The Rise of Far Left Extremism

[miss BabyDoll]

As it has been stated numerous times by Bezmenov “[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” are nothing but a tool for cultural subversion.

[Aramas]

As it has been stated numerous times by Bezmenov “[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” are nothing but a tool for cultural subversion.

Assuming he wasn't just making up a load of BS for the right to say the left are just tools lol. Something similar happens in Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich where Nazism was talked of as a form of socialism, but ****** had private meetings with corporate executives, and they did really good business during his reign in Germany.

It's not a good idea to look at Bezmenov's statement uncritically. He could have just been a right wing guy himself.

[miss BabyDoll]

Assuming he wasn't just making up a load of BS for the right to say the left are just tools lol. Something similar happens in Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich where Nazism was talked of as a form of socialism, but ****** had private meetings with corporate executives, and they did really good business during his reign in Germany.

it certainly wasn't a made up thing because you see the exact manifestation of what he was talking about in today's society. He focused on defining how ideological subversion works dividing it into 4 stages (through process called brainwashing):
The first stage is called "demoralization" which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (any ruling ideology) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

you decide at which stage we currently are.

[Aramas]

it certainly wasn't a made up thing because you see the exact manifestation of what he was talking about in today's society. He focused on defining how ideological subversion works dividing it into 4 stages (through process called brainwashing):
The first stage is called "demoralization" which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (any ruling ideology) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

you decide at which stage we currently are.

That kind of thinking is extremely prone to apophenia. It's curious to think about but unreliable.

[Adam Strange]

it certainly wasn't a made up thing because you see the exact manifestation of what he was talking about in today's society. He focused on defining how ideological subversion works dividing it into 4 stages (through process called brainwashing):
The first stage is called "demoralization" which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.
Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is "destabilization". During this two-to-five-year period what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (any ruling ideology) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.
The third stage would be "crisis". It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis. The crisis would bring "a violent change of power, structure, and economy" and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That's when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

you decide at which stage we currently are.

An interesting take on Revolution. I think it is sort of like having driving instructions for a spaceship when you actually have a sandbox.

I don't believe that you can create a revolution in a country just by re-educating the youth. I've never seen any examples of this. Instead, my theory of revolution states that there are only two classes that matter. The class with political power and the class with money. When the two classes consist of the same people, no revolution. When the classes consist of different people, then there will be revolution.

I could elaborate if you care to hear about it. Otherwise, I'm pretty busy right now and I hope your day goes well.

[miss BabyDoll]

An interesting take on Revolution. I think it is sort of like having driving instructions for a spaceship when you actually have a sandbox.

I don't believe that you can create a revolution in a country just by re-educating the youth. I've never seen any examples of this. Instead, my theory of revolution states that there are only two classes that matter. The class with political power and the class with money. When the two classes consist of the same people, no revolution. When the classes consist of different people, then there will be revolution.

I could elaborate if you care to hear about it. Otherwise, I'm pretty busy right now and I hope your day goes well.

you haven't seen them? well do a cross-sectional comparative study of educational systems 20 years ago and now. worst revolutions are the silent, subversive and gradual ones you're not even aware of.

[Adam Strange]

you haven't seen them? well do a cross-sectional comparative study of educational systems 20 years ago and now. worst revolutions are the silent, subversive and gradual ones you're not even aware of.

Lol. The ones I'm not even aware of. Like the one in the Sagittarius sector?

You show me your revolutions and I'll show you mine.
I studied revolutions for several years, when I wanted to overthrow the government of the US. I learned a lot in the process.

Actually, I can't do this right now. I have to do some work. But, I'll be back later today.

[miss BabyDoll]

Lol. The ones I'm not even aware of. Like the one in the Sagittarius sector?

You show me your revolutions and I'll show you mine.
I studied revolutions for several years, when I wanted to overthrow the government of the US. I learned a lot in the process.

Actually, I can't do this right now. I have to do some work. But, I'll be back later today.

i've instructed you what to do if you truly wish to study this topic in-depth and i have given you point of reference (the bezmenov study). i'm not interested in futile dialogue so this is where our discussion ends.

[Metamorph]

Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” are nothing but a tool for cultural subversion.

The bright state isn't Marxist-Leninists though. Marxist-Leninists don't believe that there's no such thing as truth and that the blood-dimmed tide of madness should be loosed on the world because that's the ultimate form of the oppressed turning on their oppressors. Marxist-Leninists didn't turn gay pride month into some sort of religious holiday (I like gay people, but seriously?) This isn't the Soviet Union.

[mfckrz]

This isn't the Soviet Union.

You're not wrong. It's shaping up to be something worse—insofar as the global implications of its anomie. At least the USSR's rot was largely contained within its own borders.

[Metamorph]

You're not wrong. It's shaping up to be something worse—insofar as the global implications of its anomie. At least the USSR's rot was largely contained within its own borders.

I did mean it was worse. We would end up blown back to the Stone Age but slinging nuclear waste in unidentifiable steel ruins with broken neo-bicameral minds and lead-heavy hearts if American politics continued in this direction without change. Fortunately, that's not going to be completed, but it's still not good a good trajectory to see to begin with.

[miss BabyDoll]

The bright state isn't Marxist-Leninists though. Marxist-Leninists don't believe that there's no such thing as truth and that the blood-dimmed tide of madness should be loosed on the world because that's the ultimate form of the oppressed turning on their oppressors. Marxist-Leninists didn't turn gay pride month into some sort of religious holiday (I like gay people, but seriously?) This isn't the Soviet Union.

the point of the quote wasn't to take every single part of it literally but to understand how the principle of useful idiots works. you can easily swap Marxist -Leninist with any current leftist ideology (albeit i'd still go on and call it cultural marxism) and it would still make sense.