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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    So you'd be OK with someone getting up close and personal with you? Have you been in many fistfights?

    Just because you disagree with a person doesn't mean that you can't learn from them.
    You have a lot of self restraint letting someone burn your mom like that. I commend you on taking the high road.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You have a lot of self restraint letting someone burn your mom like that. I commend you on taking the high road.

    Beautiful sky was factually correct in (what I assume to be) her assessment of my mother. My mother was smart and we related on a Te-level, but she had some personal problems unrelated to type, although it is hard for me to viscerally separate that out, since it was embedded before I had the tools to understand what was happening.
    I didn't have to exercise any restrain whatsoever, since I didn't feel offended in the slightest by her assessment.

    I'm more concerned with maintaining civil discourse with freedom of expression that stops only at the other person's nose.

    The thing I said about modes of criticism is important, because it has consequences for individuals and for society. If you discriminate by behavior, then that behavior can be changed, but if you discriminate by race, color, or assigned traits that can't be changed, then you create a person who will never fit into the system because they can't affect your trait assignments, and if they can't fit in, then they have no reason to be involved in that system or maintain it.

    Societies which discriminate based on assigned traits rather than changeable behavior are going to exclude a lot of talented individuals, and are going to lose the race of history. Even aside from being crappy and dangerous places to live, since where does the assignment of bad traits stop? "First they came for the socialists..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Beautiful sky was factually correct in (what I assume to be) her assessment of my mother. My mother was smart and we related on a Te-level, but she had some personal problems unrelated to type, although it is hard for me to viscerally separate that out, since it was embedded before I had the tools to understand what was happening.
    I didn't have to exercise any restrain whatsoever, since I didn't feel offended in the slightest by her assessment.

    I'm more concerned with maintaining civil discourse with freedom of expression that stops only at the other person's nose.

    The thing I said about modes of criticism is important, because it has consequences for individuals and for society. If you discriminate by behavior, then that behavior can be changed, but if you discriminate by race, color, or assigned traits that can't be changed, then you create a person who will never fit into the system because they can't affect your trait assignments, and if they can't fit in, then they have no reason to be involved in that system or maintain it.

    Societies which discriminate based on assigned traits rather than changeable behavior are going to exclude a lot of talented individuals, and are going to lose the race of history. Even aside from being crappy and dangerous places to live, since where does the assignment of bad traits stop? "First they came for the socialists..."
    It wasn't an assessment, it was a reaction. She was rebuking you but I guess you missed that.

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