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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
in MBT types descriptions of introverted types are affected by the mistake of wrong functions, which are assigned as for quasi-identity types. in MBT types descriptions only related to dichotomies is useful and to some degree relating to functions in E-types descriptions
that INFJ description is a mix between INFJ and INFP types
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@Aylen
This one
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I agree and also other types. Too many people type as INF who aren't just because they are conceptual and deep. Many types are indeed those very things. Enneagram 4s are likely to type even false type as INF but it is a different way of being than Socionics IE and intertype relation relevant.
Ni Fes create emotional tones and atmospheres over time and are heavily dependent on having their desires met by others, often wishing rather unrealistically.
Ne Fis are extremely image conscious about how they come across yet others see confidence. They focus on giving positive even untouchable impressions whether intentional or not.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
@Beautiful sky
Thanks for posting.
I agree that INFJ/P descriptions are often a mix, in MBTI, of both IEI and EII. Most descriptions are behavioral but so are many socionics descriptions. Those coming from MBTI are probably better off starting fresh.
This site tries to break it down into cognitive functions at least so I am interested in which ones the self typed EII and IEI relate to most here.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I have also found many Socionics descriptions to be likewise mixed for nearly all types.
~* astralsilky
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
Her post compared how she sees IEI (Ni/Fe) and IEE Ne/Fi) so how does that make you type EII? Do you mean you ruled out IEI and IEE? Have you tried any of the socionics tests available and read the different profiles for both types?
https://www.sociotype.com/tests/
http://aimtoknow.com/test_beta
Last resort is go to sol and make video. He will just know if you are EII.
Last edited by Aylen; 02-02-2019 at 08:28 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
It's how I know I'm not Ni Fe and use Fi Ne over Ni Fe. Even though they way she described it the order is different there's still similarities. I took a socinics test and got EII, but the test is so obvious if you know socionics you can literally tell what answers will lead to what type. the descprtions of EII and IEI on the site are a mixture of MBTI INFP/INFJ.
Just reading a little of the inner life of the Ni Fe sounds too fufu, pie in the sky, yoga weird to me.
Fi makes sense to me. Being really adaptable in an environment (as it says in the outer life for INFJ), those moments are rare for me, I'm mostly at odds with ppl as I feel they probably don't share my personal values so I wouldn't get along with them. But when I meet ppl who share my personal values then I change my whole view of the person and see them as someone I can get along with.
Honestly the MBTI descriptions work more for me as I relate almost 100% to the INFP one, and on socionics I relate like 90% to IEI one because it's almost the same as the MBTI INFP description. But the IEI functions no, Ni no, Ne ignoring no, Fi yes, Ne hell yes. Functions > descriptions for me.
People keep trying to say "oh you might be wrong about your type because...." And sure, anybody can be wrong, but at some point you just know, and it's silly to keep considering some other type. I'm at that point, I just know now, it's not arrogance either, it's exhaustion. And after reading just a little of those 2 descriptions it's the SAME OLD THING I've read time and time again, like this isn't new information, and MBTI says alot of the same thing, INFJ descriptions sounding fufu and INFP descriptions sounding like "how tf do they know that about me".
But the function descriptions are the ones that really sell it, singular focus and ideas or whatever are boring to me as I like to swim in the many possibilities and often come up with new ideas based off old ideas the worst thing to do is to kill all those new ideas for just one idea. and Fe's focus on other people is something I see other people do but not myself. I relate more to caring about those that are close than entire groups of ppl. Blah, I'm saying all this to say I know what I am, I've read and looked enough and it all comes out the same. Fi/Ne, whatever type it's called in whatever system, those are my 2 best things I got.
EDIT:
I just read both descriptions fully, I'm 100% confident I am EII/MBTI INFP once again. When I read the INFJ one there were moments where I was like "hm, I didn't know Ni was like that, I didn't know INFJs do that, maybe I'm INFJ." Then I read the INFP one, line after line sounded like my life, so much to the point that I think an INFP wrote that description because it's too informed.
Last edited by Lord Pixel; 02-03-2019 at 07:48 AM.
Ah, yeah, they are called quasi-identical for a reason. Same strong and weak functions. I can also relate to parts of both of those descriptions I posted and a little bit of the INTJ description on that site, first function primarily. I didn't bother reading their INTP.
I don't really relate to socionics descriptions of EII very much, especially by function. Some of the behavior profiles though could also be a blend. I am a dynamic, irrational type which some people think means I am an irrational (dictionary sense) person which might apply at times when I am angry or something. I have seen some people self type EII because they think they are rational (dictionary sense) and take the dichotomy too literal. If irrational is used in a dictionary sense then both types can be irrational or rational. In socionics an EII-Ne I believe is considered to lean toward irrationality which is what my sister is.
I was not questioning your type but those two statements by silky could easily be enneagram related as well and not even high up on the difference scale between the two types, imo. My sister also tested INFP in MBTI but she is clearly an EII. I see EII wishing rather unrealistically quite often and also wanting their needs met by others. Their duals are caregivers after all. I have seen some EII as fluffy bunnies due to the childlike nature of Ne and childlike romance style. Then you have other EII that don't show any Ne. It is like pure Fi 24/7 watching them from a detached point of view. My sister can move between fluffy bunny (when excited about something new) and stone cold Fi .
Lots of people get INFP on their first MBTI test. I didn't realize how many until I paid more attention. Even clearly extroverted types. Hope you didn't feel I singled you out. I started threads like this one before. Never really went anywhere. At least people are starting to admit they relate to both instead of digging in their heels on their type without addressing the similarities and/or contradictions between the systems and the descriptions in both systems. It has never been about retyping others. I am glad Maritsa started this thread.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I can get extremely stubborn and J is sho I’m INFJ and INFj. The description of INFJ that I posted matches me but the description that you posted is vague and doesn’t describe what the functions do. If INFJ extrovert with Fe then aren’t they assentially doing Fe and wouldn’t that make them an Fe vase? This is why so many ESFJ self type as INFJ in mbti forums
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Perhaps you can take a look at this link for more insight into how MBTI is structured. It is just different from what you know of socionics. INFJ is still an introvert in MBTI.
https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/201...dow-functions/
In MBTI the functions for INFJ are:.
I joke around calling the 8th function the demon function here (to shorten demonstrative) but in MBTI Si is the demon function of INFJ but it does not stand for demonstrative.The Difference Between Extraverted and Introverted Intuition
INFJs have strong use of Introverted Intuition, which means they tend to be more single-minded in their focus, connecting all the dots to form one major conclusion or insight. Once they have formed that insight and reflected on it, they hold to it very tightly. This gives the INFJ their characteristic resolve and belief in their revelations. Extraverted Intuitives tend to see many possibilities and insights, and are more frequently changing their mind about them. This makes them more open-minded, but while the INFJ is at risk of being called stubborn, the Extraverted Intuitive is at risk of never settling on a clear conclusion.
The INFJ uses Extraverted Intuition (Ne) in a largely unconscious way. They respect it and are intrigued by it, but consciously have a hard time controlling it. If someone challenges one of their Ni insights or their core revelations, the Opposing Role may come into play and the INFJ may use Extraverted Intuition in a confused, haphazard way to try to confirm their Ni beliefs. While INFJs can enjoy brainstorming and thinking about numerous possibilities, much like Ne users can, they can become overwhelmed if these Ne possibilities cause them to doubt their Ni visions or take them out of their preferred focus. This can lead them to lash out and become angry and belligerent with whoever or whatever is causing this stress and confusion.
Because INFJs respect Extraverted Intuition, they can become quickly angered and frustrated by people who refuse to see things from multiple angles or are unwilling to modify their beliefs when shown a new possibility. However, INFJs can also be stubborn and unwilling to change their views, so their use of the Opposing Role in arguments can seem hypocritical or out of synch to onlookers.
You can see how it is structured differently just through these quotes so keep it in mind, I guess. If you go to an MBTI forum and say you are are INFJ they will type you Ni/Fe if they take your word for it. Some will fight you on it and retype you INFP.Demon
The demon is the most suppressed area of your unconscious personality. This function is how you will take in information when you are at your very worst and most destructive; when your ego is severely threatened and at risk of obliteration. People who are regularly confronting their Demon are at risk of great mental anguish and have probably reached a real breaking point.
The INFJs Demon function is Introverted Sensing. This means out of all the eight cognitive functions, this is the one they have the least conscious control over.
What Is Introverted Sensing (Si)?
Introverted Sensing (Si) is the storing and recall of past data and experiences. Introverted Sensors usually have an excellent memory for details, and can look on the past with fondness and appreciation. They look at what has worked well in the past, what is the “tried and true” method, and try to apply it to the present moment. Si users recollect information thoroughly and can easily tell if something doesn’t match up with a past experience. They are quick to see inconsistencies, to notice changes, and to spot abnormalities. When a Si-user experiences something in real time, they quickly compare it to something they’ve experienced in the past to see if it matches up. Si users are also usually very aware of their body’s needs and feelings. They are aware of internal sensations, like whether they are hungry or whether they are in pain.
How INFJs Use Introverted Sensing
Because Introverted Sensing is the INFJs Demon, it normally reflects itself in very negative ways. The INFJ can often be haunted by the past and skeptical of it. They see only what was negative about the past, only what traumatized them, only the mistakes they made. They may only see the mistakes and failures of others as well. They will pinpoint all their mistakes and failures as signs that they will never be anything but a disappointment or a failure. They may become immersed in their past trauma or regrets and unable to get out. When in the realm of the Demon function, the INFJ can also become completely incapable of holding onto any details accurately and may distort past details to fulfill their vision of failure and hopelessness.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
the very first sentence fits this to a T
EII's persistence, stubbornness
Sorry for everyone here who doesn't find my seriousness funny. Yes I can get involved and dedicated to typing if that's what I'm doing at the moment. It's just my style. Roll with it!
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
But then I take MBTI tests like this and get INFJ
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
and this description couldn't be more spot on
The Advocate personality type is very rare, making up less than one percent of the population, but they nonetheless leave their mark on the world. Advocates have an inborn sense of idealism and morality, but what sets them apart is that they are not idle dreamers, but people capable of taking concrete steps to realize their goals and make a lasting positive impact. They tend to see helping others as their purpose in life, but while people with this personality type can be found engaging rescue efforts and doing charity work, their real passion is to get to the heart of the issue so that people need not be rescued at all.
Advocates indeed share a unique combination of traits: though soft-spoken, they have very strong opinions and will fight tirelessly for an idea they believe in. They are decisive and strong-willed, but will rarely use that energy for personal gain – Advocates will act with creativity, imagination, conviction and sensitivity not to create advantage, but to create balance. Egalitarianism and karma are very attractive ideas to Advocate personalities, and they tend to believe that nothing would help the world so much as using love and compassion to soften the hearts of tyrants.
Live to Fight Another Day
Really though, it is most important for people with the Advocate personality type to remember to take care of themselves. The passion of their convictions is perfectly capable of carrying them past their breaking point and if their zeal gets out of hand, they can find themselves exhausted, unhealthy and stressed.
This becomes especially apparent when Advocates find themselves up against conflict and criticism – their sensitivity forces these personalities to do everything they can to evade these seemingly personal attacks, but when the circumstances are unavoidable, they can fight back in highly irrational, unhelpful ways.
To Advocates, the world is a place full of inequity – but it doesn’t have to be. No other personality type is better suited to create a movement to right a wrong, no matter how big or small. Advocates just need to remember that while they’re busy taking care of the world, they need to take care of themselves, too.
Creative – Combining a vivid imagination with a strong sense of compassion, Advocates use their creativity to resolve not technical challenges, but human ones. People with the Advocate personality type enjoy finding the perfect solution for someone they care about, and this strength makes them excellent counselors and advisors.
Insightful – Seeing through dishonesty and disingenuous motives, Advocates step past manipulation and sales tactics and into a more honest discussion. Advocate personalities see how people and events are connected, and are able to use that insight to get to the heart of the matter.
Inspiring and Convincing – Speaking in human terms, not technical, Advocates have a fluid, inspirational writing style that appeals to the inner idealist in their audience. Advocates can even be astonishingly good orators, speaking with warmth and passion, if they are proud of what they are speaking for.
Decisive – Their creativity, insight and inspiration are able to have a real impact on the world, as Advocates are able to follow through on their ideas with conviction, willpower, and the planning necessary to see complex projects through to the end. People with the Advocate personality type don’t just see the way things ought to be, they act on those insights.
Determined and Passionate – When Advocates come to believe that something is important, they pursue that goal with a conviction and energy that can catch even their friends and loved ones off guard. Advocates will rock the boat if they have to, something not everyone likes to see, but their passion for their chosen cause is an inseparable part of their personality.
Altruistic – These strengths are used for good. Advocates have strong beliefs and take the actions that they do not because they are trying to advance themselves, but because they are trying to advance an idea that they truly believe will make the world a better place.
Sensitive – When someone challenges or criticizes Advocates’ principles or values, they are likely to receive an alarmingly strong response. People with the Advocate personality type are highly vulnerable to criticism and conflict, and questioning their motives is the quickest way to their bad side.
Extremely Private – Advocates tend to present themselves as the culmination of an idea. This is partly because they believe in this idea, but also because Advocates are extremely private when it comes to their personal lives, using this image to keep themselves from having to truly open up, even to close friends. Trusting a new friend can be even more challenging for Advocates.
Perfectionistic – Advocate personalities are all but defined by their pursuit of ideals. While this is a wonderful quality in many ways, an ideal situation is not always possible – in politics, in business, in romance – and Advocates, especially Turbulent ones, too often drop or ignore healthy and productive situations and relationships, always believing there might be a better option down the road.
Always Need to Have a Cause – Advocate personalities get so caught up in the passion of their pursuits that any of the cumbersome administrative or maintenance work that comes between them and the ideal they see on the horizon is deeply unwelcome. Advocates like to know that they are taking concrete steps towards their goals, and if routine tasks feel like they are getting in the way, or worse yet, there is no goal at all, they will feel restless and disappointed.
Can Burn Out Easily – Their passion, poor patience for routine maintenance, tendency to present themselves as an ideal, and extreme privacy tend to leave Advocates with few options for letting off steam. People with this personality type are likely to exhaust themselves in short order if they don’t find a way to balance their ideals with the realities of day-to-day living.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This is the INFP description from that site and this is more me than the EII socionics description.
Mediator personalities are true idealists, always looking for the hint of good in even the worst of people and events, searching for ways to make things better. While they may be perceived as calm, reserved, or even shy, Mediators have an inner flame and passion that can truly shine. Comprising just 4% of the population, the risk of feeling misunderstood is unfortunately high for the Mediator personality type – but when they find like-minded people to spend their time with, the harmony they feel will be a fountain of joy and inspiration.
Being a part of the Diplomat Role group, Mediators are guided by their principles, rather than by logic (Analysts), excitement (Explorers), or practicality (Sentinels). When deciding how to move forward, they will look to honor, beauty, morality and virtue – Mediators are led by the purity of their intent, not rewards and punishments. People who share the Mediator personality type are proud of this quality, and rightly so, but not everyone understands the drive behind these feelings, and it can lead to isolation.
At their best, these qualities enable Mediators to communicate deeply with others, easily speaking in metaphors and parables, and understanding and creating symbols to share their ideas. Fantasy worlds in particular fascinate Mediators, more than any other personality type. The strength of their visionary communication style lends itself well to creative works, and it comes as no surprise that many famous Mediators are poets, writers and actors. Understanding themselves and their place in the world is important to Mediators, and they explore these ideas by projecting themselves into their work.
Mediators’ ability with language doesn’t stop with their native tongue, either – as with most people who share the Diplomat personality types, they are considered gifted when it comes to learning a second (or third!) language. Their gift for communication also lends itself well to Mediators’ desire for harmony, a recurring theme with Diplomats, and helps them to move forward as they find their calling.
Unlike their Extraverted cousins though, Mediators will focus their attention on just a few people, a single worthy cause – spread too thinly, they’ll run out of energy, and even become dejected and overwhelmed by all the bad in the world that they can’t fix. This is a sad sight for Mediators’ friends, who will come to depend on their rosy outlook.
If they are not careful, Mediators can lose themselves in their quest for good and neglect the day-to-day upkeep that life demands. Mediators often drift into deep thought, enjoying contemplating the hypothetical and the philosophical more than any other personality type. Left unchecked, Mediators may start to lose touch, withdrawing into “hermit mode”, and it can take a great deal of energy from their friends or partner to bring them back to the real world.
Luckily, like the flowers in spring, Mediator’s affection, creativity, altruism and idealism will always come back, rewarding them and those they love perhaps not with logic and utility, but with a world view that inspires compassion, kindness and beauty wherever they go.
That description fits me because I look to helping others but I put myself in serious harms way emotionally, physically financially.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I'm not sure I put myself in harms way emotional physically or financially for others. There are times where I should be more other's focused as I am not very altruistic.
Which do you relate to more
A. You are a very romantic person and have an excellent imagination. You appreciate beauty in both art and life. Your creative nature cannot stand greyness and regularity. You always bring an element of elegance and originality to any situation. You understand others moods and dispositions well and will often use your good sense of humour to uplift friends and family. You posses a rich variety of emotions and you can apply it to many situations. You depend greatly on your emotions to guide you. Sometimes you show great feeling for people and may often idealise others. Wherever you go you often create an atmosphere of elation and optimism.
You have a tendency to be led by lofty aspirations to an easy life. You often complain about your emotional and physical state. Eventually you can cause people to tire of you and even doubt your honesty concerning your well being. Sometimes you waste lots of time on small talk and fruitless dreaming instead of realistic activity. You have difficulty forcing yourself to do uninteresting, everyday chores, especially if finances and household economy are involved. You often cannot resist buying something that catches your eye sometimes causing you to exceed your budget.
Or B. Your strongest virtue is a very good understanding of other people's real feelings and relationships. You aspire to attain warm and friendly relations with others. You cannot stand rudeness and violence. You are delicate, kind and full of attention to others. You try to show your compassion for others with actions as well as with words. Your understanding of people and life experiences always help you to find your place in society. You are prepared to spend time, energy and effort helping people with real needs. Your aim is to create peaceful, harmonious, conflict free surroundings, in which others feel comfortable expressing their talents. You are an effective counsellor and peacemaker. You forgive others for negative behaviour, instead appealing to people's conscience where ethical situations are concerned.
You over-analyse everything that concerns you or your surroundings. The results of this are often not so satisfying, leaving you feeling depressed and pessimistic, especially if this envelops unethical behaviour in others. Your sense of compassion is often stronger than your sense of justice. You often lack resolution, initiative and the ability to firmly make your point. You are afraid to appear interfering and your modesty could be over the top. You often hesitate to react to provocation, preferring to bottle your feelings inside. You are often squeamish and punctilious. You pay too much attention to details and quality in your work.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Have you ever seen video of her? I think the change is very low. In a way these xNFj types have quite bit similar style. Constructive F bases with creative intuition.
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I’m not a leader and mentor as EIE are and I don’t care for having an eye on that. I’m happy being the role of the mother and friend to my husband.
Also this thread is a good example of how Ni in beta works you should read it before spewing out type suggestions without understanding of what functions mean
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...=1#post1329489
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAkzRoiDjg
I drift in my thoughts when I speak and I’m not often able to speak well and outright fluidly
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 05-06-2019 at 06:11 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I’m a positivities
I recalled Golden, who is EIE, making a statement in the chat box saying how she was contributing to useless pool of information. I thought to myself I never think of it like that. I offer information because who knows someone out there can use it and it was meant to be that they were there at the right time to receive it.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I went through a socionics VI binge last night, from what I gathered out of watching hours of videos of people typed "officially" ( I know.. I know..), she VIs like a S(i).
(also the whole video is filled with Si: her physical impressions)
@Number 9 you were right boy
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Therefore, the main thing - do not obstruct their actions to live and move forward and upward to new frontiers, to rise to new levels, new limits and overcoming obstacles, raising the bar for all requirements, including for myself. Because each new level to match. And you will not fit, do not have time to blink an eye, as again find yourself at the "bottom" of those who "humbly groveling, allowing himself more and more closely." And doing well at it. To be back there and hear: "From out of our environment, and our back. Sit quietly and now about any flights not dream!" Nothing worse than he imagined not. Better to eagle with folded wings, stone fall down.
Out vertically, without hierarchy, without swift flight up, up, to the sun, the existence of Hamlet himself is not. Habitat, so, too, should be appropriate, "high." "Who's on top of the cedar had nested, the one with the sun and wind are not afraid" - as Shakespeare said (EIE) - a great connoisseur heartstrings of this psycho.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
“It is wrong for a young person to snap the seat designated for the elderly”
Fi – Program function. Introverted ethics in first function designate a person for whom the main orientation in life is making judgments about good and evil, morals and depravity, decency and dihonorableness. EII very acutely feels the general trends and standards of behavior which prevail in a society or a social group. She is usually mindful of these norms in order to not be insulting to other people. When she first joins a new group, she holds herself back and behaves tactfully conforming to established norms, meanwhile observing and assessing the psychological atmosphere. Once she has absorbed the existing atmosphere, only then she considers becoming a full-fledged member of the community and establishing her influence in regards to its psychological atmosphere.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
A. You are a very romantic person and have an excellent imagination. You appreciate beauty in both art and life. Your creative nature cannot stand greyness and regularity. You always bring an element of elegance and originality to any situation. You understand others moods and dispositions well and willoften (can) use your good sense of humour to uplift friends and family. You posses a rich variety of emotions and you can apply it to many situations. You depend greatly on your emotions to guide you. Sometimes you show great feeling for people and may often idealise others. Wherever you go you often create an atmosphere of elation and optimism.
You have a tendency to be led by lofty aspirations to an easy life. You often complain about your emotional and physical state. Eventually you can cause people to tire of you and even doubt your honesty concerning your well being. Sometimes you waste lots of time on small talk and fruitless dreaming instead of realistic activity. You have difficulty forcing yourself to do uninteresting, everyday chores, especially if finances and household economy are involved. You often cannot resist buying something that catches your eye sometimes causing you to exceed your budget.
B. Your strongest virtue is a very good understanding of other people's real feelings and relationships. You aspire to attain warm and friendly relations with others. You cannot stand rudeness and violence. You are delicate, kind and full of attention to others. You try to show your compassion for others with actions as well as with words. Your understanding of people and life experiences always help you to find your place in society. You are prepared to spend time, energy and effort helping people with real needs. Your aim is to create peaceful, harmonious, conflict free surroundings, in which others feel comfortable expressing their talents. You are an effective counsellor and peacemaker. You forgive others for negative behaviour, instead appealing to people's conscience where ethical situations are concerned.
You over-analyse everything that concerns you or your surroundings. The results of this are often not so satisfying, leaving you feeling depressed and pessimistic, especially if this envelops unethical behaviour in others. Your sense of compassion is often stronger than your sense of justice. You often lack resolution, initiative and the ability to firmly make your point. You are afraid to appear interfering and your modesty could be over the top. You often hesitate to react to provocation, preferring to bottle your feelings inside. You are often squeamish and punctilious. You pay too much attention to details and quality in your work.
Everything in red I relate to.
All this helping other people is life's purpose I do not relate to, like I do not go out of my way to help other's. My life's purpose is not to help other's my life's purpose is more so to make my dreams become reality. My dreams being creating something creative enough to be called art and be something considered worthy of praise like an all time classic movie or book.
I'm not SJW I don't care about causes and things that do not have to do directly with me or people I know. Sometimes I feel bad about that but only sometimes. Like poverty in other countries, do I think it's sad, yes, but what can I do about it? Not much, so it's not a daily concern of mine even though it's sad that it exists.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
INFP or INFp? Cuz I agree A is INFP. Problem is both of these descriptions are a mixture of INFP and INFJ in MBTI. You got all the Fe attention on other's in B but the bottled up emotions in B as well (while also showing compassion with actions and words)
and all the Ne silliness and daydreaminess in A.
Like I don't experience Fi as this help the world thing, I experience Fi as "Who am I? What do I want? What do I personally care about? What is important to me?" thing. Fe to me is the "I have to help other's and save other's so much that sometimes I forget about myself and how I feel." function. I don't know how Fi can forget about itself and get lost in helping other's, maaaaaybe other's they really really care about, or causes they really really care about. But I can't see it out of them being a saint because they have this super huge empathy for the world.
Ne for me also is wordplay and pun humor and creates fake scenarios in my mind that idealize people and constantly daydreaming of ideas instead of acting on them. Seeing connections between unrelated objects, like a cat and a dog = cog, and then the phrase " A cog in the wheel" so a cog (cat/dog thing) running in a hamster wheel, it's just a cog in the wheel. That's Ne in a nutshell for me. < @Troll Nr 007 Do you think that's Ne?
While Ni to me is some nebulous confusion that usually doesn't make sense to me when people try and explain it. When I use it though it's more like me just giving people a warning of the most obvious thing that lies ahead. Friend says "Hey let's ask Joe to go to this concert" and I say "Joe will say no because he doesn't like that band." It's usually me asking someone "What do you think's gonna happen?" implying that the answer is obvious. These series of events usually lead to this conclusion. That's my experience with Ni.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
A few things that I noted about INFjs:
. aloof in an Oprah sort of way
. often seem to preach rather than truly communicate,
. most all seem to have one or more causes
. many seem to be seeking some form of nirvana
. usually highly organized - most all had very arranged homes/offices
. things they collected were normally tasteful and seemed to have meaning for them
. all exhibited a formal politeness up until someone wasn't polite (an indignant INFj can be intimidating)
. although diplomatic, they were usually direct and liked directness
. couldn't tell them from INTj until they spoke
. embarrassed after they'd lost control
. moody and could purposefully cut people down
. need their independence and space
. never met a deceitful one although I'm sure they must exist
a.k.a. I/O
I know you were trying to sort of get me to choose between the 2. And I'm saying these descriptions are a mixture of MBTI INFP and INFJ so I relate to both because I mostly relate to MBTI INFP anyway.
Function wise tho I do not relate to Ni first, Ne ignoring, Fe, And Se suggestive.
. aloof in an Oprah sort of way
. often seem to preach rather than truly communicate,
. most all seem to have one or more causes
. many seem to be seeking some form of nirvana
. usually highly organized - most all had very arranged homes/offices
. things they collected were normally tasteful and seemed to have meaning for them
. all exhibited a formal politeness up until someone wasn't polite (an indignant INFj can be intimidating)
. although diplomatic, they were usually direct and liked directness
. couldn't tell them from INTj until they spoke
. embarrassed after they'd lost control
. moody and could purposefully cut people down
. need their independence and space
. never met a deceitful one although I'm sure they must exist
That's all I got.
My Ne is way too all over the place to be super organized, I try but I can never maintain it unless I create some easy way to.
Nirvana sounds weird af to me, I don't like things like nirvana and yoga and chakra and woo woo things.
Embarassed after they lost control of what, I am embarassed easily but mostly because I said something stupid or someone caught me saying something stupid.
Not the best at cutting ppl down, and only ever have done it after someone has cut me down too much, the until someone isn't polite thing.
Also wish I was more direct.