Famous People and Celebrity Benchmarks

[Rocky]

Since I found this, I wanted to post it here. These are some of the celebrities I found typed at BrainTypes.com. I'll post my opinion on the types of other celebrities later. This is just to get it started:

World/News/Politics:

Marlon Brando - ENTP
Ashley Smith - ENTP
David Letterman -ENTP
Michael Jackson -INFP
Martin Luther King Jr -ENTJ
Jamie Foxx - ENTP
Leonardo DiCaprio -ENTP
Donald Trump - ENTJ
Katie Couric - ENTJ
Chevy Chase -ENTP
Martha Stewart -ENTJ
Snoop Dogg - ENTP
Eminem - ENTP
Bill Cosby - ENTP
Vladmir Putin - ENTP
Bill Clinton - ENTJ
Bob Dole - ESTJ
Al Franken - ENTP
Teresa Kerry - ENTP
Nancy Reagan - ENFJ
Laura Bush - ENFJ
Will Smith - ENTP
Arnold Schwarzennegar - ESTP
Lance Armstrong - ENTP
Dick Cheney - ENTJ
John Edwards - ENTP
Michael Moore - ENTP
Britney Spears - ESFP
Bill Gates - ENTP
Ray Charles - ENTP
Madonna - ESTP
Jennifer Lopez - ESFP
Tom Hanks - ENTP
Condoleezza Rice - ENTP
Ted Kennedy - ENTP
Howard Stern - ENTP
Billy Crystal - ENTP
Janet Jackson - ISFP
Justin Timberlake - ENTP
James Brown - ESTP
Mel Gibson - ENTP
Tony Blair - ENTP
John Kerry - ENTP
Howard Dean - ENTJ

Sports:

Jose Conseco - ESTP
Mark McGwuire -ISFP
Sammy Sosa - ENFP
Rafael Palmeiro -ENTP
Curt Schilling - ENTP
Frank Thomas - ESFP
Roberto Alomar - ESFP
Tiger Woods - INFP
Emmitt Smith (Cowboys) -ESFP
Peyton Manning (Colts) - ESTP
Michael Vick (Ravens) - ESTP
Scottie Pippen - ISFP
Lebron James - ESFP
Vince Carter - ENTP
Shaquille O' Neal - ISTP
Kobe Bryant - ISFP
Tracy McGrady - ISTP
Tim Duncan - ISFP
Kevin Garnett - ENFP
Yao Ming - ENFP
Stan Van Gundy: ENTP
Roger Clemens - ISTP
Buck Showalter - ENTJ
Bobby Cox - ENTP
Dave Wannstedt - ESTP
Bill Parcells - ESTP
Jason Varitek - ENTP
Kevin Millar - ENTP
Albert Pujols - ESFP
Mark Bellhorn - ENTP
Tony Womack - ENTP
Edgar Renteria - ESTP
Bill Mueller - ENTP
Scott Rolen - ISTP
Manny Ramirez – ESFP
Johnny Damon - ENTP
Jim Edmonds - ENTP
Trot Nixon - ENTP
Larry Walker - ESFP
David Ortiz - ESFP
Pedro Martinez - ESTP
Tim Wakefield - ISFP
Keith Foulke - ENTP
Mike Timlin – ENTP
Derek Lowe - ESTP
Terry Francona - ENTP
Adrian Beltre - ESFP
Jason Giambi - ENTP
Mike Tyson - ISTP
Randy Johnson - INTJ
Sean Casey - ENTP
Pudge Rodriguez -ESFP
Alex Rodriguez - ESTP
Alfonso Soriano - ENFP

[MysticSonic]

Holy shit that's a lot of ENTps.

[Jockl]

Holy shit that's a lot of ENTps.

Yeah, I know the site also and think its a bit strange that nearly the half of their celebreties are ENTPs. So are the authors fans of this type or can they recoginze ENTPs more easily than other types ?

[Rocky]

So are the authors fans of this type or can they recoginze ENTPs more easily than other types ?

Well, the head-honcho is an ISTJ, so I don't know if that means he loves or hates ENTPs. But have you ever thought that maybe ENTPs are more likely to make it in the headlines?

[Transigent]

Edited for gayness.

[Rocky]

Oh, and there is probably no way for you to "self determine" brain type other than comparing your body structure and movements to known atheletes.

BrainTypes isn't ONLY body movements. Body movements is just another way to determine your type. This is not what BrainTypes is all about, but it's another layer on top of those "core beliefs". I know BrainTypes also doesn't like MBTI in that it is about how you act. They like to go deeper like the way socionics goes deeper.

[Creepy-]

Brain Types is how your brain is wired.

If that's the case then how can he mistype. He self-admittedly has been wrong at times. And even a few celebrities who have been tested had results that didn't line up with what he said.

So I think that he is seeing something, but not necessarily "type".

[Creepy-bill]

That list is crap

[Cone]

Funny how 95% of the list is extraverted and there are no INFjs, INTps, ISFjs, or ESFjs.

[Rocky]

Brain Types is how your brain is wired.

If that's the case then how can he mistype. He self-admittedly has been wrong at times. And even a few celebrities who have been tested had results that didn't line up with what he said.

So I think that he is seeing something, but not necessarily "type".

I heard somewhere that he was right 99% of the time. As for the brain part, most of the people he types from afar, he doesn't test their brains. He uses everything from the way people look, they talk and their body movements to type people, but he doesn't hook them all up to a machine.

[Rocky]

Funny how 95% of the list is extraverted and there are no INFjs, INTps, ISFjs, or ESFjs.

INTP...

Thursday, December 2, 2004

Einstein Fired!
Do you recall Albert Einstein having been fired? Well, he did have his critics, and many thought he was nuts at times. As a boy, some even regarded him as retarded (even among his own family!). Yet this Einstein turned out to be considered by many as the greatest thinker of the past few centuries.

Not only is BTI saddened that Einstein’s critics didn’t understand him or his Brain Type (BT), we’re also saddened that a modern day Einstein was just fired this week. Possessing the most brilliant BT (regarding conceptual logic), Tyrone Willingham, head football coach at Notre Dame, was asked to look for employment elsewhere. When Willingham was hired by the Fighting Irish 3 years ago, BTI wrote an article for this site notifying the public of his cerebral uniqueness—particularly in the coaching industry. Not only did we not know of any other BCIR – INTP in college or pro coaching at the time, we have yet to find another.

Einstein brains are best suited off the field rather than on—physically and mentally. Their conceptual rather than spatial, tangible, here-and-now logic is not as adept at tactical, logistical moves. All 4 conceptual thinking BTs (the NTs or CIs) are better in long-term strategies than short-term tactics. Despite this, however, Willingham and his coaching staff (including many different BTs) appeared—overall—competent in their coaching efforts.

What BTI liked most about coach Willingham was that he appeared a man of great principle (like other BCIRs) and integrity. He must have been a character-building model to his players like few other coaches ever have displayed. The way he handled himself on the sidelines and at press conferences was outstanding. In fact, try to hear his last press interview on TV or radio today—Thursday. It is taped from yesterday’s media appearance.

BTI has never heard a more gracious, intelligent, and not passing-blame-to-the-school (which he could have) interview. If only all sports participants (coaches and players!) could carefully study how Tyrone Willingham handled himself this week. He is basically the antithesis of the modern sports movement. Whoever hires coach Willingham next will be getting a quality man, who also happens to be gifted between the ears like few others.

[Transigent]

Edited for gayness.

[Creepy-BS]

That is INTj under socionics (reverse the last letter for introverts, remember?) and socionics types him as ENTp instead.

What is this amatuer hour? stup posting this crap. You will confuse people who come hear with a blank slate. People who could benefit from gaining a real understanding of socionics.

[Creepy-BS]

That is INTj under socionics (reverse the last letter for introverts, remember?) and socionics types him as ENTp instead.

What is this amatuer hour? stup posting this crap. You will confuse people who come hear with a blank slate. People who could benefit from gaining a real understanding of socionics.

[olduser]

like i'd take orders from such an amatuer poster!

[Rocky]

That is INTj under socionics (reverse the last letter for introverts, remember?) and socionics types him as ENTp instead.

No, you don't always reverse the last letter, it's not a set-in-stone rule. The diffrences are more complicated than that. Also, this is not MBTI. You say socionics types him as ENTP, but who typed him? Where did you see that?

I want to get back on track with celebrities, so:

Brad Pitt- ENTP
Jerry Seinfeld- ENTJ
Larry David- INTP
Keanu Reeves- ENFP
Woody Allen- INTP (maybe ENTP)
Johnny Depp- ENTP
Muhammad Ali- ISTP
Thomas Edison- ISTJ
Albert Einstein- INTP
Kurt Cobain- INFP
John Travolta- ENTP

[SportsFan]

Pedro Martinez - ESTP

Seeing this one made me question my type .

Britney Spears - ESFP

I could've sworn she was ISFP, but maybe she just seems like that because she's an ethical subtype?

Roger Clemens - ISTP

I originally said ESTJ for him, but I can see how he can be an ISTP, too. They can be similar.

Other than that, I don't have any problems.

[Rocky]

and hey, who cares about britney spears? start your own friggin discussion.

Fair enough.

Quote:
Britney Spears is an ESFP-ethical


http://www.typelogic.com/isfp.html .....says Brittany Spears is an ISFP

I don't trust that site. For one, It is MBTI. One reason they are often bad at typing is that they don't fully understand the types, none the less the subtypes. Please, go through the names on that site and you will see what I'm talking about. Britney Spears is an ESFP with an ethical subtype. The ethical subtypes don't come off as what you would typically think as ESFP. That's why people who ignore subtypes can get confused with the types.

And if you want to play the "she was typed .... here" game, then she was typed as an ESFP here by people who fully understand are hired to type celebrities/athletes.

[Rocky]

Something made me think of this-

Erik Clapton- ENTp
Van Hallen- INFp
Elvis- ESFp
Bob Dylan- INTp (Rob Stoner told me, "You know, that guy just has something special upstairs")

[Jonathan]

I know some of them have been discussed; I'd be curious how people here would group them. If you have opinions about more than one of these people (especially the first few...or all of them) that would be most interesting...

Dick Cheney
Woody Allen
John Nash (as portrayed in "Beautiful Mind")
George Orwell
JM Barrie (as portrayed in "Finding Neverland")
Alexander Borodin (Russian classical composer and chemist)
Orsen Welles
William F. Buckley (conservative commentator)
C. S. Lewis
Noam Chomsky

[FDG]

Chomsky INTj

[Phaedrus]

Chomsky INTj

Agreed. Very likely I would say.

I don't know enough about the others to have any clear opinion of their types, but I remember saying to myself when I saw Finding Neverland that JM Berry must have been a - dominant type. Probably INFp, but I can't say for sure that he was not INTp.

[Jonathan]

Chomsky INTj

Something about his dramatic flair made me think ENTp, but I could accept INTj too. What makes you think INTj over ENTp?

[aestrivex]

dick cheney - ISTj
woody allen- i dunno but i've seen a lot of references to allen as INTp.

[Park]

Woody Allen perfectly reflects my perception of an INTp.

John Nash (as portrayed in "Beautiful Mind")

Everything I know about John Nash comes from "Beautiful Mind" and it's very hard to judge by the way he is portrayed in it. Crowe's acting seems very unnatural and forced thru the whole movie which makes it a little repulsive for me to watch.

[Rocky]

I know some of them have been discussed; I'd be curious how people here would group them. If you have opinions about more than one of these people (especially the first few...or all of them) that would be most interesting...

Dick - ENTJ
Woody Allen- ENTP
John Nash (as portrayed in "Beautiful Mind")- INTP
George Orwell
JM Barrie (as portrayed in "Finding Neverland")
Alexander Borodin (Russian classical composer and chemist)
Orsen Welles
William F. Buckley (conservative commentator)
C. S. Lewis- INTP
Noam Chomsky

[Jonathan]

Why ENTp for Woody Allen? Is he too zany not to be ENTp? Most people around here see him as INTp...

[science as magic]

orson welles. perhaps estj? he gets pissed rather easily though. he rather reminds me of fraiser krane in an odd way. "yes, always" is a classic by the way

[Rocky]

Why ENTp for Woody Allen? Is he too zany not to be ENTp? Most people around here see him as INTp...

Pretty much, I don't know why people consider him INTP. Actually, I think it's because most people think that in reality he's this really neurotic guy, but that's just the kind of characters he plays in movies, and he's supposed to be very different from that in person. I've heard that his real personality is so different from his movie personality that if he ever acted like himself in the movies it would be a huge turn off to his fans. Plus, this guy is just good at being goofy and making fun of himself.

[Jonathan]

orson welles. perhaps estj? he gets pissed rather easily though. he rather reminds me of fraiser krane in an odd way. "yes, always" is a classic by the way

Why ESTj? He always seemed the quintessential N type to me....but maybe I just don't know what ESTjs are like....

[science as magic]

well he was far far too active for one. always busy. he was sort of like beethoven in terms of having a prodigious amount of output in his early years. his perfectionism and temper also remind me of certain estjs.

[Jonathan]

well he was far far too active for one. always busy. he was sort of like beethoven in terms of having a prodigious amount of output in his early years. his perfectionism and temper also remind me of certain estjs.

Aren't some N types very active though, at least in the realm of ideas? I've known people who are clear ENTps that seem to be doing a lot of things.

By the way, what type do you think Beethoven was?

[science as magic]

i have no clue really. my original thought was mostly a shot in the dark (thus the question mark).

[Park]

By the way, what type do you think Beethoven was?

ENFj?

[olduser]

Pretty much, I don't know why people consider him INTP. Actually, I think it's because most people think that in reality he's this really neurotic guy, but that's just the kind of characters he plays in movies, and he's supposed to be very different from that in person. I've heard that his real personality is so different from his movie personality that if he ever acted like himself in the movies it would be a huge turn off to his fans. Plus, this guy is just good at being goofy and making fun of himself.

I thought he was gamma because his more serious movies always deal with family and society types. Also he has several movies themed about 'moving up in the world.' I associate that with beta/gamma generally. But his comedies do remind me of the alpha quadra. I think he's an INTP. God, i feel like a fanboy. I really like woody allen..

We need to stop thinking of the INTp as humorless.

[FDG]

What about Joshep Sitglitz? (if you know who he is)

my counterintuitive guess is ENFp

[Expat]

I now who Stiglitz is, and I think he's anyway a ego type, very possible ENFp indeed. But perhaps even ISFj *shrugs* all I see in him is .

Orson Welles could well be ESTj, high on Negativism (which I am inclined to call Perfectionism) and with over-active hidden agenda.

[Expat]

And I agree with Rocky that Dick Cheney is probably .

[Polly]

I can't say I really relate to Woody Allen. I would say INTp as well..maybe with a strong feeling preference?

[Kristiina]

lol, Jonathan, you call these people famous? :wink:

John Nash seemed NT to me Possibly alpha NT. ENTp is a possibility. Either that or INTp.