Can you help? Am I ENFp or INFp?

[The Reality Denialist]

There are oddly introverted IEE's. You might be one.
Anyway, I think your answers reflect result type. Not liking to dwell in past similar to your dual. It is easy to mix up yourself with ignoring [I can find exactly opposite preference for Ni (process Ni) as in catastrophising Nostradamus ways and going backwards and forwards while I'm just laughing at it or getting stuck.]

[ToTheMoon]

Just wanted to let you guys know that I moved on from socionics to Objective Personality and highly recommend it to anyone who feels that mbti and socionics lack structure and a strong basis in facts. I'd also recommend it to those who feel that personality is dynamic and more dychotomous and weird and complicated than just 'you're type X, now go on and enjoy it'. I always thought there's so much more to personality than that because I have changed very strongly in my life and who I was in the past only slightly resembles who I am now. That change didn't fit and wasn't described well by either mbti or socionics but it aligns perfectly with what they are saying in Objective Personality. I don't know what type I am, currently I think Fi or Ti lead with Ne/Si axis is likely but that's just speculation based on agitated thinking brought on by discovering OP . I will get back here and let you know when I have settled on a type and had it well thought through and possibly confirmed.

Anyways, as always, thank you all for taking your time to look at my thread and comment! I really appreciate your input and it is endlessly interesting to read what others see in me. It's truly an invaluable reference point. If anyone was interested to know more about OP, feel free to message me and I'll be happy to share what I learned.

Cheers.

[Faith]

I totally agree in mbti lacking structure, however socionics does have a full theory but I've seen ppl rarely investigate it in deep (instead they come here to ask everybody about appreciations and opinions) which obviously causes them to get frustrated. Objective personality seems to me another attempt of mixing up mbti and socionics with other personality systems. It would be interesting to know which type do they think you are or which functions do they say you use if you agree on sharing about it.
Thank you and good luck.

[ToTheMoon]

I agree. I guess I need even more clarity and simplification. Socionics is very multi-faceted and nuanced and in the end it turned out to be too vague for my. It's just a preference though! I'm certainly not shitting on socionics since I've learned a lot from it. It's just that when I know I've found something that fits me perfectly, I want to pursue it.
Thanks!

[Faith]

I agree. I guess I need even more clarity and simplification. Socionics is very multi-faceted and nuanced and in the end it turned out to be too vague for my. It's just a preference though! I'm certainly not shitting on socionics since I've learned a lot from it. It's just that when I know I've found something that fits me perfectly, I want to pursue it.
Thanks!

Yeah, no prob. Go for what you feel for and like the most.

I just had to say that because its true. They basically just gathered the basic theory of mbti and socionics, they are not creating a new model in this aspect. They change the name of basic concepts of the basic theory.

Saviors & Demons**
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We all have one Savior Decider (F or T) and one Savior Observer (S or N). *A Savior Function is your dominant preferred Function. A Demon Function is a Function that you don’t respect. *Notice, this is not about “ability” but rather respect. We see the interaction of the Functions much like “muscle imbalances”. *We all favor one hand over the other even though we all use both hands, same idea here. You will favor Gathering (Se or Ne) over Organizing (Si or Ni) or the other way around. *You will favor helping the tribe (Te or Fe) before yourself (Fi or Ti) or the other way around. Simply put, you will starve one Function to feed the other.

This is basically the valued/unvalued functions in socionics Model A for example.

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noooo pls @ToTheMoon plz don't do it




now I remember that site... it's all bs :/

(someone said it's similar to the typings of K4m)

[Bento]

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please don't pay random people for bs
Socionics is bs,too, but at least it's free
All they do is selling their business model/gimmick "double blind" so people think it's objective.

The information on this website is only our opinion. It should never be taken as professional advice.

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amen

[ToTheMoon]

I absolutely can see what they are doing, how they changed some names and added others. I don't mind, I don't care about naming things one way or another (valued, unvalued, saviors, demons), as long as something simply works for me. This works for me in aspects that socionics doesn't because it describes dychotomies and uses functions as working together/against one another on a scale instead of making them disconnected from one another. This aligns with my experience and it's an approach I have not seen in socionics. Maybe it's a matter of the way they explain the theory and its inner workings that just makes things perfectly clear for me. But if it works, it works and I'm in. It's just a simple Ti judgment of what works for me and what doesn't . You can't change my mind here because I've already made up my mind based on what works for me. And I stress *for me*. It doesn't have to work for you, folks! To each their own.

Also I will thank you for not worrying about my financial decisions .

[The Reality Denialist]

So was it that they had 512 or something types. So for personal advantage point in terms itr this seems to be too confusing and that facial stuff [and after that much elaboration I'm not really seeing identical all the time]. I just watched one IMO SEE being typed as some sort of super special INTJ subtype after a lengthy and expensive process... so yeah. So what does it really give? Meaningful type or belief? I'm kind of lost. It is better not to hang on a type regardless of system. Just have fun.

[ToTheMoon]

Most basically it's about identifying your two top functions and your bottom two functions. They always work in tandem. The ones on top you overuse and the ones on bottom you don't use well enough. That creates deficits. If I use too much Ne, I will not use enough Si. The aim here is to identify and then work towards balancing functions. Simple as that. It aligns with my experience. I used to be very Ji awkward in my youth and when I was in my 20s, I recognized the void of Je in me and started working towards filling that void. That's why I have high Fe now and this made me think I was a Fe lead or auxiliary. But I'm not. Fe is likely my 4th function, I just trained myself in it in order to balance my deficits. I wasn't born with high Fe. It took a lot of time and effort to work it up. That's the difference between a Savior function and a Demon function in their system. If this is not logical and reasonable, then I don't know what is. That is why this approach speaks to me. It's very simple, very logical. It just takes time to see yourself and to sift through what you believe you are (which is hard because our brains are programmed to see the best things in outselves) and what the reality is. Perhaps socionics is about the same thing, I just never got to that point where this was made apparent. Here, this is the main point they make sure everyone understands. Makes sense to me.

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yes, that actually looks nice

[ToTheMoon]

Unearthing this ancient thread to let you guys know that I stayed with the Objective Personality system for the past year and finally got typed by them. Interestingly enough, those of you who said I was ENFP weren't far from the truth, as well as those few who said ISFJ!

In OP, my main functions are Si/Fe so that's an ISFJ/ISFp. Due to a combination of extra factors that OP takes into consideration, I would indeed present more like an ENFP or even ENFJ because my Ne is more pronounced in the way that I behave rather than my Si, and my Fe is stronger that Ti, making the Ne-Fe connection very pronounced and thus, I'm seemingly more ENFP-ish. But the main drive is still in the Si/Fe.

Thanks to all who took their time to talk with me in this thread. The time I spent in this group was a very large step to knowing myself better and I have all of you to thank for it .

[ToTheMoon]

Lol, a good summary of Fi-creative Ne-lead. =)

Did you mean that about my remark? Sorry, you confused me there!

[ToTheMoon]

Yes. I've heard what you said repeated many times by IEEs I've known in the past, so that I'd say it's almost a trademark of theirs.

From the outside perspective on this, I see a passing fascination with various people until the novelty wears off for them. Seems like only very hard nuts to crack keep their interest for a long time. =)

(Not referring to committed relationships btw, just interesting people they might meet)

Hmm, I'm not sure how to answer that besides the way I already did in my previous comments to Plumes. Not saying what you're writing about is untrue. Maybe it's just that I only meet hard nuts to crack . Sometimes definitely can feel that way.

[ToTheMoon]

@ToTheMoon Well, I can say you're extremely better than I am at people negotiations. You're able to put into neutral words what you're feeling and de-escalate conflict. When I've found myself completely misunderstood by people who insisted that they knew me, what I meant etc. my reaction was heh, nevermind, that's not important for your type. Just have to say I'm impressed by how you handled it. Higher level ethics maybe then.

Wow, thanks. I do have that diplomatic streak. If I speak out my initial gut reaction, it always turns out to be so much drama. I learned it's better to tone it down. Maybe I've had a talent for it that I developed over the years.