What animes have LIE's as the star of the show? And preferably try not to pick ones that are too weird.
What animes have LIE's as the star of the show? And preferably try not to pick ones that are too weird.
Light Yagami of Death Note is my personal favorite.
Lelouch from code geas might be one, ohh and maybe Aizen from bleach (not the main guy but whatever).
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Completely agreed regarding Lelouch from Code Geass; although characters like him tend to suffer from "good at whatever the plot needs right now" disease, I think in typical situations he exhibits very strong Ni/Te vibe.
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My life experiences may be tainted by living with an LII and an ILI I lovingly call Satan.
Now that I think on it, FMA was pretty darn gamma. Not sure on who was the LIE on the protag side there. Mustang is a strong candidate, but Edward is also a strong case. Can't really nail down Al's type though. I sympathized with him the hardest, but I can't quite tell ya why. Though that scene with Lust really resonated with me hardcore. Dude did what I hope I'd do in that situation. Man, that's some good storytelling. If only current Hollywood could even grasp 50 percent of that...
They won't of course, given as they are all fucking death cultists who hate people like me who just want a good story full stop. But hey, at least they're all about to go just as broke as they see themselves as "woke".
Asking which anime's have LIE's as the antagonists would be a much easier question to answer
Very, very true.
I actually thought of this myself upon first reading the thread, but I wanted to see if there were any LIE protagonists in anime without diverting attention from the question.
Seems not. At least, not for sure.
Someday, someday, we’ll get credit for something other than inventing Banks, interest charges, and mortgage backed securities.
Hmmm. Guess if we want a better rep, we should try being better people.
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"Better" by what metric? IMO, that metric should be defined by the extent to which LIEs (or any other sociotype, for that matter) fulfill our ego functions, first and foremost. If we were meant to be "good" at "people" stuff, we'd be EIEs. We're "good" and contribute to society/humanity/our species in our own niche way (or else we would not exist)--whether we are readily appreciated for that or not is another matter. It's a bit unfair/unreasonable to (generally) hold ourselves to lofty moralistic standards and concerns that may contradict our prime directives--there are many unpleasant chores attached to "living" that must be done, though they may not readily "feel good" to those who benefit. Ultimately, I'm not that concerned with being "liked" and "loved" and I refuse to let that motivate my behavior; I'd rather be perceived as a nasty bastard who is, at the very least, respected and called upon for his effectiveness than being widely seen as a nice person, though objectively "useless."
Well, I hate to say it but us Gamma's do make for some darn good villains/anti-heroes. Hopefully somebody will pen a story that reverses this unfortunate fact and brings to the fore the qualities that are most epic and heroic about my quadra. All it takes is one famous/infamous story that the general public learns of somehow to affect a major cultural shift.
For instance, people used to name their girls "Lolita" with some frequency. They don't do that anymore. Why? That one pervert and that book he wrote. That's it really. Just one story told by some random mofo and boom, nobody dares use that name for their offspring again. Even I wouldn't, because defiance for defiance's sake feels a bit too much like I'm imitating Lucifer...
Gamma SFs tend to be heroes quite often, especially in anime, it's primarily the NTs that are made into villains (though SEE's seem to be very common as both heroes and villains). I'd say LIE's tend to rival EIE's for the major super villain/big baddie type characters, at least the most interesting one's that immediately come to mind when you think of a good villain (something about creative Ni and activating Se makes one want to rule the world/leave their mark in a story). And when I think antihero, I think Beta STs. On a side note, does anyone ever see Delta STs or Alpha SFs as major villains? Like minor sure, especially for LSE's but major? Can't think of any at all. An SEI for a major antagonist just sounds wrong.
On a further side note, Lolita is an amazing novel, cried real baby tears at that ending. Plus the prose is simply beautiful, excluding the story.
Oh I intend to read it sometime. Kinda thinking of becoming a reviewer of fiction recently. Key part of that is enduring trash/shit so that others don't have to. So, if anyone has an idea as to what fiction of any type would prompt me to the deliver a most entertaining critical or enraged rant in your eyes let me know. Because, again, I'm willing to suffer so that you, random strangers (here and everywhere), don't have to. Plus hey, who knows, maybe I make a viral something and become famous enough to finally attain "fuck you" money .
In authors’ defence, Gammas are ruthless and goal-oriented. Betas are pretty ruthless and goal-oriented too, but Betas are very good at getting people to join their side and care about people joining their side; they like and need this validation for their movement. Gammas on the other hand will not go through the process of gathering forces unless it is absolutely necessary. Even when it is necessary, we believe our internal values (Fi) trump valuations of societal values (Fe) and rules (Ti) so we can be a bit underhanded. Not because we are evil, but because we truly believe the end (Fi) justifies our pragmatic means (Te). We might move our forces around like pawns (ESFp using their Fe to gain support or Gamma NT seeing the forces as chess pieces) , betray allies when they are no longer useful (ISFj: “They were never with us, so why fake sentiments when there is a bigger goal at hand”), break the law or use loopholes to get the upperhand (Gamma NT understand society’s rules (though don’t care about them) and use that to our advantage), etc. It is very hard to paint this approach to life in a good light.
A good Gamma leader, though pragmatically uses their forces, actually cares about them. The only reason they would use forces in a cold manner is because they believe that this way will lead to less of them (their forces) getting hurt (Ni-Te planning). A good Gamma leader will be volitional (Se), but will have genuine concern for their people’s worries and not forget the values they championed to get their title (Fi). This leader will rarely ever be rovolted against as most revolutions are due to strict adherences “bad” societal rules (Ti, “unfair” hierarchies). If there is a revolt on the account of cold methods: 1. It would be most likely be small due to strong loyalty because they (Gamma leaders) don’t “brainwash” their followers (Fe), but just put our ideas out there (Te) and followers came naturally. 2. Those same cool methods will destroy any spark of a revolution.
A good example of this type of leader is Otto Van Bismarck, the Iron Chancellor of Germany and an ENTj.
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Ah, a fellow fan of the Iron Chancellor @Investigator. Too bad nobody heeded his warnings about that damned fool thing in the Balkans, especially that idiot Kaiser Wilhelm II. I'd bet money he was an Alpha. Firing from the hip on that one so I'm also curious to see if I'm calling it on a lark .
Having just said that I think I heard of an anime that was basically Fantasy WWI a few months back. Isekai trash I believe but if it followed through on that basic concept despite that negative point I'd give it a chance.
I have a hard time telling apart LIE inventors from ILEs, like Senku, or Mei Hatsume.
You get this vibe from them that they're very focused on "building their brand" but I don't know if that's enough.
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some "mad scientists" can be supposed
@Adam Strange, do you think Chara from Undertale was LIE?
I really have no idea. I never played that game, and I believe it is next to impossible to type anime characters unless the writers know Socionics and the characters have some scope to display the characteristics of their types.
I think Hans Gruber in Die Hard was LIE because he displayed many of the characteristics of LIEs, but he was an antagonist, not a protagonist, and Die Hard is not an anime.
Erwin Smith (Attack on Titan). Thought him LSE long ago, but this was wrong.
While not 'the' show's protagonist, he's worthy of mention.
Too stoically serious. Affinity for strategic gambles. Prioritizes theoretical maneuvers over established practices.
I figure Levi Ackerman for SLI. While unwaveringly loyal to Smith given their history, he's often critical of his decisions—seeing them as too risky, etc. They don't seem like Mirrors at all.
IF someone didn't already say, the guy in Berserk is an LIE.
Picard from Star Trek always seemed LIE to me as well, @Dalek Caan.
Agreed.his ethical speeches, relatively easy-going nature, and acceptance of diversity reminds me of ENTjs
I've seen people type Picard as LSI and ESE...but to me he can only be LIE.
I think Kirk from the original series seems like the LSI.
Wasn't this supposed to be about anime?...Oh well.
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Did anybody say Berzerk already. I heard the main char is a good example of LIE.
Terrible CG, especially when you compare it to the work done by Ufotable in "Kara no Kyoukai" and "Kimetsu no Yaiba" (Tanjiro might be a consummate SEE now that I think about it, dude's pretty gamma IMO). Or in "Houseki no Kuni" where I could only tell because I know how it tends to work. They could have done so much better.
Not a bad manga to get into though and will agree that Guts is almost certainly a Gamma. Artwork there is superb as well. Hope the creator manages to complete the story before they die though. There's legit reasons to worry about that happening...
Senku from the science shounen Dr. Stone?
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I have not watched any of stuff where Erwin Smith is but just by reading about his appearance and character it is hard not to think LSI. It is like perfect fit in abstract.
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