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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    The said was about emotions and those at SEI are closer to IEI and EIE (as same Fe) than EII.

    Opinions strange from theory point can be explaned by mistakes in types.
    And sometimes other influencing factors. For example, E9 should make people more quiet and wishing to be emotionally comfortable.

    > EIIs are cool cats

    F, especially base F, can't be "cool". Fi expresses other kind of emotions.
    Just read with the purpose of understanding not with the purpose of comparing it to what you already know
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Just read with the purpose of understanding
    There were just mistakes in theory and practice, some of which was useful to point and explain.

    P.S. forget doubtful model A, except strong and valued functions
    Last edited by Sol; 02-20-2023 at 08:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    Teach forgive understand forget repeat lol
    Sorry, but that sounds like a nightmare. I'd die of mental stress worrying that they might do it again, even still when I forgive I tend to be distant and feel a mental blockade that separates me from that person. At most I can forgive someone 3 times depending on the severity of their actions. I mean when I feel betrayed by someone, I rather avoid them to avoid feeling intense negative emotions.
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    Default This post is mostly focused on EII

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    Information Elements: EII, also known as INFj or Dostoevsky, is characterized by dominant Introverted Feeling (Fi) and auxiliary Extroverted Intuition (Ne). IEI, also known as INFp or Esenin, is characterized by dominant Introverted Intuition (Ni) and auxiliary Extroverted Feeling (Fe). This leads to different ways in which these types perceive and process information.


    Focus on Relationships: While both types are concerned with relationships, EIIs tend to focus on the internal dynamics and harmony within relationships, ensuring that each individual's values are aligned and respected. IEIs, on the other hand, are more focused on the external emotional atmosphere of relationships and seek to create an environment where people feel comfortable and inspired.


    Approach to Problem Solving: EIIs tend to approach problems with a focus on understanding the underlying values and motivations of the people involved. They seek to find solutions that align with these values, ensuring harmony and cohesion. IEIs are more inclined to envision potential future scenarios and consider the implications of different choices. They are driven by their intuition and the emotional impact of potential outcomes.


    Decision-making Process: EIIs often make decisions based on their personal values and ethics, considering how these align with the needs of others. They can struggle with indecision when faced with conflicting values. IEIs, however, are more likely to rely on their intuition and the emotional atmosphere surrounding a decision. This can result in them being more adaptable and flexible in their decision-making process.


    Communication Style: EIIs have a preference for clear, concise, and sincere communication. They may struggle with ambiguity or vagueness in conversations, as they rely on their understanding of personal values to navigate social interactions. IEIs, in contrast, are more adept at reading between the lines and perceiving the emotional subtext of a conversation. They may use metaphor and symbolism to communicate their ideas and can be more enigmatic in their expression.


    Response to Conflict: EIIs generally prefer to avoid conflict and may become distressed when faced with situations that disrupt harmony. They will often try to mediate and find a solution that aligns with the values of all parties involved. IEIs, while also conflict-averse, are more likely to withdraw from the situation and wait for the emotional atmosphere to settle before re-engaging. They may also use their intuitive understanding of others to navigate conflicts indirectly.

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    WRITING

    EII (INFj) - Ethical Intuitive Introvert:


    Content: EIIs tend to focus on topics related to ethics, values, and morality. They might discuss personal growth, relationships, and the importance of understanding others.
    Emotional tone: EIIs often have a strong sense of empathy and compassion in their writing. They may use emotive language to create an emotional connection with the reader.
    Structure: EIIs are likely to be organized and structured in their writing. They may present ideas in a logical sequence and use clear examples to illustrate their points.
    Intuition: Although EIIs have strong intuition, they tend to rely more on their ethical values in their writing. The intuition may show up in their ability to see patterns and connections between ideas, but it might be less prominent than their focus on ethics.

     
    EII-Ne (Intuition accentuated):

    Focus on abstract ideas: EII-Ne individuals are more likely to emphasize abstract concepts and ideas in their writing. They may be more drawn to discussing future possibilities, potential outcomes, and speculative scenarios.


    Creative and imaginative: The writing of EII-Ne individuals may showcase their creativity and imagination. They might use more metaphors, analogies, and symbolism to illustrate their points.


    Open-ended discussions: EII-Ne individuals might prefer open-ended discussions in their writing, exploring multiple perspectives and ideas without necessarily reaching a definitive conclusion.


    Less focus on personal emotions: Although they are still sensitive to emotions, EII-Ne individuals may not delve as deeply into their own emotional experiences in their writing, instead focusing on the broader implications and patterns they perceive.


    EII-Fi (Ethics accentuated):


    Focus on values and ethics: EII-Fi individuals are more likely to emphasize their personal values, ethics, and morality in their writing. They may discuss topics such as relationships, empathy, and understanding others.


    Emotional depth: The writing of EII-Fi individuals may delve deeper into their own emotional experiences and inner world. They might use emotive language and share personal stories to create a strong emotional connection with the reader.


    Clear stances: EII-Fi individuals may be more likely to take a clear stance on moral or ethical issues in their writing, expressing their beliefs and values with conviction.


    Greater focus on interpersonal dynamics: EII-Fi individuals might be more likely to discuss interpersonal dynamics, exploring how people relate to each other and how their own emotions and values shape these interactions.


     

    Here are some situations in which an EII may activate their Ignoring Fe:


    In social situations: When the EII finds themselves in social settings that require them to connect with others, they may use their Ignoring Fe to create a positive atmosphere and harmonize with the group. This can include using humor, sharing stories, or engaging in light-hearted conversations.


    To maintain relationships: EIIs value deep, meaningful connections, but they may activate their Ignoring Fe to maintain relationships that aren't as close or meaningful. This might involve using diplomacy, tact, or understanding social etiquette to navigate interactions with acquaintances, coworkers, or distant relatives.


    Under stress or pressure: In situations where the EII feels stressed or under pressure, they may resort to using their Ignoring Fe to adapt and cope with the situation. This can include trying to manage the emotions of others, smoothing over conflicts, or expressing themselves more outwardly to avoid further tension.


    In leadership or teamwork roles: EIIs might activate their Ignoring Fe when they need to work effectively in a team or take on leadership responsibilities. They may use their Fe to motivate and inspire others, create a sense of unity, or provide emotional support to team members.


    To conform to societal expectations: In some cases, EIIs may use their Ignoring Fe to meet societal expectations or fit in with cultural norms. This can involve displaying the expected emotional responses in certain situations or following social conventions to avoid standing out.
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    However, there can be situations where an EII might need to activate their Se PoLR:


    Immediate action: In emergency situations or when quick decisions are needed, EIIs might need to activate their Se to act in the present moment, respond to their surroundings, and make rapid decisions based on the current context.


    Physical tasks or activities: If EIIs engage in activities that require physical strength, dexterity, or coordination, they may need to activate their Se. This can include sports, dance, or manual labor.


    Assertiveness: In situations where EIIs must assert themselves, stand their ground, or defend their boundaries, they may need to use Se to express their needs and desires more directly.


    Competition: In competitive situations, whether it is at work, in sports, or during a game, EIIs may need to activate their Se to respond to the immediate demands of the competition and adapt to the changing dynamics of the situation.


    Sensory experiences: When engaging in activities that involve heightened sensory experiences, such as cooking, painting, or enjoying a concert, EIIs may activate their Se to appreciate and fully immerse themselves in the sensory aspects of the experience.



    IEI (INFp) - Intuitive Ethical Introvert:


    Content: IEIs often explore abstract concepts, such as future possibilities, symbolism, and the nature of human experience. Their writing might delve into topics like spirituality, creativity, or the subconscious mind.
    Emotional tone: While IEIs also have a strong emotional component in their writing, it may be more subtle and nuanced compared to EIIs. They might use metaphorical language and poetic expressions to convey their feelings and ideas.
    Structure: IEIs can be less linear and structured in their writing than EIIs. Their thought process might appear more fluid, and they may jump between different ideas and concepts without necessarily following a clear logical sequence.
    Intuition: Intuition is a dominant feature in the writing of an IEI. They are likely to showcase their ability to see the big picture, make connections between disparate ideas, and envision potential outcomes.

    Keep in mind that these patterns are not definitive, and people's writing styles can change depending on the context and purpose of their writing. To get a more accurate understanding of someone's socionics type, it's best to observe their behavior and communication style in a variety of situations.
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    With EIIs I always get this strong sense that they are repressing their emotions and negative thoughts about other people. They will almost always only vocalize their criticisms when people are rude and offensive to the EII directly. They frustrate types that value Fe and Se because they feel as though the EII is "hiding things behind their back" and are cowardly for not expressing their true thoughts and feelings about others from the get go.

    IEIs meanwhile are constantly signaling and leaking out their emotional state in way, whether positive or negative. They intermix their emotions with their the words they and turn their way of communication into an elaborate artform. IEIs frustrate types that value Te and Ne because they perceive that emotional language as "whining" and think the IEI should be focusing instead doing on practical things and searching for ways to better themselves.

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