LII-EII Business/Look-alike relations (INTj & INFj)

[BabelFish]

One of my close friends is an LII. I like him a lot, we both can empathize with each other, particularly in how we are attracted to others.
However, we clash in some important aspects. To him, people and morals is a very Ti realm, thus he puts a lot of people in boxes because of attitudes he views as "strictly" immoral, under his own, subjective perception; this however is enforced in a very Ti-absolutist way. He sees me as too much of an optimist regarding people. I see him as blinded by his own notions and "logic."
Still we get each other, and talking to him about philosophy is very fun. However I prefer philosophy that can be applied (such as ethical philosophy) whereas he is much more into esoteric, metaphysical stuff. Hegel and the like, and so forth.
It is always intellectually interesting conversations for me, but I have gotten very annoyed by how he treats people, or rather, how he expects people to be.
I guess this account is highly personal, but hey.

[Rebelondeck]

.......he puts a lot of people in boxes because of attitudes he views as "strictly" immoral, under his own, subjective perception..........He sees me as too much of an optimist regarding people. I see him as blinded by his own notions and "logic."
.........whereas he is much more into esoteric, metaphysical stuff.......... but I have gotten very annoyed by how he treats people, or rather, how he expects people to be.......

Your LII seems somewhat atypical. Normal LIIs tend to be objective about everything and everybody including themselves although blindness to things around them is often applicable; if you mean esoteric in a terse way then I would agree but a true belief in the metaphysical would seem odd (but not for an EII). Many LIIs tend to naively expect perfection from people but to treat people poorly points to other issues........

a.k.a. I/O

[Still Alive]

Your LII seems somewhat atypical. Normal LIIs tend to be objective about everything and everybody including themselves although blindness to things around them is often applicable; if you mean esoteric in a terse way then I would agree but a true belief in the metaphysical would seem odd (but not for an EII). Many LIIs tend to naively expect perfection from people but to treat people poorly points to other issues........

a.k.a. I/O

I think this LII is an ILI. Ni is usually interested in otherworldly and esoteric things. viewing something as immoral seems Fi valuing to me.

[Rebelondeck]

I think this LII is an ILI......

I tend to agree. ILIs often play silly-bugger feigning blindness for argument sake and many have tunnel vision refusing to acknowledge the perspectives of others especially those of an EII......

a.k.a. I/O

[BabelFish]

I think this LII is an ILI. Ni is usually interested in otherworldly and esoteric things. viewing something as immoral seems Fi valuing to me.

Hmm, you might be right. You and I/O have raised interesting points here. But I still have a hard time seeing gamma values on this particular friend. He seems really receptive of FeSi rather than Se or Fi.... So that's why I go with LII for him. But I will reconsider and analyze his behavior whilst considering this perspective form now on. His attitudes also differ greatly from other gamma NT friends (I am very close to an LIE)

Still, I must say I think his interest in the esoteric has a certain Ti kind of focus rather than a Ni one, I think he wants to make sense of the world by categorizing it, incorporating that into a system of logic.
That's what I get from him, anyway.

Also some aspects of morality, specially rule-based morality, is a very Ti area. Think of Kant and his categorical imperative. His principles don't show Fi at all, just trying to make a system out of moral categories (Ti)