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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    From the user's experience, what are and like? Sorry if this is such a stupid question.
    Fe feels like the sun, and Fi like the wind or like magnets attracting and repulsing.

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    F types have more emotions in the consciousness.
    They more decide by emotional reasons. For example, to choose a product which they emotionally liked more instead by better specs.
    They also tend to adopt thoughts to emotions in more degree, - are more selective on what they think and facts they notice to fit to emotions they've got before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    They more decide by emotional reasons. For example, to choose a product which they emotionally liked more instead by better specs.
    They also tend to adopt thoughts to emotions in more degree, - are more selective on what they think and facts they notice to fit to emotions they've got before.
    I don't know what person doesn't do this. It's arguably that everyone has a certain feeling first, then makes a decision based on that feeling, no matter how he thinks he has rationally arrived at a decision.

    It's not possible to make any decisions without a feeling. It's likely that a feeling is a condensation or a summarization of data. Since the information available in the world is infinite, you'd have to condense at some point if you ever want to decide and take an action.

    You know, there's someone who had a brain damage and lost all emotions, and he couldn't even make the simplest of decisions.

    Decisions are largely emotional, not logical: the neuroscience behind decision-making

    At the point of decision, emotions are very important for choosing. In fact even with what we believe are logical decisions, the very point of choice is arguably always based on emotion.

    A few years ago, neuroscientist Antonio Damasio made a groundbreaking discovery. He studied people with damage in the part of the brain where emotions are generated. He found that they seemed normal, except that they were not able to feel emotions. But they all had something peculiar in common: they couldn’t make decisions. They could describe what they should be doing in logical terms, yet they found it very difficult to make even simple decisions, such as what to eat. Many decisions have pros and cons on both sides—shall I have the chicken or the turkey? With no rational way to decide, these test subjects were unable to arrive at a decision.
    So apparently, a very "logical" person can't make a decision. You don't see "T types" stalling and never being able to decide on things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    I don't know what person doesn't do this. It's arguably that everyone has a certain feeling first, then makes a decision based on that feeling, no matter how he thinks he has rationally arrived at a decision.

    It's not possible to make any decisions without a feeling. It's likely that a feeling is a condensation or a summarization of data. Since the information available in the world is infinite, you'd have to condense at some point if you ever want to decide and take an action.

    You know, there's someone who had a brain damage and lost all emotions, and he couldn't even make the simplest of decisions.

    Decisions are largely emotional, not logical: the neuroscience behind decision-making

    At the point of decision, emotions are very important for choosing. In fact even with what we believe are logical decisions, the very point of choice is arguably always based on emotion.



    So apparently, a very "logical" person can't make a decision. You don't see "T types" stalling and never being able to decide on things.
    Quite true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    So apparently, a very "logical" person can't make a decision.
    Why do I think of Mr. Spock and Data now?
    Personally I doubt that people are capable of doing purely logical decisions. For such decisions you need complete detachment, but that is incompatible or even contradicts the needs of own existence and possibly of other people, in most cases, taken to extremes.
    Living creatures can't behave entirely logical, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singu View Post
    I don't know what person doesn't do this. It's arguably that everyone has a certain feeling first, then makes a decision based on that feeling, no matter how he thinks he has rationally arrived at a decision.

    It's not possible to make any decisions without a feeling. It's likely that a feeling is a condensation or a summarization of data. Since the information available in the world is infinite, you'd have to condense at some point if you ever want to decide and take an action.
    I agree that decision is come from a kind of subjectivity, but not everyone 'has a certain feeling first then making a decision based on that feeling'. Some of people look on things not always on their labels but also on their qualities or quantities. Not everyone has a strong impression of thing at the first sight and immediately making decision out of it. Even though our perceptions are made based on something we have sense before, doesn't mean it's always about the 'feeling' but also about some objective qualities. That's why there's always a guy who decide things faster while the other guy probably consume more time for considering his choices.

    There's always emotions in our decision, but not always the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Fe feels like the sun, and Fi like the wind or like magnets attracting and repulsing.
    Fi valued types, at least base Te, feel Fe mostly as annoying agitation and not sincere behavior. It's alien for them. What you feel as sun - is what you value. It's where are associations with warmness and light, with what is important for the life.
    I feel base Fi people with warmness and light.
    "like magnets attracting" - is an interest. conflictors catch an attention by the interest the most, for example

    Another arguments against your Fi type.

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