Results 1 to 29 of 29

Thread: Was Ausra Augusta not ILE?

  1. #1
    jason_m's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,296
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Was Ausra Augusta not ILE?

    I'm going to give an answer: she does not VI as ILE to me - but that is all I can really say. I remember writing in the past that she does not seem ILE to me at all, but I have seen a number of cases in which someone seems a certain way in pictures, but they come off very different in person. However, I have to admit there is a possibility (not necessity) that she comes off as a different type than how she typed herself.

    In any event, discuss this issue please...

  2. #2
    Aramas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    2,263
    Mentioned
    126 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m View Post
    I'm going to give an answer: she does not VI as ILE to me - but that is all I can really say. I remember writing in the past that she does not seem ILE to me at all, but I have seen a number of cases in which someone seems a certain way in pictures, but they come off very different in person. However, I have to admit there is a possibility (not necessity) that she comes off as a different type than how she typed herself.

    In any event, discuss this issue please...
    She reminds me faintly of Richard Dawkins. VI-wise

  3. #3
    Kill4Me's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    TIM
    SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
    Posts
    2,569
    Mentioned
    263 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    ILI-Te and her VI templates were atrocious....

  4. #4
    Seed my wickedness PseudoRandomBSGenerator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Spontaneous Human Combustion
    TIM
    ILE LEVF/#unfit4lyfe
    Posts
    7,060
    Mentioned
    304 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Looks quite bit of ILE to me although she is quite stone faced in her photos. Probably because she had to deal with relations between people. Would wear anyone down when PoLR-ing life.
    MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
    Winning is for losers

     

    Sincerely yours,
    idiosyncratic type
    Life is a joke but do you have a life?

  5. #5
    Kill4Me's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    TIM
    SLE-Ti 8w7 so/sp
    Posts
    2,569
    Mentioned
    263 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    the fact she mistypes herself ILE shows just how awful her VI templates are...I mean, she comes out wrong on her own type and that's using her own VI templates. Very bad.

  6. #6
    Feeling fucking fantastic golden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Second story
    TIM
    EIE
    Posts
    3,724
    Mentioned
    250 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Uh, since she actually created Socionics, how can she be wrongly typed in it? The perception that she’s some other type is only a piece of the abundant and obvious evidence that Socionics has drifted and splintered into many divergent versions of itself.
    LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”

    Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”

    LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”

  7. #7
    jason_m's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,296
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Uh, since she actually created Socionics, how can she be wrongly typed in it? The perception that she’s some other type is only a piece of the abundant and obvious evidence that Socionics has drifted and splintered into many divergent versions of itself.
    Maybe she was more 'Ni' than 'Ne' or 'Ti' than 'Te' in the Jungian system that preceded it, and she confused which functions she actually had... I look at those pictures and I see a lot of Se. Maybe she was SeTi and didn't realize how strong-willed she was... But this is just speculation. Like Kill4Me said, those are terrible templates to use for any kind of VI... They're probably just not accurate...

  8. #8
    jason_m's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,296
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    If she was not, perhaps Socionics is fundamentally broken — in which case we have no choice but to move to personalitycafe.
    I'd post at personalitycafe even if it's not broken. I study the MBTI, the Enneagram and Socionics. I am not really attached to any system, and I'll study any of them..,

  9. #9
    Seed my wickedness PseudoRandomBSGenerator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Spontaneous Human Combustion
    TIM
    ILE LEVF/#unfit4lyfe
    Posts
    7,060
    Mentioned
    304 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    This sort of reasoning sound like it is coming from IEI head as only their own truth carries significance instead of trying to calibrate one's own own understanding to external factors which is a necessity in order of trying to handle it.


    [I generally think that IEI is generally the worst type in external calibration unless they actually start to cross reference their understanding against multiple sources which is rare.]
    MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
    Winning is for losers

     

    Sincerely yours,
    idiosyncratic type
    Life is a joke but do you have a life?

  10. #10
    FreelancePoliceman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    TIM
    LII-Ne
    Posts
    3,538
    Mentioned
    308 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m View Post
    I'd post at personalitycafe even if it's not broken. I study the MBTI, the Enneagram and Socionics. I am not really attached to any system, and I'll study any of them..,
    Well go post there man; it’s more active!
    Views and clicks make these grow.


  11. #11
    What's the purpose of SEI? Tallmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    Finland
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    3,262
    Mentioned
    253 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    This thread needs better typing material...







    In the following video she also speaks at 1:30



    Looks ILE Creative to me.

    If you want to search for more videos type "Аушра Аугустинавичюте" in youtube
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
    (Jung on Si)

  12. #12
    Hot Message FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    North Italy
    TIM
    ENTj
    Posts
    16,588
    Mentioned
    233 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    This thread needs better typing material...







    In the following video she also speaks at 1:30



    Looks ILE Creative to me.

    If you want to search for more videos type "Аушра Аугустинавичюте" in youtube
    Maritsa subtype
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    13,151
    Mentioned
    1229 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm not sure in her ILE. Old people are harder to type by VI. Among other possible is EIE.
    Jung mistaked about own type as LII, while he had ILI

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Maritsa subtype
    mb even type
    I suppose she should agree with this possibility to use in future argumentation: "Ah, dude I have the same type as Augustinavichiute. So just shut up."
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    13,151
    Mentioned
    1229 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by golden View Post
    Uh, since she actually created Socionics, how can she be wrongly typed in it?
    So the one who created, for example, a rifle can't miss by it. Nice example of irrational Fe idealism.

    She "actually" created some hypotheses - additions to Jung's types. A theory. This does not mean she was good in practical usage of Jung's typology and that new theory. She should do a lot of mistypings as anyone, some of them are seen in her actors list. Could mistake in own type too, alike Jung did and some other well-known authors.
    Also some of her hypotheses mb wrong - it needs experimental basis to be sure in other. I'm sure in some theory she was wrong. Sometimes she controverts to Jung clearly without any good basis.
    The most known her controvertion to Jung - what function is the weakest. The intersting is that not lesser popular Russian name for 4th function is "pain function" - and that is more correct, than "point of least resistance" / weakest. If you have lesser pain due to anesthesia of lesser conscious state - this does not mean there are lesser problems.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    1,024
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    ''So the one who created, for example, a rifle can't miss by it.''
    Depends what one is shooting at. The assumption that the external world must confirm the theory empirically isn't necessarily what any theory shoots for. The divergent system of Socionics separate from Ausra may see more value in this? In any case, i cannot speak for the internal consistency of her writings.

  16. #16
    jason_m's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,296
    Mentioned
    45 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Should have responded sooner: the videos tell a different story. To me, she seems incredibly ILE in them... (I was getting something like Ayn Rand from the pictures and I don't want to talk about it.)

  17. #17

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    13,151
    Mentioned
    1229 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jason_m View Post
    Should have responded sooner: the videos tell a different story. To me, she seems incredibly ILE in them... (I was getting something like Ayn Rand from the pictures and I don't want to talk about it.)
    she looks emotional
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  18. #18
    thehotelambush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    8,325
    Mentioned
    318 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    This thread needs better typing material...







    In the following video she also speaks at 1:30



    Looks ILE Creative to me.

    If you want to search for more videos type "Аушра Аугустинавичюте" in youtube
    Can anyone translate?

  19. #19

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    13,151
    Mentioned
    1229 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Can anyone translate?
    there is autotranslate option
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

  20. #20
    khcs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    2,533
    Mentioned
    41 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Aushra Augustinavichiute (The old lady on the video clip) - ENFP - Huxley




    Huxley is at the left side and Dostoevsky appears to be at the right side. How is that possible? They may not be the same person.


  21. #21
    Uncle Ave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    5,114
    Mentioned
    175 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by khcs View Post

    Huxley is at the left side and Dostoevsky appears to be at the right side. How is that possible? They may not be the same person.
    A double.
    What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?

    ~Nietzsche

  22. #22
    roger557's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Posts
    667
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Bump. Definitely not ILE. First off, she seems sensing. Also has big sensoric hands.



    Found this, where they type her LIE. I'm guessing she was ESI-Se.

  23. #23
    Seed my wickedness PseudoRandomBSGenerator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Spontaneous Human Combustion
    TIM
    ILE LEVF/#unfit4lyfe
    Posts
    7,060
    Mentioned
    304 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by roger557 View Post
    Bump. Definitely not ILE. First off, she seems sensing. Also has big sensoric hands.
    So, a rabbit is a kind of marsupial because a rabbit has legs like a kangaroo?
    MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
    Winning is for losers

     

    Sincerely yours,
    idiosyncratic type
    Life is a joke but do you have a life?

  24. #24
    Marep's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2019
    TIM
    EII Sx/Sp 9w1 (954)
    Posts
    540
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Probably SLE

  25. #25
    roger557's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Posts
    667
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Yeah, SLE-Ti is another option.

  26. #26
    CR400AF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Earth
    TIM
    LII 5w6-1w9-2w1
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I am not familiar with VI but I don't find anything against ILE.

    But I think she should be ILE because it's very obvious that she is the mirror type of Jung. The relationship between she and JUng is a relationship of mutual corrections. Jung is obviously LII. So I type her ILE. Her theoretical creation is also of the style of ILE: She understands and deciphers Jung's Ne-Creative concepts, and creates a better systematic structure with her Ti-Creative.

  27. #27
    CR400AF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Earth
    TIM
    LII 5w6-1w9-2w1
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by roger557 View Post
    Yeah, SLE-Ti is another option.
    Her descriptions of Ne is very good. Although her definitions and examples for Se are correct, they are not as good as her Ne analogies.

    I don't see any reason to question Jung's and Aushra's self-typings. They both have superb understanding of the elements and functions. Their self-typings seem to be very valid for me.

  28. #28
    I'm a tourist in the land of my own being Megatrop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Location
    Cosmos
    TIM
    IEE-NeFe-San1Phleg2
    Posts
    700
    Mentioned
    50 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    She's ILE -> NeTe. And yes, Socionics is fundamentally wrong
    self-discovery
    self-development
    optimism
    relationships
    communication
    high ideals

  29. #29
    CR400AF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Earth
    TIM
    LII 5w6-1w9-2w1
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    She's ILE -> NeTe. And yes, Socionics is fundamentally wrong
    In Model A, ILE has 4D unvalued Te. That's quite correct, she values Ti and creates Ti systems.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •