Help me determine type

[Beautiful sky]

Describe what you were doing both inside and outside your head on the last walk that you went on.

[kingslayer]

Describe what you were doing both inside and outside your head on the last walk that you went on.

Outside of my head.. I'm just looking around at things, stores, people, the cars driving by. Observing the neighborhood and the culture behind it. I like to see how different areas are influenced by the locals and vice versa. I actually don't walk around much, in my free time, but when I do I just look at things. If I'm passing a store I just look at it and think oh ok, wonder if this place is any good. maybe they have good deals. I'll have to remember this is here so I can google it later and see the reviews in case I ever need whatever they sell here. Whether it's a book store, grocery, restaurant etc. Then I just keep looking around at things while I walk. Sometimes depending on mood I am analyzing things in my head that have absolutely nothing to do with what's around me. Just random anything. Whether it's thinking about a show I watched, or socionics, or someone I'm friends with and things we talked about or about how they acted last and what it could mean. Oh look a person is approaching. Then I think well how is he walking? Is he gonna be trouble for me? Is he going to try and engage me? Ugh I don't feel like talking to strangers today let me just look away while I pass and politely move over make my body language seem more compliant, and if he does try to be trouble I'll have to assert myself. Then they pass, I go back to looking around. Oh look cute girl, smile as I walk by, but won't engage as I'm in a relationship but I enjoy the reciprocity of the smile etc etc. Basically could be thinking about my surrounding or things that have happened or might happen.

[Beautiful sky]

Outside of my head.. I'm just looking around at things, stores, people, the cars driving by. Observing the neighborhood and the culture behind it. I like to see how different areas are influenced by the locals and vice versa. I actually don't walk around much, in my free time, but when I do I just look at things. If I'm passing a store I just look at it and think oh ok, wonder if this place is any good. maybe they have good deals. I'll have to remember this is here so I can google it later and see the reviews in case I ever need whatever they sell here. Whether it's a book store, grocery, restaurant etc. Then I just keep looking around at things while I walk. Sometimes depending on mood I am analyzing things in my head that have absolutely nothing to do with what's around me. Just random anything. Whether it's thinking about a show I watched, or socionics, or someone I'm friends with and things we talked about or about how they acted last and what it could mean. Oh look a person is approaching. Then I think well how is he walking? Is he gonna be trouble for me? Is he going to try and engage me? Ugh I don't feel like talking to strangers today let me just look away while I pass and politely move over make my body language seem more compliant, and if he does try to be trouble I'll have to assert myself. Then they pass, I go back to looking around. Oh look cute girl, smile as I walk by, but won't engage as I'm in a relationship but I enjoy the reciprocity of the smile etc etc. Basically could be thinking about my surrounding or things that have happened or might happen.

Excellent. I’ll write up a difference between SLE and LSE and tell which you relate to

[Beautiful sky]

Outside of my head.. I'm just looking around at things, stores, people, the cars driving by. Observing the neighborhood and the culture behind it. I like to see how different areas are influenced by the locals and vice versa. I actually don't walk around much, in my free time, but when I do I just look at things. If I'm passing a store I just look at it and think oh ok, wonder if this place is any good. maybe they have good deals. I'll have to remember this is here so I can google it later and see the reviews in case I ever need whatever they sell here. Whether it's a book store, grocery, restaurant etc. Then I just keep looking around at things while I walk. Sometimes depending on mood I am analyzing things in my head that have absolutely nothing to do with what's around me. Just random anything. Whether it's thinking about a show I watched, or socionics, or someone I'm friends with and things we talked about or about how they acted last and what it could mean. Oh look a person is approaching. Then I think well how is he walking? Is he gonna be trouble for me? Is he going to try and engage me? Ugh I don't feel like talking to strangers today let me just look away while I pass and politely move over make my body language seem more compliant, and if he does try to be trouble I'll have to assert myself. Then they pass, I go back to looking around. Oh look cute girl, smile as I walk by, but won't engage as I'm in a relationship but I enjoy the reciprocity of the smile etc etc. Basically could be thinking about my surrounding or things that have happened or might happen.

So LSE and SLE are a lot alike. The difference between them is what they seek out in a dual. LSE seeks with Ne I can foresee which action are most promising business or relationship wise like long range scope and development along that long range. EII also schedules action by putting it on a calendar and reminding LSE about it in a very undemanding way which is done when something is reminded a few days or a week before so the person remembers and doesn’t rush. This stops LSE from procrastination. Also EII is independent enough where LSE engages in their own activities for a long time and doesn’t need to have stuff done constantly. When EII recognizes emotions it’s almost always to calm someone and give affection. When IEI recognizes emotions they have a wider arsenal of banter and verbal usage. IEI can joke, compliment, calm, soften attitude. I think EII can come off more confrontational because they don’t recognize emotions of others where IEI knows the right time to be of certain attitude to avoid confrontation.IEI is good at asserting loyalty while loyalty in relationships is a given for EII who chooses the relationship. IEI needs courage and endurance. EII needs independence. Ni in IEI foresees negative outcomes of actions “I can see bad things happening “ Fe watches people’s emotional reactions then suggests measures to influence people. EII doesn’t watch people’s moods, emotions unless it’s an individual who needs a friend to speak to in comfidwnce and help but this isn’t to influence anyone but to help. SLE people’ turn against him and he doesn’t know why, LSE explode people turn against him and he knows why because he can read their body language

[kingslayer]

So LSE and SLE are a lot alike. The difference between them is what they seek out in a dual. LSE seeks with Ne I can foresee which action are most promising business or relationship wise like long range scope and development along that long range. EII also schedules action by putting it on a calendar and reminding LSE about it in a very undemanding way which is done when something is reminded a few days or a week before so the person remembers and doesn’t rush. This stops LSE from procrastination. Also EII is independent enough where LSE engages in their own activities for a long time and doesn’t need to have stuff done constantly. When EII recognizes emotions it’s almost always to calm someone and give affection. When IEI recognizes emotions they have a wider arsenal of banter and verbal usage. IEI can joke, compliment, calm, soften attitude. I think EII can come off more confrontational because they don’t recognize emotions of others where IEI knows the right time to be of certain attitude to avoid confrontation.IEI is good at asserting loyalty while loyalty in relationships is a given for EII who chooses the relationship. IEI needs courage and endurance. EII needs independence. Ni in IEI foresees negative outcomes of actions “I can see bad things happening “ Fe watches people’s emotional reactions then suggests measures to influence people. EII doesn’t watch people’s moods, emotions unless it’s an individual who needs a friend to speak to in comfidwnce and help but this isn’t to influence anyone but to help. SLE people’ turn against him and he doesn’t know why, LSE explode people turn against him and he knows why because he can read their body language

Thank you for your reply, wow in that description I definitely think I'm LSE. In fact if I'm understanding who SLEs are correctly these people annoy the living shit out of me and usually just avoid me on their end as well. I definitely know when I turn people away, even if I realize it after. Usually it's from being too forceful or argumentative or a bit of a bully to them(by teasing too much, thinking I'm being funny but actually hurting the person's feelings. getting better at this now, keep a good balance in the jokes), then sometimes I feel bad after.

So SLEs can't read body language at all? Cause I'm very good at it. I point things out to my co workers about the people around us from body language that they don't even realize sometimes. Of course this isn't natural I've ready many books and articles on it when I was younger due to an interest in understanding the people around me better .
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could you possibly write out what an ESFP looks for in a partner as well? Just because everyone here was pretty sure I'm Se lead. I could just have a very strong Te. Although LSE is making a lot of sense. Especially since I suspected SLI for myself as well.

[Beautiful sky]

Thank you for your reply, wow in that description I definitely think I'm LSE. In fact if I'm understanding who SLEs are correctly these people annoy the living shit out of me and usually just avoid me on their end as well. I definitely know when I turn people away, even if I realize it after. Usually it's from being too forceful or argumentative or a bit of a bully to them(by teasing too much, thinking I'm being funny but actually hurting the person's feelings. getting better at this now, keep a good balance in the jokes), then sometimes I feel bad after.

So SLEs can't read body language at all? Cause I'm very good at it. I point things out to my co workers about the people around us from body language that they don't even realize sometimes. Of course this isn't natural I've ready many books and articles on it when I was younger due to an interest in understanding the people around me better .
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could you possibly write out what an ESFP looks for in a partner as well? Just because everyone here was pretty sure I'm Se lead. I could just have a very strong Te. Although LSE is making a lot of sense. Especially since I suspected SLI for myself as well.

From the way you speak you come across LSE too like working towards a balance which is kind of Si , the scales harmony.

Also with IEI Ni they look for the right time to act. ESTj are very interesting in this regard which attracts conflict relationships because they can look at the housing market for example and say “it’s not the right time to buy “ - from logic which gives them clues or evidence that the market is inflated and prices are about to go down. As in they look at the prices 5 years ago and what the houses in the area sold for etc. This ties LSE N to more Ne not Ni But Ni is more connected with Se immediate action.

[kingslayer]

One more addition IEI can be procrastinators. Sometimes LSE will ask them to grocery shop and they are not frugal so they’ll buy as they see which upsets LSE who like being economical so the LSE doesn’t want the IEI to ship anymore.

Here’s a story from an IEI friend “As for procrastinating that is typically me; he has historically stepped up in that area. Less now as I am home. But for example, he stopped letting me grocery shop after I tried and was not consistent/buying sale items! I loathe grocery store, he loves it. We have always been flip flopped in terms of traditional roles. I relate better to business people which is men usually, he rather talk small talk that most women (but I do not)”

So how would that affect you?

Also, EII are the opposite of IEI in the shopping department

Well I usually do the shopping because my gf is terrible at it. She takes forever to do it and ends up looking at everything and trying to figure out any extra stuff we need. I wouldn't say she blows money on stupid stuff, but she will definitely leave with more stuff than me. I kinda just know what we need, go in there look for it and get out. Maybe I'll grab another thing or two. I'm not all that frugal though. I can be, but I end up buying foods and steaks that are somewhat over my budget to cook or when I go out to eat my own self. The majority of my money goes to food, when it's not going to bills lol.

SLEs are incredibly good at reading body language.

I have no idea what nonsense is going on here. But that is why I stay away from this site for long periods of time. The utter bullshit of it. Post after post of bullshit.

I'm not stating it as fact, I was just wondering if that's true by re asking it. I still think I relate more to SLE or even SEE with a strong HA, hence why I was confused about the body language bit. Since I am very good at reading it. I can't imagine an SLE being bad either though since they lead with SE.. Isn't that about using your 5 senses to gather info ? Just as sight to body language . I never said it's fact that SLEs cant read body language.

All this is not necessarily SLE. Could be Delta ST as well.

After reading the previous posts I can't really see SLE or Se ego. You seem Si/Ne valuer, probably LSE because you mentioned that you find yourself in leading positions.

Maybe LSE-Si, because the creative subtype often behaves more like their mirror type and so the reason you related to SLI.

Perhaps.. I just really don't see myself being LSE. I'm lazy. I read once a description of Te to my coworkers as lead function and they literally laughed at the idea of me being serious or productive. I think a lot of rules and procedures at my job are stupid as fuck. I'm always making shortcuts that are just within the rules enough that has my coworker frustrated a lot because he says "the policy is this so we need to do it like so" and I'm like yeah but if we do it like this, its quicker, don't have to flow the stupid rule and we still get it done in the same way. First example that comes to mind is we have to stamp each strap of money with the date that the strap is created. However policy states as long as it's within 30 days of the stamp date, it doesn't need to be put in a new money strap and re-stamped. (I work in a bank) So I just stamp all my straps with the same date.. If I have it set to March 28th on the stamp I will stamp it that way until like April 14th then finally change it. It's stupid to change it everyday to me and I always get ink on my hands. Plus we both think a lot of the rules are stupid, including this one. So I tell him why I do it and he responds I agree it's stupid but the rule says this so it doesn't matter just change the date, and I say no so he comes and does it for me sometimes lol. I suspect him of being LSE actually.

From the way you speak you come across LSE too like working towards a balance which is kind of Si , the scales harmony.

Also with IEI Ni they look for the right time to act. ESTj are very interesting in this regard which attracts conflict relationships because they can look at the housing market for example and say “it’s not the right time to buy “ - from logic which gives them clues or evidence that the market is inflated and prices are about to go down. As in they look at the prices 5 years ago and what the houses in the area sold for etc. This ties LSE N to more Ne not Ni But Ni is more connected with Se immediate action.

I look for a balance in the humor because I have hurt lots of people in my past when joking around with them. I've pushed friends away from not realizing I was being "too much" .. So now I try to tone it down. I still act too much sometimes.

To add to why I think I'm Se lead... I can feel peoples volitional pressure. I can literally feel in my gut the people that radiate a lot of presence. Just like I radiate a lot and intimidate people as well. I thoroughly enjoy feeling pumped up and have been told I am coming off way more aggressive than the situation calls for many times. At work, I have built a really close relationship with my boss and work with a give and take leverage relationship with him. He helps me get sales, because he knows I hate sales but am good at it and lets me slack off and in turn I offer him political advice with his superiors and other managers in the company. I also influence him into how to deal with our branch and employees. I have his ear and use it to my complete advantage. Most jobs I've had I always tried to find a manager I can influence into pushing my agendas.. However my agendas are usually what I think is best for the team, and sometimes just me. A lot of this is subconscious to me.. I just naturally flow into influencing people and situations in a professional environment, like it's not really conscious for me. I can feel when something is bothering him so I go talk to him about it trying to uphold our relationship and maintain my influence and other time he flat out asks me what I think he should do. Many customers at my job thought I was the manager, not my boss.

[Beautiful sky]

Well I usually do the shopping because my gf is terrible at it. She takes forever to do it and ends up looking at everything and trying to figure out any extra stuff we need. I wouldn't say she blows money on stupid stuff, but she will definitely leave with more stuff than me. I kinda just know what we need, go in there look for it and get out. Maybe I'll grab another thing or two. I'm not all that frugal though. I can be, but I end up buying foods and steaks that are somewhat over my budget to cook or when I go out to eat my own self. The majority of my money goes to food, when it's not going to bills lol.



I'm not stating it as fact, I was just wondering if that's true by re asking it. I still think I relate more to SLE or even SEE with a strong HA, hence why I was confused about the body language bit. Since I am very good at reading it. I can't imagine an SLE being bad either though since they lead with SE.. Isn't that about using your 5 senses to gather info ? Just as sight to body language . I never said it's fact that SLEs cant read body language.



Perhaps.. I just really don't see myself being LSE. I'm lazy. I read once a description of Te to my coworkers as lead function and they literally laughed at the idea of me being serious or productive. I think a lot of rules and procedures at my job are stupid as fuck. I'm always making shortcuts that are just within the rules enough that has my coworker frustrated a lot because he says "the policy is this so we need to do it like so" and I'm like yeah but if we do it like this, its quicker, don't have to flow the stupid rule and we still get it done in the same way. First example that comes to mind is we have to stamp each strap of money with the date that the strap is created. However policy states as long as it's within 30 days of the stamp date, it doesn't need to be put in a new money strap and re-stamped. (I work in a bank) So I just stamp all my straps with the same date.. If I have it set to March 28th on the stamp I will stamp it that way until like April 14th then finally change it. It's stupid to change it everyday to me and I always get ink on my hands. Plus we both think a lot of the rules are stupid, including this one. So I tell him why I do it and he responds I agree it's stupid but the rule says this so it doesn't matter just change the date, and I say no so he comes and does it for me sometimes lol. I suspect him of being LSE actually.



I look for a balance in the humor because I have hurt lots of people in my past when joking around with them. I've pushed friends away from not realizing I was being "too much" .. So now I try to tone it down. I still act too much sometimes.

To add to why I think I'm Se lead... I can feel peoples volitional pressure. I can literally feel in my gut the people that radiate a lot of presence. Just like I radiate a lot and intimidate people as well. I thoroughly enjoy feeling pumped up and have been told I am coming off way more aggressive than the situation calls for many times. At work, I have built a really close relationship with my boss and work with a give and take leverage relationship with him. He helps me get sales, because he knows I hate sales but am good at it and lets me slack off and in turn I offer him political advice with his superiors and other managers in the company. I also influence him into how to deal with our branch and employees. I have his ear and use it to my complete advantage. Most jobs I've had I always tried to find a manager I can influence into pushing my agendas.. However my agendas are usually what I think is best for the team, and sometimes just me. A lot of this is subconscious to me.. I just naturally flow into influencing people and situations in a professional environment, like it's not really conscious for me. I can feel when something is bothering him so I go talk to him about it trying to uphold our relationship and maintain my influence and other time he flat out asks me what I think he should do. Many customers at my job thought I was the manager, not my boss.

Well you speak a lot about your weaknesses so think about that

[golden]

Thank you for your reply, wow in that description I definitely think I'm LSE. In fact if I'm understanding who SLEs are correctly these people annoy the living shit out of me and usually just avoid me on their end as well. I definitely know when I turn people away, even if I realize it after. Usually it's from being too forceful or argumentative or a bit of a bully to them(by teasing too much, thinking I'm being funny but actually hurting the person's feelings. getting better at this now, keep a good balance in the jokes), then sometimes I feel bad after.

So SLEs can't read body language at all? Cause I'm very good at it. I point things out to my co workers about the people around us from body language that they don't even realize sometimes. Of course this isn't natural I've ready many books and articles on it when I was younger due to an interest in understanding the people around me better .
'

could you possibly write out what an ESFP looks for in a partner as well? Just because everyone here was pretty sure I'm Se lead. I could just have a very strong Te. Although LSE is making a lot of sense. Especially since I suspected SLI for myself as well.

SLEs are incredibly good at reading body language.

I have no idea what nonsense is going on here. But that is why I stay away from this site for long periods of time. The utter bullshit of it. Post after post of bullshit.

[Beautiful sky]

SLEs are incredibly good at reading body language.

I have no idea what nonsense is going on here. But that is why I stay away from this site for long periods of time. The utter bullshit of it. Post after post of bullshit.

Idk I dated both LSE and SLEand I find that LSE are harsh but rush to save the relationship. SLE are not as harsh but also ignore my feelings when I get down, which is exactly what happened to me on my trip to London. My SLE friend hurt my feelings by asking me to retrace every step I took to get back to the house late and when I felt hurt that she asked I went into my room and shut out not speaking to her she didn’t do or say a damn thing. All day. And on top of that this is a 5-7 year friendship that she just doesn’t care about with one action which is me getting back late. I know my other LSE friends would have called and worried would have screamed at me for not picking up the phone and would have forgiven me and resumed the relationship. She doesn’t call doesn’t send an email a text

[golden]

Idk I dated both LSE and SLEand I find that LSE are harsh but rush to save the relationship. SLE are not as harsh but also ignore my feelings when I get down, which is exactly what happened to me on my trip to London. My SLE friend hurt my feelings by asking me to retrace every step I took to get back to the house late and when I felt hurt that she asked I went into my room and shut out not speaking to her she didn’t do or say a damn thing. All day. And on top of that this is a 5-7 year friendship that she just doesn’t care about with one action which is me getting back late. I know my other LSE friends would have called and worried would have screamed at me for not picking up the phone and would have forgiven me and resumed the relationship. She doesn’t call doesn’t send an email a text

Problematically, if you were a different type of person this thing you're describing would never have happened, so it isn't an index to what SLEs are like. It is more like an index to what you are like. I am sorry if that sounds harsh, because I see from how you responded to me that you are not actually trying to be unpleasant and one-sided here. But what you're presenting doesn't sound much like the general character of SLE, and I can only conclude it is some breakdown between you and an SLE. I don't understand how someone would be expected to get help with typing based on something so tilted toward your personal experience.

Yes, all this stuff is shifted by our own own experiences. I grant that. But ... not necessarily this much.

[YXPR]

SLEs are incredibly good at reading body language.

I have no idea what nonsense is going on here. But that is why I stay away from this site for long periods of time. The utter bullshit of it. Post after post of bullshit.

lol