similar as to how an unhealthy Sexual instinct can express itself in excessive promiscuity or extreme celibacy/prudishness.

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The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO. 7s often don’t think enough or think around corners, 6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic, in different ways. Sides of the same coin. Similar as to how an unhealthy Sexual instinct can express itself in excessive promiscuity or extreme celibacy/prudishness.

I totally agree with this.

I think n9 has his own strict Ti categorizations based off a literal interpretation (Se) of ennea/socionics which might not make sense to others.

[Number 9 large]

The caveat is that not all enneagram types and their respective centres revolve around a strength - the type can be out of touch with what you’d say is the “centre’s intelligence”. For those types, the ego-ic journey is actually about acquiring that intelligence.

this is simply not true. each type is in the center because of their connection to the center of the intelligence. it actually isnt about acquiring the intelligence, they already have it. 3s are still very image conscious, and are affected by shame the most of any emotion, just as any image type, same with fear types and body types on anger. 9 is still a grounded type. youre talking about 6 moving to 9 acquiring ''gut'' intelligence, meaning type 6 really is type 9?

by your logic, if certain types who you say are ''out of touch'' with their intelligence center, need to acquire that said intelligence, how come, for example, that type 3, who you say is out of touch with being an image type, moves to 6 as their growth point? the arrows would be useless for those types then, and theyre not, or do you not agree

For example, 3s are notably out of touch with their heart’s true desire, they become whatever their environment dictates as “success”. That’s also how Fi seeking types can be 3s IMO, they lack the internal moral compass. 9s are notably out of touch with their “gut intelligence”, which can equal both N and S in different ways.

From the mind types, it’s only 5 which is distinctly a Logical type IMO.

there are people who would argue that not even that is true. see what i mean

7s often don’t think enough or think around corners,

they do think a lot, ofc they border more on the gut center and thus replace a part of their thinking with doing and acquiring new experiences (8wing), so they have more stuff to think about. as for 7w6 they actually are quite scientific and have great minds. (to type a 7w6 as Ti polr is ridiculous, you obviously havent grasped either theory well enough to say that unironically

6s “overthink” to the point of paranoia, both of which can be signs of either strong Logic or weak Logic,

but they still think. they often play devils advocate and solve problems because of strong logic. where in the 6 descriptions do you ever see that 6s are strong people manipulators or anything resembling ethical type/Feeling dichotomy in socionics? their paranoia and distrust in people comes from weak ethics and intuition. (ST)