EIE and EII

[Beautiful sky]

Difference between them.

@Sol

EII keep journals, notes, articles and cut outs of reference materials and EIE do not

[Sol]

> EII keep journals, notes, articles and cut outs of reference materials and EIE do not

Anyone may do this. The least degree of this I'd awaited from P-N types, which better understand the value of info to keep lesser "just for some case" and being chaotic do lesser preparations/keepings.

[Beautiful sky]

> EII keep journals, notes, articles and cut outs of reference materials and EIE do not

Anyone may do this. The least degree of this I'd awaited from P-N types, which better understand the value of info to keep lesser "just for some case" and being chaotic do lesser preparations/keepings.

Do you and for how long? And of what and show me the proof

[Beautiful sky]

> EII keep journals, notes, articles and cut outs of reference materials and EIE do not

Anyone may do this. The least degree of this I'd awaited from P-N types, which better understand the value of info to keep lesser "just for some case" and being chaotic do lesser preparations/keepings.

Also state the differences between the two types

[FarDraft]

Was this thread made for some petty reason? I can't see a different reason to make a thread specifically about one thing.
EDIT: Yes, yes it was.

[ooo]

I lose everything instead

[Beautiful sky]

@Sol we are going to settle this account here about you typing me EIE. Otherwise put me on ignore and never referee to me again.

[golden]

Hi, I’d rather die than keep a journal, confirmed. I would not save scraps of things, confirmed.

I do save links to things, and books.

Maritsa wins.

[Beautiful sky]

Hi, I’d rather die than keep a journal, confirmed. I would not save scraps of things, confirmed.

I do save links to things, and books.

Maritsa wins.

My EIE friend gifted me journal number 30 something after I cat sat for her one week. She said to me “I know that you like to journal. I see you doing it all the time.”

[Enters Laughing]

[Enters Laughing]

My post count is smaller than yours.

[Sol]

ENFJ


INFJ

[Beautiful sky]

I look more like number 2 EII

ENFJ


INFJ

[Beautiful sky]

ENFJ


INFJ

Actually if you bother to watch my video I am way less emotive than either one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAkzRoiDjg

[Enters Laughing]

Having said that, I have a very large post count.

[Beautiful sky]

Subt you’re on permanent ignore. I wish you would get off this forum and get a real life. Find a real woman and have a real family

[Enters Laughing]

I've not had too many complaints about the size of my post count. It's what you do with it that counts.

[Sol]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

[Beautiful sky]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

That’s not mine. It was a gift that my cousins gave me on my birthday

[Beautiful sky]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

This should show you how bad you are at considering circumstances

[Beautiful sky]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

Anything else? You are losing fast

[Enters Laughing]

Anything else? You are losing fast

The sort of remark that has been used in the past to type others as SEE.

[Beautiful sky]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

And your ENFj wore dark colors omg sol help me

[Beautiful sky]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

Here is your dark colors
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAkzRoiDjg

[Aylen]

EII, unlike EIE, tend to avoid bright and contrast colors alike on Maritsa's avatar. as they do not wish to agitate others, but prefer calm emotions

The color combinations that agitate you do not necessarily agitate others. If you have a sensitivity to bright colors this makes sense but I don't think this is a effective way to sell your typings of EII to the masses considering you have posted videos showing people you consider EII being very annoying who weren't wearing muted colors. I will await your response after your temp ban if you choose to come back after it.

Furthermore red is one of natures most amazing colors and nature artistically contrasts color very beautifully.

[Skepsis]

I've not had too many complaints about the size of my post count. It's what you do with it that counts.

It is not the size that matters, but the 'motion of whose postin'.

[Enters Laughing]

Doesn't anyone want to see my post count?

[Beautiful sky]

My introverted nature shines through in my self video because when introverts speak their speech is abbreviated with a lot of “um” and pauses since introverts have difficulty putting their thoughts into words

[Enters Laughing]

When considering sources, it is important to consider if it is reliable and not fabricated. If there are other sources that contradict a idealized version, they should be factored in.

[Beautiful sky]

Subt has difficulty recognizing and respecting other people’s boundaries

[Enters Laughing]

Beautiful sky has difficulty recognizing and respecting other people’s opinions

[Beautiful sky]

@Sol you lose again at identifying an EII and you can now put me on ignore. You continuously make accusations that are unfounded not with good measure but to hurt my feelings and you have succeeded. I don’t need to speak with you

[Sol]

also EII do not make many posts to attract the attention. they are quiter and try to do not annoy. they value Fi emotional comfort

also EII are lesser provocative, as own comfort they value too. while EIE have some s&m traits

[Beautiful sky]

also EII do not make many posts to attract the attention. they are quiter and try to do not annoy. they value Fi emotional comfort

also EII are lesser provocative, as own comfort they value too. while EIE have some s&m traits

What bs you speak of. Writing is what introverts do best and posting has nothing to do with type. Now put me on ignore. You do not need to have further interaction with me because you do not respect me nor value my opinion

[Aylen]

I was thinking of the type nicknames and remembered this thread.

I think either type could be hardcore humanists. Perhaps EIE even more so in some ways. You could say that about all the cute little nicks the types have though. I see now why one of the descriptions of EII assert they don't believe in any supernatural type stuff unless it is part of a specific religion they believe in. I wonder if that is in the original Russian texts.

7. Ignoring (Fe)

Extroverted ethics or “Fe” is responsible for the perception of an emotional state in an individual and the bodily and linguistic expression of emotions. Fe is able to influence others' emotional condition and to communicate its own, "infecting" others. Fe is used especially in generating and recognizing excitement and enthusiasm. In EIIs, Fe is strong but subdued.

From the Fe page: The EII "is perfectly able to integrate in a group emotional situations, such as people having fun and trading jokes, and sustain that for a long period of time. He is also usually adept at promoting such an atmosphere himself. However, he sees no point in doing so if his own inner emotional state does not prompt him towards that, especially if he does not feel as having positive private feelings towards the other people involved. He is aware of the need to keep a "polite façade" in certain social situations even in the presence of people he personally dislikes or during periods of negative inner emotions, but he refuses to actively attempt to integrate in, or promote, a positive external emotional atmosphere in such occasions. His disinclination for doing so increases along with his feelings of closeness with the individuals present."

From the EII page: "EIIs can become expressive and very lively in groups for brief periods of time, but they always gravitate to deep, focused communication between two people or a small, close-knit group. They tend to shun wildness and prefer serious, more sensitive communication."
"EIIs are usually very straightforward about their feelings in front of others; what you see from them is what you get. Even at a party where everyone is supposed to be happy, they still find it hard to conceal their true feelings when they are in a bad mood. This can create distaste among the rest who feel that the EII is not cooperating by contributing to the positive and boisterous mood. This tends to lead others who don't know the EII well to have a misconception that he/she is a grouchy person by nature."

8. Demonstrative (Ni)

Introverted intuition or “Ni” is responsible for the estimation of the passage of time, the understanding of a course of processes in time, and forecasting. Ni understands how things may change and evolve over time and throughout history. Ni is acutely aware of events that are occurring outside of the immediate perception of the moment, and sees events as part of a continuous flow. Ni perceives the possible ramifications of future events and notices ties to the past. In EIIs, Ni is strong but subdued.

From the EII page: "The EII is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities. The individual is also not naive to future happenings. He will often warn others of negative consequences. In this way, he uses his Ni to help the PoLR of his dual. However, unlike an EIE, he will not often take his own advice nor expect others to. His Se PoLR makes it impossible for him to demand that others heed his advice, and his Creative Ne makes him place more value in the possibility that he is wrong and that things will play out differently than in avoiding foreseeable disasters."

From the Functions page: "An EII uses Ni mainly as a kind of game... They often intentionally go against its conventional usage simply to prove a point in favor of their Ne. However, Ni is used quite often in private, to produce information to support their Ne when focusing on making contact with the external world. An EII will often have just as sophisticated an understanding of Ni as they do of Fi. Unlike Fe, it plays a major part in their worldview, since as the vulnerable function of LSE it requires especially delicate attention. Thus, when an EII is given information regarding Ni by someone else, they will tend to take it as obvious information that is irrelevant to completely focus on. EIIs will often use the demonstrative function to defend and further support their beliefs made in the vulnerable function. Ni is the easiest function to use (after Fi) yet often occurs sporadically."

http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=EII_domain

Conclusions about EIE traits

There are so many different kinds of EIE that even other EIEs find them difficult to type. Their behavior depends on their mood and their mood and view of life depends on their upbringing. This is why EIEs can range from serious, sad and contemplative to extremely energetic and goofy happy. Their type traits can be extremely difficult to spot, hidden beneath their own self image.

Gift Ideas

What are some of the things you would like to receive, as an EIE? What kind of material objects would stimulate , , , or ?

• Private notebooks -(AKA diarys) great for writing down, organizing, coalescing one's thoughts and feelings
• Meditation CDs (Hemisync etc.) -respite to a rich dimension filled with inspiring senses ideally prepared by a professional

http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=EIE_domain

Anyway it seems it is more of an atheistic or agnostic philosophy.

Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.

The lifestance of Humanism—guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and informed by experience—encourages us to live life well and fully. It evolved through the ages and continues to develop through the efforts of thoughtful people who recognize that values and ideals, however carefully wrought, are subject to change as our knowledge and understandings advance.

This document is part of an ongoing effort to manifest in clear and positive terms the conceptual boundaries of Humanism, not what we must believe but a consensus of what we do believe. It is in this sense that we affirm the following:

Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis. Humanists find that science is the best method for determining this knowledge as well as for solving problems and developing beneficial technologies. We also recognize the value of new departures in thought, the arts, and inner experience—each subject to analysis by critical intelligence.

Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change. Humanists recognize nature as self-existing. We accept our life as all and enough, distinguishing things as they are from things as we might wish or imagine them to be. We welcome the challenges of the future, and are drawn to and undaunted by the yet to be known.

Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience. Humanists ground values in human welfare shaped by human circumstances, interests, and concerns and extended to the global ecosystem and beyond. We are committed to treating each person as having inherent worth and dignity, and to making informed choices in a context of freedom consonant with responsibility.

Life’s fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals. We aim for our fullest possible development and animate our lives with a deep sense of purpose, finding wonder and awe in the joys and beauties of human existence, its challenges and tragedies, and even in the inevitability and finality of death. Humanists rely on the rich heritage of human culture and the lifestance of Humanism to provide comfort in times of want and encouragement in times of plenty.

Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships. Humanists long for and strive toward a world of mutual care and concern, free of cruelty and its consequences, where differences are resolved cooperatively without resorting to violence. The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature’s resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.

Humanists are concerned for the well being of all, are committed to diversity, and respect those of differing yet humane views. We work to uphold the equal enjoyment of human rights and civil liberties in an open, secular society and maintain it is a civic duty to participate in the democratic process and a planetary duty to protect nature’s integrity, diversity, and beauty in a secure, sustainable manner.

Thus engaged in the flow of life, we aspire to this vision with the informed conviction that humanity has the ability to progress toward its highest ideals. The responsibility for our lives and the kind of world in which we live is ours and ours alone.

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Humanist Manifesto is a trademark of the American Humanist Association
© 2003 American Humanist Association
The following works have been declared by the AHA board as historic, and are superseded by Humanist Manifesto III:

• Humanist Manifesto I
• Humanist Manifesto II

Are You Humanist?

https://thehumanist.com/

Humanism vs. Atheism
Posted on July 16, 2000 by Carl Coon


A couple of days ago, a 21 year-old student asked me: “Is it a contradiction of terms to be a Humanist but not an Atheist?” I replied approximately as follows:


It depends on how you define your terms. I believe that the essence of humanism is a sense that humanity as a whole is more important than any of its subgroups. Basic to humanism is an attitude that starts with a sense of togetherness, a sympathy and a sharing, accompanied by a sense that you as an individual share responsibility for our collective future with all the rest of humanity.


If you believe there is a God specifically dedicated to the protection or care of the group you happen to belong to, whether that group is defined by religion or race or whatever, and that your god supports your group as opposed to other groups, I don’t think you can properly be considered a true humanist.


If you believe that there is a God up there someplace that you can invoke to alter specific things that are going to happen, you are not a true humanist. You are in effect passing the buck to an entity whose existence is unverifiable. The humanist says, in effect, the buck stops here.

If you don’t submit to either of those two beliefs, however, you can be a humanist in practice even if you choose to believe in some higher power. Some atheists might dispute this, but I believe they are being unnecessarily exclusive, and underrate the need for all of us to work together to combat the pernicious forces of the conservative religious types. Issues like the separation of church and state are very important, and non-believers need to work together with sensible believers to make sure we suffer no return to theocratic tyranny.


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To put it in technical terms, there is a great gap between theists and deists, where deists believe there is a power up there but basically we are on our own. That gap is far more important, in practical terms, than the gap in belief between deists and atheists. As long as you recognize that human destiny is made here on earth, by us humans, and that we are solely responsible for what happens, whether you believe in God (the deist approach) or don’t (atheism) is a matter of choice, and an individual seriously concerned with the future of humanity can go either way. A deist with strong humanist leanings is likely to be a person that makes a positive contribution to humanity as a whole. I am a humanist who prefers not to believe in any superior power, but I welcome humanism wherever I find it. We need each other.


https://www.progressivehumanism.com/...sm-vs-atheism/

Both types are rationals in socionics. Both can be low key and private. Both can be humanists. Both can show their bad moods and be critical. Both can enjoy using journals and writing.

[MrsTortilla]

@Beautiful sky you remind me of EII musician Joanna Newsom (pictured here with IEE husband Andy Samberg).

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[Sol]

both women (interviewer and interviewed one) - ENFJ


also the both - INFJ

@Beautiful sky you remind me of EII musician Joanna Newsom (pictured here with IEE husband Andy Samberg).

Joanna Newsom is not EII too. mb IEI
Andy Samberg mb ILE

EIE needs many books but read less, to keep them seeing whole information objectively, EII needs fewer books but read more, to keep them seeing specific information objectively.

To read most of books at 10% is what P type may do. J types tend to follow plans while those plans are doubtful to be to read so little from a book.

@Delilah
nice to see here another Fe (mb SEI) with wannabe-EII idea
you may also try to produce something about your difference from EIE or Fe types

[MrsTortilla]

Joanna Newsom is not EII too. mb IEI
Andy Samberg mb ILE

Joanna Newsom is definitely EII. Her song lyrics are incredibly Delta and Ti role is evident as well.
Andy could be IEE or ILE but I think IEE.



Lyrics to “Emily” by Joanna Newsom:

The meadowlark and the chim-choo-ree and the sparrow
Set to the sky in a flying spree,
for the sport over the pharaoh
A little while later the Pharisees dragged comb through the meadow
Do you remember what they called up to you and me, in our window?
There is a rusty light on the pines tonight
Sun pouring wine, lord, or marrow
Down into the bones of the birches
And the spires of the churches
Jutting out from the shadows
The yoke, and the axe, and the old smokestacks and the bale and the barrow
And everything sloped like it was dragged from a rope
In the mouth of the south below
We've seen those mountains kneeling, felten and grey
We thought our very hearts would up and melt away
From that snow in the night time
Just going
And going
And the stirring of wind chimes
In the morning
In the morning
Helps me find my way back in
From the place where I have been
And, Emily, I saw you last night by the river
I dreamed you were skipping little stones across the surface of the water
Frowning at the angle where they were lost, and slipped under forever,
In a mud-cloud, mica-spangled, like the sky'd been breathing on a mirror
Anyhow, I sat by your side, by the water
You taught me the names of the stars overhead that I wrote down in my ledger
Though all I knew of the rote universe were those pleiades loosed in December
I promised you I'd set them to verse so I'd always remember
That the meteorite is a source of the light
And the meteor's just what we see
And the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee
And the meteorite's just what causes the light
And the meteor's how it's perceived
And the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee
You came and lay a cold compress upon the mess I'm in
Threw the window wide and cried, Amen! Amen! Amen!
The whole world stopped to hear you hollering
You looked down and saw now what was happening
The lines are fadin' in my kingdom
Though I have never known the way to border 'em in
So the muddy mouths of baboons and sows and the grouse and the horse and the hen
Grope at the gate of the looming lake that was once a tidy pen
And the mail is late and the great estates are not lit from within
The talk in town's becoming downright sickening
In due time we will see the far butte lit by a flare
I've seen your bravery, and I will follow you there
And row through the night time
So healthy
Gone healthy all of a sudden
In search of the midwife
Who could help me
Who could help me
Help me find my way back in
There are worries where I've been
Say, say, say in the lee of the bay, don't be bothered
Leave your troubles here where the tugboats shear the water from the water
Flanked by furrows, curling back, like a match held up to a newspaper
Emily, they'll follow your lead by the letter
And I make this claim, and I'm not ashamed to say I knew you better
What they've seen is just a beam of your sun that banishes winter
Let us go! though we know it's a hopeless endeavor
The ties that bind, they are barbed and spined and hold us close forever
Though there is nothing would help me come to grips with a sky that is gaping and yawning
There is a song I woke with on my lips as you sailed your great ship towards the morning
Come on home, the poppies are all grown knee-deep by now
Blossoms all have fallen, and the pollen ruins the plow
Peonies nod in the breeze and while they wetly bow, with
Hydrocephalitic listlessness ants mop up-a their brow
And everything with wings is restless, aimless, drunk and dour
The butterflies and birds collide at hot, ungodly hours
And my clay-colored motherlessness rangily reclines
Come on home, now! all my bones are dolorous with vines
Pa pointed out to me, for the hundredth time tonight
The way the ladle leads to a dirt-red bullet of light
Squint skyward and listen
Loving him, we move within his borders
Just asterisms in the stars' set order
We could stand for a century
Starin'
With our heads cocked
In the broad daylight at this thing
Joy
Landlocked
In bodies that don't keep
Dumbstruck with the sweetness of being
Till we don't be
Told, take this
Eat this
Told, the meteorite is the source of the light
And the meteor's just what we see
And the meteoroid is a stone that's devoid of the fire that propelled it to thee
And the meteorite's just what causes the light
And the meteor's how it's perceived
And the meteoroid's a bone thrown from the void that lies quiet in offering to thee

[Sol]

Joanna Newsom is definitely EII. Her song lyrics are incredibly Delta

By nonverbal I feel her as not EII with assurance. Other impressions.
Lyrics is lesser correct source (as lesser natural having more of external influences) and its interpretation can be also not a single-valued.
To understand me you may compare your impressions from the ones I typed to EII with impressions you get from her.

[MrsTortilla]

By nonverbal I feel her as not EII with assurance. Other impressions.
Lyrics is lesser correct source (as lesser natural having more of external influences) and its interpretation can be also not a single-valued.
To understand me you may compare your impressions from the ones I typed to EII with impressions you get from her.

Did you watch the interview? How many IEI’s do you know that can break their musical structure down the way she can and discuss complex polymeters? This seems like something other EII’s I know would get into.