The Rise of Far Left Extremism

[Singu]

The idea that someone can change their mind during a thread is revolutionary, I know. But that is all you have so you keep beating the same point home like a broken record.

Like I told Singu, you two keep hammering the same point because that is all you have. Besides being less harmful and not being Neo-Nazis, ANTIFA are basically indefensible. Like Singu, you two are just mad that I specifically singled out far leftists like you guys and separated you two from the rest of the sane leftists to the entire forum. I don't regret it at all, now everyone can know who the problem is and who isn't.

Too bad most people share my views and most people don't give a shit about whatever antifa does and don't think that they're a huge threat to society.

Look, what you've been saying is mostly typical imagined right-wing hysteria, such as:

1) Sweden is being swamped by Muslims, and pretty soon they will become a Muslim country if immigration is uncontrolled.

2) Antifa are the biggest threat to society since... well, whatever.

3) There is left-wing and media conspiracy to brainwash the entire nation, and things like multi-culturism are destroying Western culture. The fact that I can't say mean things on YouTube or Twitter is an obvious left-wing suppression and authoritarianism, those bastards!

We know where you're getting your sources from, because they're all typical right-wing hysteria that doesn't actually exist or is a huge problem in reality.

[perpetuus]

Unbridled authoritarianism leads to nasty outcomes.

[ooo]

from someone concerned about online hate, that's a lot of delusional hypocrisy

[Alonzo]

Why are the vast majority of IEEs around here so remedial in their understanding of...everything?

[Dalek Caan]

Why are the vast majority of IEEs around here so remedial in their understanding of...everything?

Is there anything wrong with that though? The alternative is just to argue and preach and never change mind, which seems like a complete waste of time.

[Dauphin]

I'm as much an inbred Appalachian bigot as William Faulkner or Robert Penn Warren, I suppose (nice way to stick up for the poor and downtrodden btw). All of your posts confuse me more than anything, nothing but nonsense pulled out of your pathological imaginings.
This is the last post I'll make in this thread. This is stupid.

[Alonzo]

I'm as much an inbred Appalachian bigot as William Faulkner or Robert Penn Warren, I suppose (nice way to stick up for the poor and downtrodden btw). All of your posts confuse me more than anything, nothing but nonsense pulled out of your pathological imaginings.
This is the last post I'll make in this thread. This is stupid.

lol Talk about deluded...

1.) Ho, you are not Faulkner. He was a prolific, widely acclaimed talent; you are not. Or, at the very least, any talent you may possess is not readily discernible, save for your ability to graze dick with your teeth.

2.) As a EIE enneagram 4 (which is highly unlikely and if actually so, would certainly speak to your evident sub par "health"), "pathological imaginings" are what define you. More blatant projection. Tsk.

3.) The "poor and downtrodden," especially anywhere containing the likes of you, already receive an unearned, undeserved and disproportionate amount of my largesse and good will, even as they foolishly empower people that seek their disenfranchisement and show disdain towards those that pose no actual threat. That being the case, I'm sure they wouldn't mind "taking one for the team" in my disembowelment of one of their trifling, equally problematic and hypocritical "native sons."

"In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from God." lol

4.) Farewell, bitch.

[Aramas]

I'm as much an inbred Appalachian bigot as William Faulkner or Robert Penn Warren, I suppose (nice way to stick up for the poor and downtrodden btw). All of your posts confuse me more than anything, nothing but nonsense pulled out of your pathological imaginings.
This is the last post I'll make in this thread. This is stupid.

lol Talk about deluded...

1.) Ho, you are not Faulkner. He was a prolific, widely acclaimed talent; you are not. Or, at the very least, any talent you may possess is not readily discernible, save for your ability to graze dick with your teeth.

2.) As a EIE enneagram 4 (which is highly unlikely and if actually so, would certainly speak to your evident sub par "health"), "pathological imaginings" are what define you. More blatant projection. Tsk.

3.) The "poor and downtrodden," especially anywhere containing the likes of you, already receive an unearned, undeserved and disproportionate amount of my largesse and good will, even as they foolishly empower people that seek their disenfranchisement and show disdain towards those that pose no actual threat. That being the case, I'm sure they wouldn't mind "taking one for the team" in my disembowelment of one of their trifling, equally problematic and hypocritical "native sons."

"In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from God." lol

4.) Farewell, bitch.

Tbh I can't see why both of you had to step down into ad hominem arguments while talking about this kind of stuff. Are both of you really so uninformed that you can't come up with anything to say about the topic by itself?

[Alonzo]

Tbh I can't see why both of you had to step down into ad hominem arguments while talking about this kind of stuff. Are both of you really so uninformed that you can't come up with anything to say about the topic by itself?

For one, he took a shot at me and being someone I don't particularly care for, I retaliated--it's as simple as that. Furthermore, I don't necessarily see the usage of ad hominem arguments as a "step down"--I can both insult and make whatever argument I choose to at the same time. I don't know why people act as if that's such a difficult thing to do. In an e-brawl, I'm liable to say all kinds of untoward shit for the sake of the battle > 1D Fi and 2D Fe. I understand that others might find it difficult to say the types of things I do, but that's what makes us different. For those who deal with me in a respectful manner, I usually return that, easily. For those who don't, they get what they get.

[Dauphin]

Tbh I can't see why both of you had to step down into ad hominem arguments while talking about this kind of stuff. Are both of you really so uninformed that you can't come up with anything to say about the topic by itself?

Mea culpa. I'm arrogant by nature.

[Metamorph]

Yes, far leftists are everywhere, making America and the rest of the developed world into a shithole with their idiotic opinions. That's the ground on which Antifa can be considered just as bad as neo-Nazis without being exactly equivalent in every minor detail. The only way to find anyone who doesn't act autistic and retarded in America is to hang out with poor or uneducated people, and that has another set of problems. I am organizing to help the freshmen at the local university avoid becoming indoctrinated by communazi bureaucrats since I remember very well that freshmen don't typically come in like that unless they're weirdos who have been reading too much Tumblr and Reddit. I remember times of relative innocence before college and I'm glad I have the skills and knowledge to survive intact. It's actually incredibly easy to take down the bright state but no one who hasn't heard my observations even knows the depth and breadth of the problem since all the actually-intellectual students without exception (except for me) are too busy having the "four best years of their life" whining about how they're being metaphorically raped by Beethoven (you do you, I guess,) and the non-intellectual ones have no idealistic expectations like youth is supposed to. This communist country can kiss my ass.

[Singu]

Yes, far leftists are everywhere, making America and the rest of the developed world into a shithole with their idiotic opinions. That's the ground on which Antifa can be considered just as bad as neo-Nazis without being exactly equivalent in every minor detail.

Antifa don't really have any ideologies, doctrines or opinions, they just attack far-right and racial supremacists, etc. They're a kind of anarchists.

If you want to know what's really making America and the rest of the world into a shithole, then it's neoliberalism and neoconservatism. Neoliberalism has turned into an economic doctrine of "blaming the victim", where it turns around and say that the economic theory is sound, but the problem is you, because you didn't work hard enough or you're just playing the victim. Well, look where that has gotten us other than making everybody equally poor.

As for neoconservatism, well we know America's insane militarism and their militaristic doctrine of "Full-spectrum dominance" has actually turned many countries into an actual shithole, and they're the entire reason why there are so many refugees and immigrants that the rights complain about.

But of course, blaming the left is much easier and much safer...

[Metamorph]

Antifa don't really have any ideologies, doctrines or opinions, they just attack far-right and racial supremacists, etc. They're a kind of anarchists.

If you want to know what's really making America and the rest of the world into a shithole, then it's neoliberalism and neoconservatism. Neoliberalism has turned into an economic doctrine of "blaming the victim", where it turns around and say that the economic theory is sound, but the problem is you, because you didn't work hard enough or you're just playing the victim. Well, look where that has gotten us other than making everybody equally poor.

As for neoconservatism, well we know America's insane militarism and their militaristic doctrine of "Full-spectrum dominance" has actually turned many countries into an actual shithole, and they're the entire reason why there are so many refugees and immigrants that the rights complain about.

I agree that neoconservatism is bad but neoconservatism is the flipside to American's covert socialism in universities. Do you think all the neocons are backwards hicks? They're Ivy League educated Presidents who raid countries with major cultural achievements not for their resources but for their money itself. If we wanted oil, it'd be easier to raid South America or peacefully annex Canada than it'd be to wage a war on Middle Eastern countries where the economic value of the oil is significantly less than the value lost waging the war. Middle Eastern countries can make a lot of money with the same amount of oil as significantly less wealthy countries because they're older countries with gold-embellished mosques and long poetry traditions and, until recently, wine production (in Persia) as well as mathematics and sciences (al-gebra, al-chemie, etc.) They're not rich just from having resources. The cost of living in the desert would kind of offset that.

Neoliberalism is a half-truth. I still believe that there is order in the world and that it isn't a bunch of chaos and randomness so yes, I am going to tell people to not play the victim card, but at the same time I don't expect everyone to do everything for themselves. If your house is on fire, the fire department will put it out, not you yourself. If you're drowning, the lifeguard will get you out. Those measures are put in place exactly because those are expected risks. The world being absolute chaos with there being nothing anyone can do to influence their destiny or their lives is not an expected risk of any sort, just an excuse for paternalistic tyranny.

[Ave]

But of course, blaming the left is much easier and much safer...

Is it? I guess it depends upon who's in power, and your entourage (where ostracism is concerned).

[Metamorph]

And yes, I'm saying that the US government gets most of its money directly from making other countries poor by tearing them up with wars without producing anything of value. The US is in trillions of dollars of debt primarily due to funding its military. How is that a good investment at all? Making other countries poor and war-torn destroys almost all the cultural capital they had so people will buy products from the US instead. Almost all the US's products are cultural even if statistics try to minimize that. Yes, Coca-Cola is fizzy sugar water, but the value of Coca-Cola is what it stands for, the image, etc. and not the mere fact that it's fizzy sugar water. You don't need fizzy sugar water to survive and there are other brands if you just want it. The US is losing more money than it makes this way since culture isn't a zero-sum game but you can't expect the idiots who get Ivy League educations to know this.

[Raver]

Too bad most people share my views and most people don't give a shit about whatever antifa does and don't think that they're a huge threat to society.

Look, what you've been saying is mostly typical imagined right-wing hysteria, such as:

1) Sweden is being swamped by Muslims, and pretty soon they will become a Muslim country if immigration is uncontrolled.

2) Antifa are the biggest threat to society since... well, whatever.

3) There is left-wing and media conspiracy to brainwash the entire nation, and things like multi-culturism are destroying Western culture. The fact that I can't say mean things on YouTube or Twitter is an obvious left-wing suppression and authoritarianism, those bastards!

We know where you're getting your sources from, because they're all typical right-wing hysteria that doesn't actually exist or is a huge problem in reality.

My sources are a hybrid of left wing and right wing sources. Don't let my stance on immigration fool you, I have several leftist beliefs. The problem isn't the left wing in general, most left wingers are fine. Even a far left economic liberal like Bernie Sanders is fine as he is anti-establishment to the core and poses a threat to corporate interests. The issue is specifically far left identity politics that both far left idenitarians like ANTIFA and center left neoliberal corporatists use as well.

Antifa don't really have any ideologies, doctrines or opinions, they just attack far-right and racial supremacists, etc. They're a kind of anarchists.

If you want to know what's really making America and the rest of the world into a shithole, then it's neoliberalism and neoconservatism. Neoliberalism has turned into an economic doctrine of "blaming the victim", where it turns around and say that the economic theory is sound, but the problem is you, because you didn't work hard enough or you're just playing the victim. Well, look where that has gotten us other than making everybody equally poor.

As for neoconservatism, well we know America's insane militarism and their militaristic doctrine of "Full-spectrum dominance" has actually turned many countries into an actual shithole, and they're the entire reason why there are so many refugees and immigrants that the rights complain about.

But of course, blaming the left is much easier and much safer...

Finally, we can reach common ground on something. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are major issues because they both support bad status quo policies. Neoliberalism with their inability to want to enact economic social policies and neoconservatism for economic policies that favor corporations and the rich and being warhawks. Neoliberalism and ANTIFA can both be issues in the same time by the way, you don't have to pick one or the other.

[Alonzo]

My sources are a hybrid of left wing and right wing sources. Don't let my stance on immigration fool you, I have several leftist beliefs. The problem isn't the left wing in general, most left wingers are fine. Even a far left economic liberal like Bernie Sanders is fine as he is anti-establishment to the core and poses a threat to corporate interests. The issue is specifically far left identity politics that both far left idenitarians like ANTIFA and center left neoliberal corporatists use as well.

More evidence that you don't possess as much as in-depth knowledge and nuanced understanding of these topics as you claim (in so much as you frequently speak on them, often invoking some buzzword that you relentlessly beat over the head); everything you say sounds like it's been regurgitated from the most partisan, right wing hacks. First off, when conservative and moderate commentators talk about "identity politics," they usually mean espousing ideas and policies that appeal specifically to women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, in other words, a "multi-tribalism" or multi-tribal coalition of sorts; but in contrast, the right has long peddled in a form of mono-tribalism (centered on white, straight, Christian men), and as of recent (with the rise of Trump), a particularly ethnonationalist brand of mono-tribalism rooted in white identified grievance politics and culture wars. Anyone who has watched Fox News for a few minutes can cop to this.

Trump's "us against them” brand of demagoguery (and his focus on white ethnocentrism, anti-immigrant attitudes, racial resentment, fear of Muslims, and racial and ethnic intolerance) resonates in an American political environment that has long been centered on social groups and has grown even more since the Obama era. Appeals to racial and ethnic anxieties have often succeeded in activating support for racially conservative politicians. There has been research conducted that shows that white identity more strongly affects opinions when whites perceive themselves as under threat. This foreshadows a rising white identity politics as the United States becomes a majority-minority nation. The white supremacists marching on Charlottesville were only a small segment of a much larger population for whom the politics of white identity has deep resonance and meaning. The vast majority of white Americans who feel threatened by the country’s growing racial and ethnic diversity are not members of the KKK or neo-Nazis. They are much greater in number, and far more mainstream, which is why a fair amount of them were ripe for the picking when Trump came along, propped up and backed up by Fox News, the alt-right, intellectual dark web, etc... that have crafted a decidedly right wing, white oriented identity politic centered around resistance and opposition to actual and/or perceived left wing identity politics. Stop disingenuously focusing on the left wing as if they are the sole perpetrators of centering one's identity.

One of my chief issues with your "takes" and opinions is that they lack what I deem to be an intellectual honesty/rigor because they conveniently leave out deeper contexts, connections, perspectives, and data points that matter in these types of discussions. It just makes you look like an uninformed, lopsided hack. I'm not trying to be mean, but in a debate, that's some frustrating shit. And as a matter of public dialogue, I see your brand of cherry picking as dangerous.

[Singu]

Finally, we can reach common ground on something. Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are major issues because they both support bad status quo policies. Neoliberalism with their inability to want to enact economic social policies and neoconservatism for economic policies that favor corporations and the rich and being warhawks. Neoliberalism and ANTIFA can both be issues in the same time by the way, you don't have to pick one or the other.

Well great, you've successfully distracted away the real dangers of the far-right by making a false equivalence, and then moved onto a completely different target. The far-right has successfully dodged and evaded any condemnation and criticisms, and now they can freely go on their merry ways unscathed.

I don't think you do it deliberately, but it's clear that this is what the far-right wants. You're simply being used like a fodder and a propagandist tool for their cause.

[Raver]

Well great, you've successfully distracted away the real dangers of the far-right by making a false equivalence, and then moved onto a completely different target. The far-right has successfully dodged and evaded from any condemnation and criticisms, and now they can freely go on their merry ways unscathed.

I don't think you do it deliberately, but it's clear that this is what the far-right wants. You're simply being used like a fodder and a propagandist tool for their cause.

I can say the same thing about you, that you're being used like a fodder and a propagandist tool for the cause of the far left. Instead of incorrectly thinking that I'm supporting the far right directly or indirectly, maybe we should reach common ground in our disdain for neoliberal/neoconservative politicians and corporations. Both the far-right and the far-left have emerged as symptoms of neoliberal/neoconservative politicians and corporations via their social policies that serve to further business interests to line their pockets. What they want is each political side to have their own personal boogeyman, the left with the far right and the right with the far left so attention is drawn away from them and directed towards pawns instead so they can continue to profit and continue with their plans without too much criticism directed towards them.

[Singu]

I can say the same thing about you, that you're being used like a fodder and a propagandist tool for the cause of the far left. Instead of incorrectly thinking that I'm supporting the far right directly or indirectly, maybe we should reach common ground in our disdain for neoliberal/neoconservative politicians and corporations. Both the far-right and the far-left have emerged as symptoms of neoliberal/neoconservative politicians and corporations via their social policies that serve to further business interests to line their pockets. What they want is each political side to have their own personal boogeyman, the left with the far right and the right with the far left so attention is drawn away from them and directed towards pawns instead so they can continue to profit and continue with their plans without too much criticism directed towards them.

Your views are no different than the far-rights', because you believe that people of different races and ethnicities inherently don't get along, so you believe that immigration should be restricted if not outright abolished. This view basically justifies attacks and harassments of minorities, because it's their fault for merely existing and being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Raver]

lol You mean the family that won't even let you go outside to burn in the sun?

On a personal note, @Raver, your support of prepubescent, identity fucked, emo nutters like the above who—incidentally, its mother must've gotten better at ridding its Day of the Week panties of the dagger like, encrusted skid marks partly responsible for its angsty, "edgy" temperament seeing as how it's become more vocal as of late—to refer to themselves as "Neo-Nazis," doesn't speak well of you. Lots of Uncle Tom/Tio Tomas vibes going on with you that strike me as particularly self-loathing and pathetic.

This is your truth >

That person ain't "white"; furthermore, I've seen you and at best, you are off-white/white approximate, but still easily mistaken for "the help" or some migrant day worker. I don't get people who support belief systems and ideologies that actively and aggressively work against the interests of them and their own people. A lot of your distant cousins are at the US Southern Border, as we speak, being treated like utter shit by racist, bigoted, prejudiced right wing nutjobs no different in thought than run away abortions like @Vizany. If I'm being completely honest, a significant part of the "hostility" you've received from me, stems from the idea that a clear, multi-ethnic person of color would prostrate himself in front of those that would see him disenfranchised or dead.

How did you see my picture? I never posted it on the forum, lol. Unless you count that time when I went to a meet up 6 years ago and my picture was posted by someone else, but it was eventually removed.

Anyways, if you went through the trouble of looking for my ancestry that I posted on this site then you might as well post the up to date information:



So basically I am 68% European, 23% Native American, 7% African, 2% West Asian

I don't think I've ever claimed to be "white" in this forum lol, I've said many times that I'm mixed race and I've never hidden it. I know very well if I went to the stormfront forums and claimed I was white on these results, that they would laugh and mock me regardless of my physical appearance, but I never sought to be a part of people with those kind of views. I've read the stormfront forums out of curiosity enough to know that I would be treated like any other colored person for being a mongrel so you're pretty much preaching to the choir here.

I have no clue why you keep mentioning @Vizany to me, maybe his posts triggered you. He's a teenager and his views will change as he grows older so you constantly attacking him directly is not cool at all. What is your ethnicity though @Alonzo? You've mentioned before you are 3/4 ethnically Swedish, 1/4 of something else? But then you mentioned you were half viking/half mandingo? Just be completely open and say it. I never actually saw your picture, but I heard from others that you looked African when you posted your pic and quickly took it down? Just say what you are already, are you a quadroon? a mulatto? something else? There is no shame in hiding it, embrace your mixed race heritage like I have instead of beating around the bush.

Anyways, lets talk about my views on immigration in US/Canada/Australia/NZ because it affects me directly as a Canadian. My immigration views on these countries are pretty much center right conservative. I am against mass immigration/open borders into these countries because I believe if we let in too many people, it will put a drain on our infrastructure and our quality of life. I do believe that letting in too many immigrants can worsen our 1st world standard of living, but letting in the right number of immigrants won't. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it for these countries, it's about sheer number of people entering the country that is both legal and illegal.

The same goes for the US as well, it's about receiving the right amount of legal immigrants so population in Canada and US does not get too high and overwhelm the infrastructure in our cities and deteriorate our standard of living like what is happening in California right now due to its homeless epidemic. So with the US, it's mostly about preventing illegal immigration and maintaining reasonable legal immigration levels. With Canada, it's similar, but more of an emphasis on maintaining reduced legal immigration numbers and less on illegal immigration since we have much less illegal immigration.

Your views are no different than the far-rights', because you believe that people of different races and ethnicities inherently don't get along, so you believe that immigration should be restricted if not outright abolished. This view basically justifies attacks and harassments of minorities, because it's their fault for merely existing and being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

My center right conservative immigration views in the country I live in that I just mentioned to Alonzo are far right? Maybe to the far left that are open borders/mass immigration, but my views on reducing immigration in my country are quite common:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5397306/c...igration-poll/

Sixty-three per cent of respondents to a recent Leger poll said the government should prioritize limiting immigration levels because the country might be reaching a limit in its ability to integrate them.

Just 37 per cent said the priority should be on growing immigration to meet the demands of Canada’s expanding economy.

I guess 63% of my country is far right for wanting to reduce immigration and keep it at controlled levels. The only people that promote mass immigration/open borders are far leftists to virtue signal about how self-righteous they are and neoliberal and neoconservative corporatists that want a steady flow of cheap labor to profit from.

[xerx]

The Far Right is more extreme.

[ooo]

lies : )

hypocritical delusional shit confirmed

(and congratulations for the fine art of insulting strangers online!)

[Alonzo]

lies : )

hypocritical delusional shit confirmed

(and congratulations for the fine art of insulting strangers online!)

Da fuck are you talking about? The only "lies" you know about are the ones your body tell before the inevitable seroconversion.

[Cheebs]

I feel like this whole debate over Antifa is sort of emotionally overcharged. They are symptom, not a cause. The cause is corporations and government shoving their soulless neoliberal agenda down everyone's throats which is where most of the attention and outrage should be targeted, not on some deranged foot soldiers burning trash cans or hitting old people.

The truth is that throughout history, the vast majority of people have been lemmings who will conform to whatever the society's leaders decide to get by. Antifa happen to be a bunch of lemmings who are scared that the System is being threatened/overtaken (by the likes of, well, me) and constantly feel dread that all their Marvel™ movies and sex toys and all the goody goody corporation-approved ideas they were taught at school will be taken away by a big blonde guy who yells loud and has a scary gun like in movies. So this deranged, emotionally overcharged sense of instability (also contributed to by corporations on a daily basis) clouds their minds and sends them to a fantasy world where they have to be like the superheroes they subconsciously program themselves with at IMAX™ and defend corporate interests or else Cheeto™ ****** will send them to the Shadow Realm and do things that violate corporate standards.

That's really all there is to it.

And you may be thinking "Nuh-uh, girl, you're projecting. Neo-Nazis like you are the same way you dumb hoe [laughing/crying emoji x4]". Well, if you look at my posts in the Political Pictures or Political Videos thread you can see that you're wrong. And this struggle is for the good and me and my family and my tribe. I don't have some nonsensical ideal that takes priority over that like the corporate foot soldiers do.

[Metamorph]

OK, I love that post, except for the fact that I don't think companies like Cheetos are responsible for the problem. It is true that if they all got together, they could overthrow the military-industrial complex, but is that what they're supposed to to do begin with, even when the stakes are this high? Here's some virtue ethics for you: The virtue of a knife is to cut, but my knife won't cut anything. If my knife doesn't cut anything, and then I try to use my spoon to cut things but it doesn't work either, am I warranted in cursing my spoon and throwing it against the wall and destroying it? No, I don't think that's reasonable. So, I don't think corporations in general are to blame for the state of things. I would blame the military-industrial complex, and I absolutely would blame Hollywood for promoting the military-industrial complex when they're more than able to make good films that speak about the issues of today instead of awful superhero films that program people to punch people who have scary ideas and glorify the military, but I wouldn't blame the people selling snacks at the movies. Technically anyone could do anything to solve any problem if they pushed themselves enough, but that just gets us to some sort of "original sin" concept where everyone can be blamed for everything because they're not literally God and I don't think that's a useful explanation if we're going to try to actually solve problems.

[waddup]

None of you are my duals. My duals dont even follow politics.

[Metamorph]

None of you are my duals. My duals dont even follow politics.

In Soviet America, politics follows you.

[Muddy]

Extremism is just a natural product of people being frustrated and feeling like they have nothing to lose, which is where a lot of people are at today thanks to anti-progressive policies and sucking the free market's dick. The purchasing power of average Americans hasn't risen at all for the past 40 years. People are trapped in debt. Most jobs available on the market pay shit and offer workers no dignity. The government with all its adherers to capitalism and the free market has been doing absolutely nothing to fix any problems. The establishment's #1 enemy has and always will be socialism which is where people forcibly seize assets from the wealthy elite, and they will do whatever they can to muddle the waters and cause the working poor to fight amongst themselves. All this shit ANTIFA and the Trump crowd fight over about like racism and immigration is just a big ruse that distracts people away from the more systematic problems.

[Metamorph]

Extremism is just a natural product of people being frustrated and feeling like they have nothing to lose, which is where a lot of people are at today thanks to anti-progressive policies and sucking the free market's dick. The purchasing power of average Americans hasn't risen at all for the past 40 years. People are trapped in debt. Most jobs available on the market pay shit and offer workers no dignity. The government with all its adherers to capitalism and the free market has been doing absolutely nothing to fix any problems. The establishment's #1 enemy has and always will be socialism which is where people forcibly seize assets from the wealthy elite, and they will do whatever they can to muddle the waters and cause the working poor to fight amongst themselves. All this shit ANTIFA and the Trump crowd fight over about like racism and immigration is just a big ruse that distracts people away from the more systematic problems.

OK, so tell me what the world will look like after the poor seize it and eat the rich.

[Muddy]

OK, so tell me what the world will look like after the poor seize it and eat the rich.

Well first of all, socialism doesn't have to accomplished by a complete eating of the rich at the start. First step is for a socialist party to take power of the state, preferably through democratic means if possible. It is expected that will be some insurrection from right-wing nutjobs at the start so they must be dealt with first until things become stable. Then after that you begin to incrementally nationalize portions of the economy, starting with the biggest and most important ones like communication services and banks and then work your way down to smaller private companies. With the acquired resources taken from private enterprise the state will begin providing more social services like public transportation, scientific research, advanced education and advanced healthcare, which all help people as well as boost the economy in the long term. Wages will set at reason levels by the state instead of the free market so you won't see some people make billions while others get scraps. When socialism is achieved national projects will actually be able to be planned effectively and people lives will be able to be gradually and steadily bettered, as opposed to our haphazard and stagnate capitalist system we live in now.

[mfckrz]

Well first of all, socialism doesn't have to accomplished by a complete eating of the rich at the start. First step is for a socialist party to take power of the state, preferably through democratic means if possible. It is expected that will be some insurrection from right-wing nutjobs at the start so they must be dealt with first until things become stable. Then after that you begin to incrementally nationalize portions of the economy, starting with the biggest and most important ones like communication services and banks and then work your way down to smaller private companies. With the acquired resources taken from private enterprise the state will begin providing more social services like public transportation, scientific research, advanced education and advanced healthcare, which all help people as well as boost the economy in the long term. Wages will set at reason levels by the state instead of the free market so you won't see some people make billions while others get scraps. When socialism is achieved national projects will actually be able to be planned effectively and people lives will be able to be gradually and steadily bettered, as opposed to our haphazard and stagnate capitalist system we live in now.

lol. Didn't they try this in Venezuela already?

[Muddy]

lol. Didn't they try this in Venezuela already?

They are in the process. Only around 30% of their economy as of now is state owned compared to Cuba's 75%. Right wingers there had a fit as usual about handing over their goodies and attempted to sabotage the state. Transiting to socialism is always rough in the beginning but in the end is superior to capitalism.

[Alonzo]

And you may be thinking "Nuh-uh, girl, you're projecting. Neo-Nazis like you are the same way you dumb hoe [laughing/crying emoji x4]". Well, if you look at my posts in the Political Pictures or Political Videos thread you can see that you're wrong. And this struggle is for the good and me and my family and my tribe. I don't have some nonsensical ideal that takes priority over that like the corporate foot soldiers do.

lol You mean the family that won't even let you go outside to burn in the sun?

On a personal note, @Raver, your support of prepubescent, identity fucked, emo nutters like the above who—incidentally, its mother must've gotten better at ridding its Day of the Week panties of the dagger like, encrusted skid marks partly responsible for its angsty, "edgy" temperament seeing as how it's become more vocal as of late—to refer to themselves as "Neo-Nazis," doesn't speak well of you. Lots of Uncle Tom/Tio Tomas vibes going on with you that strike me as particularly self-loathing and pathetic.

This is your truth >

I got my Ancestry DNA results about 2 months ago. For the record, I'm half Italian and half Mexican:

Europe - 60%

Main Region

Italy/Greece - 48%

Trace Regions - 12%

Europe West - 5%
Iberian Peninsula - 4%
Europe East - 2%
Scandinavia - 1%

America - 22%

Main Region

Native American - 22%

Africa - 9%

Main Region

Senegal - 5%

Trace Regions

Africa North - 3%
Ivory Coast/Ghana - 1%

West Asia - 8%

Trace Regions

Middle East - 7%
Caucasus - <1%

Asia - <1%

Trace Region

Central Asia - <1%

That person ain't "white"; furthermore, I've seen you and at best, you are off-white/white approximate, but still easily mistaken for "the help" or some migrant day worker. I don't get people who support belief systems and ideologies that actively and aggressively work against the interests of them and their own people. A lot of your distant cousins are at the US Southern Border, as we speak, being treated like utter shit by racist, bigoted, prejudiced right wing nutjobs no different in thought than run away abortions like @Vizany. If I'm being completely honest, a significant part of the "hostility" you've received from me, stems from the idea that a clear, multi-ethnic person of color would prostrate himself in front of those that would see him disenfranchised or dead.

[perpetuus]

That person ain't "white"; furthermore, I've seen you and at best, you are off-white/white approximate, but still easily mistaken for "the help" or some migrant day worker. I don't get people who support belief systems and ideologies that actively and aggressively work against the interests of them and their own people. A lot of your distant cousins are at the US Southern Border, as we speak, being treated like utter shit by racist, bigoted, prejudiced right wing nutjobs no different in thought than run away abortions like @Vizany. If I'm being completely honest, a significant part of the "hostility" you've received from me, stems from the idea that a clear, multi-ethnic person of color would prostrate himself in front of those that would see him disenfranchised or dead.

I think there's some resentment that some established (i.e. having lived in the USA for multiple generations) Hispanic Americans might feel toward more recent immigrants. A sense that they haven't "earned their dues". Not that I agree with this line of thinking, but I've noticed it on occasion with people I've known whose families have already been in the US for at least a few decades.

[mfckrz]

On a personal note, @Raver, your support of prepubescent, identity fucked, emo nutters like the above who—incidentally, its mother must've gotten better at ridding its Day of the Week panties of the dagger like, encrusted skid marks partly responsible for its angsty, "edgy" temperament seeing as how it's become more vocal as of late—to refer to themselves as "Neo-Nazis," doesn't speak well of you. Lots of Uncle Tom/Tio Tomas vibes going on with you that strike me as particularly self-loathing and pathetic.

This is your truth >

That person ain't "white"; furthermore, I've seen you and at best, you are off-white/white approximate, but still easily mistaken for "the help" or some migrant day worker. I don't get people who support belief systems and ideologies that actively and aggressively work against the interests of them and their own people. A lot of your distant cousins are at the US Southern Border, as we speak, being treated like utter shit by racist, bigoted, prejudiced right wing nutjobs no different in thought than run away abortions like @Vizany. If I'm being completely honest, a significant part of the "hostility" you've received from me, stems from the idea that a clear, multi-ethnic person of color would prostrate himself in front of those that would see him disenfranchised or dead.

Starting to sound like a real ethnobolshevist here. Big think

[Raver]

Well first of all, socialism doesn't have to accomplished by a complete eating of the rich at the start. First step is for a socialist party to take power of the state, preferably through democratic means if possible. It is expected that will be some insurrection from right-wing nutjobs at the start so they must be dealt with first until things become stable. Then after that you begin to incrementally nationalize portions of the economy, starting with the biggest and most important ones like communication services and banks and then work your way down to smaller private companies. With the acquired resources taken from private enterprise the state will begin providing more social services like public transportation, scientific research, advanced education and advanced healthcare, which all help people as well as boost the economy in the long term. Wages will set at reason levels by the state instead of the free market so you won't see some people make billions while others get scraps. When socialism is achieved national projects will actually be able to be planned effectively and people lives will be able to be gradually and steadily bettered, as opposed to our haphazard and stagnate capitalist system we live in now.

For the record, while I don't think any kind of socialism will work including your proposed democratic socialism because it's bound to be corrupted by a privileged elite in a worse way than capitalism is and it results in most just being poor and destitute. Regardless, I still respect these kind of far leftist views because they are well meaning and seek to help the lower and middle class. I consider myself a social democrat aka the nordic model in that I think capitalism needs to remain, but introduce socialist aspects to it in the sense of universal health care, free college, advanced welfare. To a lot of right wingers, economically I am far left, but socially I am far right to a lot of left wingers because of my views on immigration.

I think there's some resentment that some established (i.e. having lived in the USA for multiple generations) Hispanic Americans might feel toward more recent immigrants. A sense that they haven't "earned their dues". Not that I agree with this line of thinking, but I've noticed it on occasion with people I've known whose families have already been in the US for at least a few decades.

I'm a Canadian though so this does not apply to me. We have a lot of Chinese and Indian immigrants who are actually integrating quite well into my country. I'd like to see reduced numbers though like many of my fellow Canadians to encourage integration. 2nd or at the latest 3rd generation immigrant children do integrate well into the country, it's the 1st generation immigrants that fail to integrate into my country ime.

1.) How the fuck do you know that "it" will change? I don't give a fuck about "it" being a teenager--there are plenty of non-trash teenagers and so that excuse won't cut it; I'm only tepidly interested in what "it" does now, and for right now, it's a cephalic dumpster baby and will be regarded as such.

2.) Whatever cotton-brained fuckwits told you that I've posted my pic on here before are even more dimwitted than you because I'd never do that. I talk way too much shit to be that stupid. lol But I did post a pic of my father to be VI'd, who was half ethnic Swede/half Brazilian (Cafuzo). My mother is an ethnic Scandinavian and Swedish national. Why the fuck would I feel the need to beat around the bush? In multiple places, I've said that I'm mixed race, proudly so. And for those capable of reading, I said that I was a Viking-Mandingo hybrid, which does not necessarily denote a half and half mixture. The only thing you need to know is that I'm big, blonde, blue and bronzed and still feel compelled to fight for people I don't phenotypically resemble, though we are genetically connected. Unlike you, I don't twerk for Neo-Nazis and those who wouldn't let my ass into the country if they had their way.

1. The way you view the far right as being sub-human is kind of frightening to be honest. Even though the far left disturb me in their behavior, I wouldn't ever relegate them to sub-human status, I'd want them to change their views and shift them towards the center left. The same goes for the far right as well to have them shift over to the center right. Anyways, I believe anyone's views can change at any age, it is not set in stone.

2. Lol, relax dude, I was just curious. I brought up your ethnicity because you kept bringing up mine so I thought it was fair game. I guess you can't handle the taste of your own medicine, lol. So it looks like you posted your dad's photo then, but whatever since I didn't see it myself. Alright, your 3/4 Swedish and a 1/4 Brazilian (which are mixed to begin with), that's pretty cool man. Anyways, it seems like you are obsessed with ethnicity and race more than me. In terms of immigration into my country I don't care about ethnicity, I care about reducing immigration numbers. I just find it amusing that this stance on immigration means I support neo-nazis and I'm alt-right. Anyways, if we are going by caricatures then I'm half mafia/half cartel so I guess that makes me more threatening then your viking-mandingo mixture.

[Starvish]

. Anyways, I believe anyone's views can change at any age, it is not set in stone.

People are pretty malleable, I agree. My views changed on certain topics pretty dramatically compared to just a year ago.

[Muddy]

For the record, while I don't think any kind of socialism will work including your proposed democratic socialism because it's bound to be corrupted by a privileged elite in a worse way than capitalism is and it results in most just being poor and destitute. Regardless, I still respect these kind of far leftist views because they are well meaning and seek to help the lower and middle class. I consider myself a social democrat aka the nordic model in that I think capitalism needs to remain, but introduce socialist aspects to it in the sense of universal health care, free college, advanced welfare. To a lot of right wingers, economically I am far left, but socially I am far right to a lot of left wingers because of my views on immigration.

Social democracy is only feasible in Europe because of the profits companies in those countries are able to extract to from the cheap labour and resources from places like Africa. Providing all those social services while still being under capitalism's inefficient distribution of goods is immensely costly and relies on exploiting places outside the given country's borders. Social democracy is fine for the places able to have it but it is not a feasible option for the whole world, nor does it fix the core issues of capitalism.

[Raver]

Social democracy is only feasible in Europe because of the profits companies in those countries are able to extract to from the cheap labour and resources from places like Africa. Providing all those social services while still being under capitalism's inefficient distribution of goods is immensely costly and relies on exploiting places outside the given country's borders. Social democracy is fine for the places able to have it but it is not a feasible option for the whole world, nor does it fix the core issues of capitalism.

Fair enough, you make a strong point. I believe social democracy can work well in any 1st world nation like it has in the nordic countries. However, I agree that it would have far less success in 3rd world nations. I acknowledge that capitalism is a flawed system, but I still support it over socialism because most of capitalism's flaws are caused by government interference. Governments created numerous laws to bolster corporations, giving numerous tax cuts to corporations and the richest people in conjunction with corporate welfare is a good part of the reason why capitalism is exploiting many people. Essentially, instead of government mitigating capitalism's worst aspects, it exacerbates it with its policies. Redistributing and reorganizing the way government influences capitalism would go a long way to improving it IMO.