EIE, creative subtype
EIE, creative subtype
Definitely ILE, it's interesting that everyone who gets it correct knows that the others know their Socionics for getting this correct.
For the record, ILE Ray Dalio wrote a book Principles: Life & Work decomposing everything wants to know about finance.
https://www.principles.com/
He also has a Causal-Deterministic "Big Picture" stream telling you how the economic machine works. I'm extremely impressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0
I'm a Trump supporter who types him as a fellow Gamma quadra LIE but even I noticed after listening to ILE's Stephen Colbert, Ray Dalio, Richard Branson, Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Howard Stern, Conan O'Brien, Mark Cuban, Steven Crowder, AOC, etc. That Trump's style naturally matches his INTJ (edit: ILI) daughter Ivanka and ESFP (edit: SEE) son Don Jr., while excluding his LII son Eric. He isn't meshing with error-correction and observational feedback. It's a "trust the plan" type of deal instead of "Listen to the plan, imaginatively inject your self-image into the plan, observe possible damage and exceptions to self-image resulting from plan, give feedback" deal that would actually complete the Self-Reflection Loop by not only reflecting on the sequence of events but imagining alternative ways it could turn out.
All that is just to say that AOC and other ILE's have a time and a place in the LIE planning process but it's just the nature of our party system and political landscape that we have to character assassinate people fulfilling their natural roles as if it's a left versus right issue instead of a Quadra conflict and mental block internal to each side.
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Why do people say ep. She looks so stiff and rigid
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - ESTP Zhukov
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - ESTP Zhukov
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Mark my words: in 20 years from now, when she has released all aggressive energy and has become more authentic, relaxed and tolerant, we will all type her IEE.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
i don't know but i have noticed is not her thing. she is alpha or beta.
I feel like she's Gamma SF. If not, then NF Beta or Delta.
Be gone, penis-head
I believe she's said something along the lines of "it's more important that something's morally right than factually true" before. I get a Delta vibe from her myself.
Really? Because it sounds like it'd describe most INFjs I've met, but maybe it just seems like that from my point of view because that's how I picture their thought processes.
Side note: Her quote on that seems so laughable to me. How could anything be more important than something actually being factually true? Like imagine being in math class & the teacher says what's 2+2? & You say 5 & she says the answer's 4 & you say but 5 feels more morally right & she says but it's not factually true then you say so what's your point? That's about as much sense as her statement makes to me. Lol
More Beta NF than Delta NF though. Narrative (Ni/Fe) > "Facts" (Te/Si)
Delta NFs care about facts, they just aren't the best at using them. Delta NFs don't care about an argument having an internal logical consistency.
Beta NF:
Narrative, narrative, narrative. The narrative is internally consistent, but you're listening asking "is any of this ACTUALLY true?"
Delta NF:
Fact, fact, fact. The individual facts may be correct (to a degree), but the argument they are constructing with the facts to lead to a certain conclusion is poor. You're listening asking, "is it really valid to infer THAT from that?"
Yeah, but this is the kind of thing I've heard even some Te-ego who is working a LOT on their ethics or something say. And we're addicted to factual accuracy.
e.g.: hiding an escaped slave in 19th century South in the U.S. in your attic and saying: 'they haven't been here' to the slave-hunters. It's not true. It's morally right, and it's MORE IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT or something that doesn't totally lie but convinces them to move on.
So I wouldn't say one quote means she is or isn't a type. (And I haven't got a good read on her type, myself)
This AOC quote....It's a data point; I agree with you, and it may give insight into her personality, but it's not ALL the data, and we need to do a kind of regression line through all the data points we can access in order to type her. I wouldn't go off one quote if you can avoid it.
Morals are about Ti and/or Fi, but she is clearly dismissing the importance of factual accuracy, which is Te.
An Fi lead may neglect factual accuracy, but I would not expect them to explicitly dismiss it. The more obvious interpretation here is that she is rejecting Te in favor of Ti. I think EIE works.
IEE or LSE would be my guess.
So SLE, confirmed?
I'd say Se subtype. She has a hint of SEE-Se here and there.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Weak logic type, extrovert, Fe/Ti valuing
ESE, EIE, SEE, IEE imo
EFxx of some sort, but most clearly of all So/Sp - loves to smear people. Leaning towards EIE, if only as her being my beneficiary makes sense because I cannot take her seriously at all. The strange awkward intenseness mixed with her being ambiguous about wording when she conveys a narrative - very Beta NF. Knows how to manipulate a narrative with words, but clearly manipulating details to fit the narrative (e.g., using purposefully ambiguous wording). Not a healthy Beta NF either IMO, but w/e. People like her for some reason.
Like I said, any EFxx is realistic. Not logical type at all.
EIE. She’s a doctrinaire socialist and believes in very “revolutionary” but impossible things, values Ti but weak due to her inability to explain her ideology. She’s very good with Fe and is overly concerned with the ethical nature of everything. She knows how to rally people together young and old but more importantly, values Se conflict but weak at it because when challenged she crumbles, so Se mob it’s all for show. She takes on an Beta aristocratic slant: if you don’t believe what I believe, then you’re my enemy.
AOC - ESTP Zhukov
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EIE-Fe
One of the easiest typings ever for me: abstract, emotionally-driven ideological thinker and cult personality.
My bet is on SEI. Too fluid, 'present-minded' and go with the flow in interviews to be a 1D/2D Si type. Fe is clearly there. There's no business logic and improving elements of it in society, she just wants to impart a totally new system (Ti > Te).
IEE
I think EIE.
She's SLE. Sensory + Logical. Beta > Delta.