Democratic Presidential Debate

[Singu]

Unless I am interpreting the statistics incorrectly. Close to a third of Swedes are currently half Swedish or less or 24.1% of Swedes if you want to only count those that are not Swedish at all. If 8.1% of Swedes are currently Muslim then that means non-Muslim non-native Swedes are 2 to 3 times larger than Muslim native Swedes.

Seems like this is the basic breakdown:

Ethnic Groups in Sweden:

86% European (76% Swedes and 10% Rest)
7% Middle East & North Africa (3% Arabs and 4% Others/Turks, Kurds and Persians…)
2.5% Sub Saharan Africa (Mainly from Horn of Africa.)
1.5% Asian
2% Are Others (Mainly MultiRacial, Americas and Oceania)

You're imagining that Sweden is swamped by Arabs and Muslim foreigners, because again, you're likely taking your sources from biased right-wing sources.

[Raver]

I tried to find more official sources but couldn't understand Swedish, so I had to rely on Wikipedia. Below is the list of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to Sweden born abroad or with two parents born abroad:


* Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Former Yugoslavia (176 033)
* Syria Syria (172,258)
* Finland Finland (150,887)
* Iraq Iraq (144 035)
* Poland Poland (92 759)
* Iran Iran (77 386)
* Somalia Somalia (68 678)
* Germany Germany (50,863)
* Turkey Turkey (49 948)
* Afghanistan Afghanistan (43,991)
* Thailand Thailand (41,240)
* Eritrea Eritrea (42 300)
* Norway Norway (41 747)
* Denmark Denmark (40 011)
* India India (35 234)
* China China (33 288)
* Romania Romania (31 040)
* Chile Chile (27,996)
* United Kingdom United Kingdom (27,658)
* Lebanon Lebanon (27,487)


I bolded the origin countries of Swedish residents that aren't majority Muslim. I underlined the ones that are already in Europe, most of which are already part of the EU and have open border arrangements with Sweden. The non-European demographic threat seems quite exaggerated if this data is correct.

Yeah, this seems legit. I used wikipedia as well. That's where I got this from:

As of 2017, Statistics Sweden reported that around 2,439,007 or 24.1% of the inhabitants of Sweden were from a foreign background: that is, each such person either had been born abroad or had been born in Sweden to two parents who themselves had both been born abroad. Also taking into account people with only one parent born abroad, this number increases to almost a third in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...n#Demographics

I guess a good percentage of non-Swedes are actually European so the number of Muslim/African migrants in Sweden is much lower than that statistic showed. I failed to take into consideration that a lot of Swedish immigrants are from Europe. So going by Singu's numbers, it is 14% non-European currently, but at the rate of mass immigration, it will eventually reach over 50% in this century making native Swedes a minority in their own country even if you ignore other Europeans.

Seems like this is the basic breakdown:

Ethnic Groups in Sweden:

86% European (76% Swedes and 10% Rest)
7% Middle East & North Africa (3% Arabs and 4% Others/Turks, Kurds and Persians…)
2.5% Sub Saharan Africa (Mainly from Horn of Africa.)
1.5% Asian
2% Are Others (Mainly MultiRacial, Americas and Oceania)

You're imagining that Sweden is swamped by Arabs and Muslim foreigners, because again, you're likely taking your sources from biased right-wing sources.

Wikipedia is a biased right wing source?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...n#Demographics

Anyways, the percentages I used counted European immigrants, which is why the number was so high. Anyways, 14% is not alarming of course, but at current mass immigration into Sweden rates it will eventually overcome Sweden's native population at over 50% making them a minority in their own country even when ignoring European immigrants.

[Singu]

Anyways, the percentages I used counted European immigrants, which is why the number was so high. Anyways, 14% is not alarming of course, but at current mass immigration into Sweden rates it will eventually overcome Sweden's native population at over 50% making them a minority in their own country even when ignoring European immigrants.

Well most Swedes don't care about immigrants and what race or ethnicity they are, so why do you care? If they wanted, they could simply stop immigrants from immigrating.

[Raver]

Well most Swedes don't care about immigrants and what race or ethnicity they are, so why do you care? If they wanted, they could simply stop immigrants from immigrating.

You're making assumptions on what Swedes believe and how much power they have. A lot of Swedes do care based on the ones I've talked to. It's the politicians that don't care and are making decisions for them. Sure, you can vote them out in theory, but if 51% vote for a pro immigrant party and 49% vote for an anti-immigrant party then that means 49% of Swedes are left disenfranchised. Especially, if a portion of the 51% are recent immigrants and are more likely to vote for a pro immigrant party.