Outgoing and socially involved SLIs-ISTps

[dattebayo]

cool post. But that's my point. Socionics keep stating social introversion <> introversion but still the type descriptions give this misleading picture

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Well, I think i'm reconsidering my type tbh, but the thing about descriptions imo is that they're always going to be through the lens of the person that wrote it, and in this context, the lens of socionic type.

For instance, an SLI might seem quiet to one person, and expressive to another, and then equate expressive with not being quiet. Man, I dunno, some people can interpret Fe PoLR as being quiet, just because they're not making lots of "Fe" noise.

I suppose that in most cases, "I" types will be speak less than an "E" types. Although - in my observation, vast majority of LOGICAL types are socially reserved in comparison to ETHICAL types, ethical types just have a better understanding of group relations or group dynamics than logical types from an emotive perspective, so they can interact with more confidence in that area (ie socialising) whether they are I or E.

[dattebayo]

Well, I think i'm reconsidering my type tbh, but the thing about descriptions imo is that they're always going to be through the lens of the person that wrote it, and in this context, the lens of socionic type.

For instance, an SLI might seem quiet to one person, and expressive to another, and then equate expressive with not being quiet. Man, I dunno, some people can interpret Fe PoLR as being quiet, just because they're not making lots of "Fe" noise.

I suppose that in most cases, "I" types will be speak less than an "E" type. Although - in my observation, vast majority of LOGICAL types are socially reserved in comparison to ETHICAL types, ethical types just have a better understanding of group relations or group dynamics than logical types so they can interact with more confidence in that area whether they are I or E.

yeah I sort of see your point. But at the same time there is a certain introvertet quality to all the SLIs I know

my boy friend for instance. Just watching him eat can make him smile. There is just something about the way he immerses him self in what he's doing. Like he internalizes everything he does, whether it is eating, walking, putting the plates in the cupboard or anything other physical heh for me watching that is just mindblowing and alien. It is really appealing

[Creepy-Cyclops]

yeah I sort of see your point. But at the same time there is a certain introvertet quality to all the SLIs I know

my boy friend for instance. Just watching him eat can make him smile. There is just something about the way he immerses him self in what he's doing. Like he internalizes everything he does, whether it is eating, walking, putting the plates in the cupboard or anything other physical heh for me watching that is just mindblowing and alien. It is really appealing

Yeah I may be rambling lol, what I suppose is that the more use of the T type in a person the more socially introverted they'll be than just introverted. When you think about someone with strong Te, say even an ESTj, when they're talking - and they can talk a lot - they're talking about factual, logical stuff.

But for socialising and the like, just general chit chat, influencing the group in terms of how they feel or get on, that's F.

So probably from that POV, a SLI-Si will be able to engage in general socialising than an SLI-Te (becaus an SLI-Si uses his Fe more).

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When you think about what they're talking about, like someone rambling on about the factual information of some film or band or their hobby, it's a list of data almost, for a Te type.

Like what you're doing:

my boy friend for instance. Just watching him eat can make him smile. There is just something about the way he immerses him self in what he's doing. Like he internalizes everything he does, whether it is eating, walking, putting the plates in the cupboard or anything other physical heh for me watching that is just mindblowing and alien. It is really appealing

Is you're talking about the way he makes it make you and he feel, if he was to talk about the meal, he'd probably just say it was good or list what he ate and if he enjoyed it (facts analysed logically). (Which ones creates the most conversation? )

[UDP]

Yeah.

cool post.

thanks

[dattebayo]

thanks

[UDP]

cool post. But that's my point. Socionics keep stating social introversion <> introversion but still the type descriptions give this misleading picture

Type descriptions aren't really so hot. I just wrote a bit about that in another thread and also copied it to my blog. It's good to get a variety of them (check out the ones on wikipedia's individual type pages), but even then, they are only profiles.

Rick, on his website, socionics.us, (or actually it's his blog, but you can find it from there I think), had a very good article about extroverted intratims and introverted extratims. It explains social intro/extroversion vs socionics intratim/extratim.

It's a very good article. One of the key points is that extratims, regardless of social intro/extroversion, are prone to starting and making their own initiatives, and tend to be less receptive to other people's initiatives, or even dislike them. (When I was 'less extroverted', I always related to that part of extratims). WHere as intratims are more prone to other people offering and suggesting intiatives onto them, and are more comfortable with taking and accepting, even expecting people to 'come to them' or 'suggest things to them'.

I never realized how much intratims actually are different that way until relatively recently. It's not an unbreakable rule, but, it's a major tendency I've seen.

[dattebayo]

thanks I'll check it out

this stuff really is interesting heh I'm gonna miss dinner over this one