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    I'm confused about this thread, are we talking about "what lead to the current rise in far left extremism", or "is far left extremism good or bad"? I guess I'll focus on the former.

    It seems to me that the dramatic rise in Antifa (as such) started in 2016 in response to the campaign and subsequent election of Donald Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    I'm confused about this thread, are we talking about "what lead to the current rise in far left extremism", or "is far left extremism good or bad"? I guess I'll focus on the former.

    It seems to me that the dramatic rise in Antifa (as such) started in 2016 in response to the campaign and subsequent election of Donald Trump.
    Idk but a big part of why trump got elected seems precisely BECAUSE of moral righteousness from the left

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Idk but a big part of why trump got elected seems precisely BECAUSE of moral righteousness from the left
    Identity politics issues like feminism, LGBT, and race have had dramatically increased mainstream attention since 2011 or so, and that may be a factor. I've seen speculation that the reason for the mainstream attention around that time was to take pressure off of economic inequality in light of the aftermath of the 2008 recession, which sounds plausible to me. It's easier for a company to be anti-racism or anti-sexism than a company to be anti-capitalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Idk but a big part of why trump got elected seems precisely BECAUSE of moral righteousness from the left
    It's a damn shame really, lots of people didn't want Trump or Hillary in 2016. The corporate establishment figured out that the best way to disempower the left was to co-opt it and encourage it to engage in petty SJW bullshit, while at the same time demonizing and mocking the hardcore leftist serious about bringing down capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    It's a damn shame really, lots of people didn't want Trump or Hillary in 2016. The corporate establishment figured out that the best way to disempower the left was to co-opt it and encourage it to engage in petty SJW bullshit, while at the same time demonizing and mocking the hardcore leftist serious about bringing down capitalism.
    Capitalism isn't bad. Capitalism comes from the word "to capitalize." Capitalizing is good and is how people empower themselves. I'm not a "small government" or minarchist or anarchist person at all, but people should still be allowed to capitalize on whatever they'd like after all other things are considered. I've heard several people think socialism and capitalism will merge in the near future instead of the Marxist path of socialism overthrowing it and it'll look like Sweden, and if that happened I'd be all for it, but I still know for a fact that capitalism shouldn't be demonized as a concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coeruleum View Post
    Capitalism isn't bad. Capitalism comes from the word "to capitalize." Capitalizing is good and is how people empower themselves. I'm not a "small government" or minarchist or anarchist person at all, but people should still be allowed to capitalize on whatever they'd like after all other things are considered. I've heard several people think socialism and capitalism will merge in the near future instead of the Marxist path of socialism overthrowing it and it'll look like Sweden, and if that happened I'd be all for it, but I still know for a fact that capitalism shouldn't be demonized as a concept.
    I'll just copy and paste a post from the debate communism subreddit:

    Lets unpack the idea that "Capitalism works". In the US, the most developed Capitalist country, the richest country in the history of the world:


    Capitalist hegemony has short-circuited people into buying wildly illogical and ridiculous propaganda like: "Lift yourselves up by the bootstraps" (which shows the almost religious power of capitalist propaganda, that the impossible can become possible), or "Communism doesn't work", when in fact Communism did work extremely well.
    Examples from this post by /u/bayarea415, and Stephen Gowans - Do publicly owned, planned economies work, about the USSR specifically:



    Now let's take a look at what happens after the USSR collapse:


    For an overview of the soviet experiment, watch this brilliant talk by Micheal Parenti, or read his article, Left anticommunism, the unkindest cut.
    Also read this great article by Stephen Gowans, Do publicly owned, planned economies work?. Audio on youtube
    Bonus vid about cyber-communism: Paul Cockshott - Going beyond money.
    More sources: Socialism Crash Course, Socialism FAQ, Glossary.





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