The Rise of Far Left Extremism

[Muddy]

Capitalism gives you music, art, homes, cars, clothes that make you look good, tea and coffee to sit down and drink with others, and the whole workings of society.

And socialism/communism can't also provide these?

[Metamorph]

And socialism/communism can't also provide these?

It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.

[Muddy]

It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.

You realize that socialism has never yet managed to initially take hold within a wealthy industrialized nation right? Good art and music is a byproduct of wealth abundance. China, Russia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc where all dirt poor backwater countries just prior to becoming socialist and nothing could of possibly risen their wealth to USA levels within the Cold-War timeframe.

[Metamorph]

You realize that socialism has never yet managed to initially take hold within a wealthy industrialized nation right? Good art and music is a byproduct of wealth abundance. China, Russia, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, etc where all dirt poor backwater countries just prior to becoming socialist and nothing could of possibly risen their wealth to USA levels within the Cold-War timeframe.

Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth. When socialist countries get wealth, they become capitalist.

I'm also pretty sure the causation works the other way. If a country sells its resources, it has a finite amount of wealth. If a country creates new resources (arts in the broad sense) it has an infinite amount of wealth over time. If it combines its intellectual capital with its industry (arts in the narrow sense) it has an exponentially more infinite amount of wealth over time. You know why the Berlin Wall fell? There was a rock concert that was audible from the other side of the wall.

[Aramas]

Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth. When socialist countries get wealth, they become capitalist.

I'm also pretty sure the causation works the other way. If a country sells its resources, it has a finite amount of wealth. If a country creates new resources (arts in the broad sense) it has an infinite amount of wealth over time. If it combines its intellectual capital with its industry (arts in the narrow sense) it has an exponentially more infinite amount of wealth over time. You know why the Berlin Wall fell? There was a rock concert that was audible from the other side of the wall.

Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.

[Metamorph]

Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.

Yes, and that's why America has more wealth now than it has historically.

[mfckrz]

Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.

All freedom extends from property.

[Aramas]

All freedom extends from property.

Depends on how you define freedom.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Capitalism in its historical sense has been a form of socialism for the wealthy. The law protects rich people far better than it does the poor. The fundamental basis of law in the USA for example is based around property rights. No property? Not so many rights.

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.

[Muddy]

Socialism causes poverty and capitalism causes wealth.

[ooo]

It never does. Socialist music and art suck, self-expression isn't allowed, and there are always resource shortages.

mayakosky, lilya brik, chagall, the futurist and constructivist movements, this song

[Metamorph]

mayakosky, lilya brik, chagall, the futurist and constructivist movements, this song

OK, let me correct: socialist music and art suck in the same way that most people can't sing. Most people can physically sing, and there is some socialist music and art that doesn't suck, but it's not significant in either case.