ESIs/ISFjs are not inherently more moral.

[Aramas]

Calling Fi "ethics" in English Socionics terminology has led people to focus wrongly on a phenomenon that is determined by all the information elements. "Feeling" is actually a better word for Fi and Fe. Its associations are closer to the actual reality of Fi and Fe.

Example:

Te dominant types are often unaware of their personal feelings (Fi) determining their judgment outside of their conscious awareness. They sincerely believe their judgment is the result of an objective process and are unaware of the influence.

Ti dominant types are unaware of how the emotion they receive from the external environment determines their process of logic or perceptions of categories. They think they are acting based on an impetus that is entirely internal and within themselves when in reality the external feedback they receive emotionally from other people determines their thought.

The reason for the mis-association of Fi with morality is the gravity that people attribute to Fi types. People usually associate gravity and severity with morality.

Fi is just personal internal feeling that isn't exposed openly. Fi types can appear serious to Fe types because of the lack of emotional feedback Fi valuers tend to supply when those types have spent a lot of time in egosyntonic environments.

[Sol]

They look so for Te types, at least. They irrationally inspire higher ethical/moral trust to them and are more restrained from acting "badly" for the taste of Fi/Te types.

Also all F types understand better a morality and hence may behave to look better in this. Fi types try to be more pleasant, Fe to be more respectable - this is linked with morally good behavior. People having differing valued Fi/Fe may to have worse perception of their actions, - it's not objective partly.

[Skepsis]

Calling Fi "ethics" in English Socionics terminology has led people to focus wrongly on a phenomenon that is determined by all the information elements. "Feeling" is actually a better word for Fi and Fe. Its associations are closer to the actual reality of Fi and Fe.

Example:

Te dominant types are often unaware of their personal feelings (Fi) determining their judgment outside of their conscious awareness. They sincerely believe their judgment is the result of an objective process and are unaware of the influence.

Ti dominant types are unaware of how the emotion they receive from the external environment determines their process of logic or perceptions of categories. They think they are acting based on an impetus that is entirely internal and within themselves when in reality the external feedback they receive emotionally from other people determines their thought.

The reason for the mis-association of Fi with morality is the gravity that people attribute to Fi types. People usually associate gravity and severity with morality.

Fi is just personal internal feeling that isn't exposed openly. Fi types can appear serious to Fe types because of the lack of emotional feedback Fi valuers tend to supply when those types have spent a lot of time in egosyntonic environments.

I agree. Socionics doesn't treat Fi like how Jung described it. I think Fi and Fe are on a scale of emotional expression, with Fi being emotion that is very strong, but not expressed and Fe being strong emotion that is openly expressed. Fi types don't like to openly express their emotions. Pretty simple concept really that has become "ethics of relations", which really sounds like some Ti bullshit.

[Aramas]

I agree. Socionics doesn't treat Fi like how Jung described it. I think Fi and Fe are on a scale of emotional expression, with Fi being emotion that is very strong, but not expressed and Fe being strong emotion that is openly expressed. Fi types don't like to openly express their emotions. Pretty simple concept really that has become "ethics of relations", which really sounds like some Ti bullshit.

There is a scale. That part is correct. The introverted elements have a split with the intensity of information they can handle. Introverted elements can process information in a dual state manner, both passive and active. In the passive state, they process information more slowly than the extroverted counterpart, as in Fi vs. Fe. There are moments, though, when the introverted element switches to an active state and processes information much more quickly than the extroverted element can comprehend, and the introverted element makes a "quantum leap" of understating and exerts force much stronger than the extroverted element would. This active state can only be maintained for a short period of time.

So the emotional aspect of Fi is usually more subdued and subtle in most cases. But, rarely, it can be really really intense and even show itself openly. The introverted elements in themselves can't handle the usual extroverted intensity. They have to withhold and save up, so to speak, before making a large expenditure.

As I've said before, the introverted elements have the nature of yin, and the extroverted of yang.

[Sol]

the interesting example of possible ESI

Grace Slick

[timber]

the interesting example of possible ESI

Grace Slick

k4 types Her SLE. ....(?)

[Sol]

k4 types Her SLE. ....(?)

mb. the example, where she clearly looks shy as introvert [and seems has nun inspired suite ]

[timber]

mb. the example, where she clearly looks shy as introvert [and seems has nun inspired suite ]

Yup. Her bassist is more outgoing than her.

[Exodus]

Calling Fi "ethics" in English Socionics terminology has led people to focus wrongly on a phenomenon that is determined by all the information elements. "Feeling" is actually a better word for Fi and Fe. Its associations are closer to the actual reality of Fi and Fe.

I tend to agree (not so sure about the examples though). "Feeling" is not perfect either but it's preferable to "ethics". Augusta's reason for changing the terminology is a bit obscure, maybe it makes more sense in Russian.

[Aramas]

I tend to agree (not so sure about the examples though). "Feeling" is not perfect either but it's preferable to "ethics". Augusta's reason for changing the terminology is a bit obscure, maybe it makes more sense in Russian.

Yeah there might be some lost in translation issue there. I don't know Russian so I can't comment.